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I think marijuana puts a person's mind into a relaxed state. So many people nowadays are multi-tasking and overly concerned about being productive 24/7. They can use this to give their brain a vacation, maybe to relax and read a book, enjoy some art, etc.. That's why some call it mind-expanding.
I have smoked for 30 years and I have kept the same job the last 18 years, I dont call in sick or come to work late, I make good money, I raised my kids to be respectful and to get the best education they can get, Now remember i smoke weed everyday, Thats an independent study
Here's an independent study: Check out your short term memory loss in your 60's. You'll probably be working at McDonald's - IF you can keep the pace up!
Short term memory declines after age 40 as an age related phenomenon. It doesn't have anything to do with pot. Even people who don't smoke pot experience age related short term memory decline.
However, what you don't see in pot smokers is Korsakoff's Syndrome; a well known consequence of chronic alcohol ingestion. Complete and total dementia.
We don't allow children to do adult things. This is just common sense.
Probably not, since people of low intelligence use chemicals anyway.
God only knows what Sarah Palin is taking then. Sniffing glue maybe?
Pot is not a chemical. It is a naturally occuring substance.
So is arsenic and lead. Also good for the brain?
This study was bogus. The ONLY way you can properly judge the effects, is to study a control group who all live the exact same life, same education, same home lives, same everything. Even the same food. With one half smoking pot, and the other half not smoking, being the only difference. And the half that smokes, need to all smoke the same amount at the same times.
And not everyone is the same anyway. There will be natural differences that are normal between people. We are not all the same. So even the results of a control group like I explained above, would need to be taken with a grain of salt. 100's of Millions of functioning working people smoke pot, many for 40-50 years and longer, with no discernible effects at all. Marijuana is not harmful by any reasonable standard. The bakery sells more harmful stuff. I mean that.
Besides, no one advocates letting kids smoke pot anyway.
That would be only if you were attempting to imply causation, not correlation.
Well, maybe pot DOES lower your IQ. Fortunately, with pot, you don't care. For that matter, I believe many stupid people are happier than smart people - my neighbors appear to be!
This is irresponsible writing. Nothing here but propaganda to shed bad image on Cannabis.
There are any number of reasons for a bad I.Q.
I took an IQ test at 14 and scored 135. I took another one at 55 and scored 135. I smoked my first joint at 18.
Thanks for the laugh. I needed it. Ha ha!!!
Wow dad inAZ... full of insight, aren't you?
Two notes;
1) As a quant analyst, this study really bugs me. It's obviously a case of selection bias; it's NOT simply economic conditions and family life, it's the fact that people living under those conditions have a much higher predisposition to choosing to engage in drug use in the first place. The causation still stems from the drug use. Let's think a little harder in determining the model and funtional relationships in these so-called "ground-breaking" studies.
2) The people in this thread who are claiming that marijuana use has enhanced their intelligence are fooling themselves. It may remove some inhibitions that constrain "risk-taking" in thought, but it does not enhance ability to perceive. It reduces the "cost of thought" while it decreases your gross capacity; the net effect is the real question.
This study did not use the scientific method, and therefore cannot be used to determine cause and effect. It can only be used to indicate a correlation. And correlation has been shown, in any number of studies, to poverty and family functioning in non-pot smoking individuals.
Perhaps you missed the point of participants being selected at the age of 7 and then followed longitudinally. No where did it state that all participants fell into a lower SES category. There was no selection bias.
Have any cognitive psychological studies to back up that assumption? Economic theory applied to cognitive function never holds true in acuality.
whether you're stupid to begin with or whether pot makes you stupid, stoners are usually dumb people with no ambition....whoaa maaaaaan, pass the bong dude
the dumbing of America continues....coming to a state near you
You got that right!
You seen it in a movie right? So it must be true....
You will be surprise to know that many bright scientists and proffessionals smoke. The problem is that it is illegal and you can get arrested by saying that you do. That is called oppression. Believe stupid is as stupid do, and even more stupid are those giving their oppinion without any information.
@love
It is not, and has never been, an arrestable offense to admit to marijuana use. Not even close.
I don't know if it actually lowers your IQ, but I can tell you that I have seen some people go from fairly smart kids in school to complete morons after years of smoking weed.
Of course, you don't think the fluoride in their drinking water would have any influence, or preservatives and flavor enhancers in their food, right(?).
Correlation does not imply causation. And that is exactly what a review of the study states. There are numerous other factors that could be responsible for the differences seen.
So they believe pot lowers a persons I.Q.First, theres no known proof of it, second theres no proof of it, and third theres no proof of it. Uh...what was i talking about?
HUH???What????Lowers IQ?Makes you lazy and dumb?
I SAY THEE NAY!!!
personal experience of a responsibility whore,workaholic at times,custodial father,business's owner of,and doing all this as hard as I worked and parented I smoked tons of Pot,smoked a lot when I was a teenager also.Always had to work for myself because I couldn't pass one of your idiot drug tests.If not for not being able to pass a drug test because of smoking Marijuana I would have applied to the Police Academy.
Older and retired now so all that is in the past 40 years.
Now I sit on my ass and as lazy as could be and smoke my Pot and sip my Jack Daniels and Coca-Cola.
Writing a proper sentence would be nice. I guess most pot smokers just "think" they are fine. Non pot smokers "know" the pot-heads are a mess! It is similar to crazy people not knowing they are crazy! My sympathies to your kids!
Lol... and your proof is....?
We watch you and laugh! Or cry when it is someone we care about and love.
So specific and scientific. Try again?
Your questions are scientific? You really ARE funny! LOL, LOL, LOL!
No, And I did not claim as such. But I asked you for proof. Proof implies some sort of study or specificity. Are you going to troll or add to the discussion?
I'd worry more about the effects of the Jack and Coke on all of your organs than the pot.
Hmm, I wonder how many of the commenters here besides ME have been a Senior Consultant Psychiatrist working in the New Zealand Health Care System with Maoris? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?
They smoke hydroponically grown MJ with an obscene percentage of THC. It leads to cognitive slowing and psychosis in vulnerable individuals, as well as severe temper dyscontrol. That's the Fact, Jack.
No doubt here! However, the dope-heads don't care. They just want to be drugged out. That's their choice. My serious sympathies to their children.
I read a High Times artical once about a guy that was in a Gov study on the effects of weed. They had to take Marinol, a weed derivative in pill form, and smoke as many joints as they wanted a day. He quit before the end of the program without being paid. He found out the study was to find out how much weed it took to make people sick....
It seems to me this is a study by a preson who is a pothead and just wants to make it legal.
At any rate, this nation is full od idiots anyway. We don't do anything in this country anymore, everyone just want's to sit around, get high, and collect wellfair.
Leading productive, positive lives does not seem to be the order of the day for the majority. That's for sure!
They do say that the majority of people live in silent misery. I guess that is true. They can all dope out or alcohol out, I guess. I just feel very sorry for the children of these people.
I'm 62 and would occasionally smoke if it was legal. The thought of getting caught is enough to make me stay away from it for now. I hope it is legalized before I die!
Its not illegal to smoke it... if the coppers come around, just smoke it up quick ;-)
Mandy is so full of great advice. I'll bet you are a kid or very young adult. You use stupidity and state it as knowing so much. You pretend to be confident. You are actually stupid and cocky. Big difference. Big falls ahead for you Mandy!
Ever heard of a joke, You know it was marked with a winky face.
However, you make such drastic claims without knowing me. Congrats on your amazing intuition! /s
You're a laugh a minute, Mandy!
So please. Tell me about my stupidity. Would you care to venture a guess at my IQ, ACT scores, current grades, etc?
LOL. Like I would believe your little stories about your intelligence on an internet post. LOL, LOL, LOL.
I will gladly send you my transcripts :-) You would just hate to have your prejudices come crumbling down, wouldn't you?
Oooooooo.....I'm scared!
APR is a troll, ignore him as in /ignore.
LOL - but geebus is something special! LOL!
Not if the people Paying for the study is the "Pot Growers of America Coallition to be High " and the group doing the research are all pot growers and everyday Users...It that case ..We come to find out it makes people geniuses !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have zero regrets about being a cannabis consumer for forty years. The quality is so good these days, smoking a joint is a waste. My take on cannabis is as follows - picture an old tv with 'rabbit ears'. When the picture wasn't clear, you adjusted the rabbit ears. When you want to bring life into focus, cannabis can be useful. On more than one occasion mental paralysis has blocked my work on a programming problem. A toke or two later, the ideal solution is obvious.
Whats the chances that I made it thru the 60s, seventies, 80s and now well into the 21st century.........Now during these times I pursued many avenues of leaving reality...Now Im am a responsible old duff living in reality......9/11, global warming,gas prices, collapse of the economy in nov 2008 and whatever else is on the way...Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh if I only had a time machine........would never have gottten past the 80.s Matter of fact, would have gone to THROTTLE UP and left like the shuttle crew.....
why do you think they call it dope?
check out any number of Middle Eastern or South American countries.
I went around the world in the 1960's following the hashish trail and all I saw was stupid retarded countries. Afghanistan, Iraq, Lebanon and Morocco being the dumbest!
Try Mexico, Columbia, Panama, Peru and Ecuador in this Hemisphere.
And the idiots want to bring it here and legalize it.
It has always been here. The idiots made it illegal so they could squeeze more profit from less effective resources, thereby inducing a built in planned obsolescence. Levis, with a hemp based denim last for years whereas cotton based denim may last months. Wood pulp paper products turn yellow in weeks but hemp based paper lasts decades. It's all about the money, NOBama2012. BTW, it's 2013 now and time to get off the campaign trail.
go phuck yourself idiot
Oh, gee, look! An "intelligent" comment from the non-pot smoker^^^ LMAO
It made me realize how funny Pancho Villa looks without his shirt.
We are all so proud of you! I hope you don't have children. Just another way to destroy America.
People with a high IQ do not smoke dope.
Beg to differ.
LOL. Your posts are not intelligent, Mandy! Don't pretend you are a smart dope-head. You cannot even compare to actually intelligent people.
And what claims can you make about my intelligence?
How about my standing in school? Can you infer that?
How about my jobs? Can you determine from my posts my work ethic or intelligence at my jobs?
Defend all you want. Say all you want. I wouldn't believe your "stories" about how smart you are on an internet post anyway. But, defend away! You obviously are very sure that you are the be-all-and-end all of the blessings of pot. I don't care. I know where you will end up. Enjoy your pot and alcohol all you want. I don't care. Just don't like it when people who know not what they speak about speak as a "know-it-all". Your arrogance shows an extremely low emotional IQ. Intelligence IQ means nothing without emotional IQ.
Of course you won't believe it. Because you can't possibly believe that someone who smokes pot could possibly be have been in TAG all through school, couldn't possible have a successful career, or be getting a 4.0 and in good standing with a graduate school.
And really... you're talking about me being arrogant when you wont even back up your lame attempts at claims?
Name your source for that propaganda, NOOB.
Mandy, don't feed the troll. He has nothing better to do in his life than troll any comment section about marijuana to insult people and call them names. Those are the only tools he is equiped to use that will bring some semblance of meaning to his life.
LMAO! And you think you can be the judge of someones intelligence?
If you doubt that smoking pot lowers IQ's, watch Jerry Sprnger tomrrow!
Oh! Jerry Springer! Now, there's a Harvard grad!/sarc. Great credentials there, NOOB.
LOL. His guests don't smoke weed. They smoke meth.
The question shouldn't be, "Does marijuana lower IQ's in people?" because it's an off based ground to fight the total legalization... the question shoud be "What lowers IQ more... Pot or Alcohol?" I believe we ALL know the answer to that.
Do you honestly believe alcohol will ever be illegal? So, it's unfair to judge in this capacity. I bet cigarette smoking lowers IQ or why else would anyone be stupid enough to smoke???! Get out of our life, government. We were born free, supposedly. The government is TOO involved in our lives.
As an ex-pothead, I can attest that smoking pot makes people slow and stupid. It is highly addictive and can easily become a habit. If not, people would not fight to make it legal. They are dependent on it for feeling, soothing, etc.
Eggs Actly!
Non pot-heads know it. Pot-heads won't believe it. Sad! Look at where our country is headed. My sympathies to the pot-head's children.
Funny... I have been smoking for about 4 years now, but I regularly go weeks or months without. No problem. And I still get plenty of work done and meet all of my deadlines, even during a period when I am smoking.
Sounds like a personal problem you had, there dude
Hide and watch, Mandy! Only stupid people don't listen to others with wisdom. Enjoy being a pot-head. No one else really cares how dumb you end up being.
Funny... No one else really cares about your opinions APR. And funny how you talk about my "dumb posts" its not like you are adding much to the discussion other than lame attempts to insult.
And funny how smoking occasionally makes you a pot-head, but drinking occasionally doesn't make you an alcoholic
I don't do either, Mandy. I care about having a clear head. I relax on my own and I work hard on my own. If you can't do both on your own without drugs or alcohol, then you aren't being your true self.
aww well that is precious. I'm sure you enjoy knocking down people you know for having a beer or two as well?
No, I don't knock any of them. I knock people like you who are so arrogant that you tell all how wonderful pot is. I don't disassociate with others for what they do, but I won't sit around with them while they extol the wonders of pot or alcohol to others. Their choice, but do it with your eyes open. Don't pretend this isn't harming you and extolling the virtues of it can and will harm kids!
My adult friends can do what they want. But, in my presence, they won't be "selling" anyone on it. My friends, however, are not drunks or dope-heads. I prefer clear-headed people. A drink or two at a party, fine. But, I don't make friends with drunks or dope-heads.
We have kids, grandkids, and run businesses. We don't play the dope-head games or drunk games. We don't feel a need to "escape" our lives. We live them.
Want to point to me where I said that pot is wonderful?
So... do you knock them for saying that drinking is wonderful?
And I'm not sure how my pot smoking harms kids. Care to explain that one? Oh wait... You wont. Just like all of your other BS.
You are on the internet telling how great pot is. Who do you think reads this? No kids on here, right?
Read and comprehend. I told you that I would not allow anyone to tell how wonderful alcohol or pot is. If they want a drink fine. If they smoke pot fine. But, I will not stand by and watch others try to get others involved. However, as I told you, my friends are true adults and would never do such a thing.
So why not keep your smartness away from me and let me continue to smoke??? Genius
Well you're not doing a very good job of stopping people. Why should they listen to you?
You probably should kick back and hit a doobie a couple of times. It will do wonders for the tendency to over react to insignificant things and your control issues.