Seed companies sell...wait for it...GMO seeds. It takes some effort to find natural seeds.

It takes about two minutes to access organic heritage seed catalogs on the internet, and if you are really persistent, perhaps two more to find organic heritage seed exchanges.

How important is one's health? Worth four or five minutes?

BTW, I believe this particular study was absolutely discredited within a couple of days of its release. I don't have the information in front of me at this time but it was widely available through many of the Medical Marijuana proponent websites.

Fat Tony and kathy - that's fine, if you happen to have land.

OBAMA Bootlicks Mexicans - How many news articles are there about men getting high on a Saturday night and beating or killingtheir wives/kids/girlfriends? You know, like we read about with ALCOHOL?

Where did you get your info on this crap list,people's magazine? I don't believe Cheech Marian ever spoked.Or Al Gore,except when he was inventing the internet and poising for the main character in whatever that book was suppose to be about he and his wife(his claim).

Dad - "thousands are murdered over pot"?!! What are YOU smoking?

I think Dad is an angry drunk. Or a misinformed Faux News viewer.

Smoking dope is about peace. Chilling out watching movies and Taco Bell.

When me & my wife smoke weed. We make love or sometimes have the really dirty fun kind three input sex.

Gee DadInAz same bullhockey I hear again and again. So alcohol is a drug that has caused way more death and destruction to people than pot ever did. Shouldn't we outlaw alcohol again?

See the problem with the illegalization of marijuana is that the reasons for it was a bald faced lie perpetrated by Henry Aslinger and William Randolph Hearst. Hearst wanted to put a stop to the growing Hemp industry that was a threat to his thousands of acres of forest land he bought up for his newspaper empire. Hemp paper was going to destroy him so he and Aslinger worked up the outrageous bullhockey against pot. Have you EVER seen Reefer Madness, the propaganda movie put out by Hearst? Well after the illegalization of pot it turned out to be the very same problem with prohibition of alcohol. Of course criminals are going to take over the manufacturing, distribution and sale of pot. Pot is actually the biggest money market that helps the drug cartels finance all their other illegal drug activities.

So after decades of a failed War on Drugs, billions upon billions spent fighting it, people being thrown into prison for possession of pot with rapists, murderers etc, and nothing has been done to stop the flow of pot.

So the smartest thing is to freaking legalize it, regulate it and tax it. This would end the cartels involvement and cut a major source of revenue for them to do their other drugs.

Dad - "Now that it's legal.." Ummm, that's a bit of an OVERSTATEMENT, don't you think? On the other hand, precision, credibility, and reasoned argument don't seem to be your style.

Dad, can you tell me where it's legal?

@DadInAz; Noone is being murdered over pot. Artificially inflated prices brought on by prohibition, in place because of corporate greed, make a such a lucrative incentive as to cause unscrupulous people to kill for those green backs. Remember Al Capone and his like? Same story.

I believe you have a distorted perception caused by listening to fear mongers and others who believe they can control you.

I wonder if the critics are using Pot, and don't want to give it up?

I seem to remember that similar techniques were used to deny that cigarettes caused a host of health problems.

lol

OBAMA Bootlicks Mexicans "Well, I can't think of anyone who did anything great while smoking the stuff."

But lots of people THINK they did after smoking Pot.
lol

When I smoke pot, I don't spend nearly as much time on NBC articles and Newsvine, so I'd say pot makes my IQ go up.

On the other hand; my IQ is affected by a DQ - as in Heath Bar Blizzard (LMAO @ Taco Bell - so true)...so maybe it does go down.

I know one thing - I can do Algebra like a muther f......[hush your mouth], when stoned.

DadInAz-3698986, #2.7- I know of some People who are working on starting up a Movement. They're in the Web Site "design" stage now and it's called Blue Crocodile (Everything "Substance" Abuse). Apparently based on an Egyptian Crocodile God, Sobek; and the hypothymus as being the center of the mind-over-body experience and the reptilian brain of primal emotions of rage, aggression, sex....a.k.a...."the more animal side" of things. And the color blue for the 5th Chakra, the Throat Chakra (Verbal Expression). Speaking out AGAINST SUBSTANCE ABUSE. Should be interesting.

I don't know about murder, but BRAVO! to you for speaking out AGAINST!

edgarhalcyon

"How many news articles are there about men getting high on a Saturday night and beating or killingtheir wives/kids/girlfriends? You know, like we read about with ALCOHOL?"

Like this,

http://www.kgw.com/news/DUI-Marijuana-arrest-after-Vancouver-pedestrian-struck-killed-183932641.html

or this,

http://www.gjsentinel.com/news/articles/anger-flares-as-man-avoids-prison-in-fatal-crash

Ciewy.....

Al Gore, inventor of the internet, says he never inhaled.......George Soros, Marxist,......?

I wouldn't include those nitwits if you are trying to impress someone.

Potheads will always find a way to argue the benefit of pot.

And the Reefer Madness crowd will always (try) to find ways to denigrate it.

How many people that do drugs started out on pot?

None that I personally know, and I came of age in the '70s when pot was everywhere. The "gateway drug" idea is a complete fallacy. Also...how many people who start on beer graduate to 100 proof bourbon?

Thousands are murdered over pot.

Evidence?

Imagine what our world would be like if no one did pot/drugs? It would be 100 times better than it is now I can assure you.

Define "drugs". If you're trying to include pot in your definition, think again. Pot, especially in new smokers, makes you get the munchies, makes you giggle, and makes you "spaced out", but it does not make you violent. Alcohol is far worse at making people violent. Most people when stoned just want to kick back and listen to tunes, watch TV...or go on a message board and laugh at the uninformed (or wrongly informed) Reefer Madness believers.

You would have to smoke "thousands of those in a short period of time to approach toxic levels", thus it's impossible to OD on pot. (cited http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_cannabis#Toxicity) Can you say that about alcohol? No. And alcohol is legal!

Little by little more truth about the effect of weeds will bring more regulations than tobacco and alcohol together. I don't care about medicinal marijuana because like many other drugs , sometimes there is no other option , the patient is already in bad shape and the side effects of the marijuana don't really matters, but not for normal people, always drugs produce damages. It is a myth that weed is innocuous, nothing more far from truth.

When I smoke pot, I don't spend nearly as much time on NBC articles and Newsvine, so I'd say pot makes my IQ go up.

Hey J.P., did you get my email?

It is a myth that weed is innocuous, nothing more far from truth.

Sorry. Wrong.

DG_W, #2.20- 2 things

1) Not everything that is a PROBLEM is only so by a showing of overt Violence, i.e there ARE plenty of dysfunctional Alcoholics that are not necessarily overtly violent

2) The "gateway" theory IS NOT a farce and, as a matter of fact, it even has a "backdoor" element to it by Substance Abusers who are at least getting away from some harsher addictions like oxy, for example, and USING/AB-USING pot, instead. And not only that, but having to USE and AB-USE larger quantities of it to try and make up the difference.

"How many news articles are there about men getting high on a Saturday night and beating or killingtheir wives/kids/girlfriends? You know, like we read about with ALCOHOL?"

Like this,

http://www.kgw.com/news/DUI-Marijuana-arrest-after-Vancouver-pedestrian-struck-killed-183932641.html

or this,

http://www.gjsentinel.com/news/articles/anger-flares-as-man-avoids-prison-in-fatal-crash

Nice that you can cherry pick and find a whopping two articles about pot related deaths. But there is no established method in Washington state to determine the legal limit for pot, nor in Colorado. On the other hand...M.A.D.D. is celebrating the fact that, for the first time, drunk driving deaths fell below 10,000.

http://www.madd.org/blog/2012/december/drunk-driving-fatalities-fall.html

Let me know when there are 10,000 stoned driving deaths.

The "gateway" theory IS NOT a farce

So if it's not, explain why I'm not a meth and/or heroin addict after 35 years of smoking pot. Scroll up: see the post by "J.P. Patches Pal"? I grew up with him; known him since I was seven years old (I turn 57 next week). He's not an addict either. In fact, no one that I grew up with is!

Sounds like it's time to post this again:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54xWo7ITFbg

Most, if not all the potheads I know wont lie, cheat or steal to get a bag....We will just scrape our bowls/bongs!

DG_W, #2.26- Your question is TOO EASY.

Answer: BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT "ALL". AND YOU ARE NOT THE SOLE REPRESENTATION OF "ALL". A "Substance" Ab-user is an ADDICT.

I'd add a "DUH", but I try not to insult "Seniors".

Does pot really lower IQ? It's not so simple

Hell to the NO! I know a few people making big bucks and very smart. They smoke it on the weekends.

In the hands of minors and young adults, that's a whole different story altogether.

I have smoked it a few times and it had zero effect on me, but one of my friends that smokes it weekly, he was all relaxed, still coherent, and just an all around very nice and decent man.

You try to grow GMO free foods through January

Bill Gates claims that he "never smoked pot" but there are pictures of him doing bongs and smoking hash when he was 13. so what is the truth. the government says no. but the smartest people on earth were pot heads when they were kids.

the conclusion is, do not trust the government.

I feel my IQ is going down just reading this stuff...lol

I do read about, and see on the news, about many thugs getting killed by dope deals that have gone bad.. Ya ll be careful out there..!

gordo - and, if people could legally grow their own, there would be no need for dope dealers!

DG_W, #2.26- Your question is TOO EASY.

Answer: BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT "ALL". AND YOU ARE NOT THE SOLE REPRESENTATION OF "ALL". A "Substance" Ab-user is an ADDICT.

I'd add a "DUH", but I try not to insult "Seniors".

You kind of walked into that one, didn't you?

True. I am not "all". That doesn't explain the fact that, of all the dozens -- if not hundreds -- of people I've smoked pot with over the years, none are any sort of "abuser". The only possible exception is another childhood friend's ex-wife, who committed suicide after becoming hooked on cocaine. Then again, another guy I knew growing up also committed suicide...and it had nothing to do with any sort of drugs; he was a depressed homeless person (and advocate, I might add) who was simply at the end of his rope.

And not only that, but having to USE and AB-USE larger quantities of it to try and make up the difference.

So tell me why I now smoke far less than I did a few years ago. An eighth of an ounce -- $40 worth -- used to last me a month at the most. About five years ago, after a two year hiatus, an eighth would last me three months. Now, again after about a year and a half away from it, the last eighth I got is still going, six months after I got it. And the people I know who still smoke it have a similar pattern: you smoke less and less, not more! So do you consider me an "abuser" when the amount that I smoke is now 1/6th of what is was a few years ago? What do you consider an "abuser"?

It's simple common sense that if you've never experienced something that you are hardly an authority on the subject. What you hear on Faux News, or what you saw on Reefer Madness, does not qualify you as any sort of "expert". Because I have first hand knowledge of the effects of pot, I am far closer than you'll ever be to at least have informed position on the subject. But I'd never claim to be an expert, nor even have a decent working knowledge, of being a rocket scientist. Space exploration, yeah, I know a fair amount, but not about rocket science.

Compared to other substances, marijuana is not very addicting. It is estimated that 32% of tobacco users will become addicted, 23% of heroin users, 17% of cocaine users, and 15% of alcohol users. Cocaine and heroin are more physically harmful and nicotine is much more addictive. It is much harder to quit smoking cigarettes than it is to quit smoking pot.

Above is a quote from this article http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-teenage-mind/201012/is-marijuana-addictive. So studies have proven that a pot addiction is pretty rare. Am I addicted? No...otherwise, how would you explain the fact that I have quit for a couple of years multiple times in the past? I smoke it -- not every day -- because I enjoy it. Even my wife, who's never smoked it (maybe a couple of times in her 20s, and she's almost 60 now), has a hard time telling when I have or haven't smoked it.

Again, you're talking out your backside about a subject on which you have zero practical knowledge. And again, Faux News and Reefer Madness are not even close to being "practical knowledge"...

DG_W"

"But there is no established method in Washington state to determine the legal limit for pot, nor in Colorado."

Currently driving with any level of THC constitutes a DUID in Colorado, Washington I am not familiar with.

I know where you're coming from Sailor.....Maybe they will catch on....LOL

@Red Are you saying that his lifestyle is good or bad, if you are inferring that his lifestyle lead to his death, then I ask you to tell me how many people die that do not adhere to his lifestyle! That is correct...All of them, as it is the final end to all of the living,with some living longer than others! No one has yet come up with a failsafe way to live forever except in the minds of others.

Hey Garbage Gut! Think first.

What Red Sailor is saying is that Steve Jobs was a hard core stoner and one of the smartest americans of the last 50 years!

Dude, smoke some weed & chill out!

Some of the Greatest Musicians, Jazz, Classical, Rock ect. were and are pot smokers.

@Steamie he should of stated what he meant then, instead of people having to guess. Thankfully there are people out there that can read minds and clarify for us. Sorry someone in another thread had used Jobs healthy lifestyle as the reason he died....

@garbageman

Neither, I making an observation between the fact that he was a genius and smoked weed. He died of cancer that was totally unrelated to either but I'm sure the pot made his passing less painful.

So what is the foundation or supposition of why conservatives have lower IQ's than progressives? Coors? Lonestar? Jack Daniels?

Actually liberals tend to have a slightly higher IQ than conservatives, but liberals suck at economics. It's the libertarians that have the highest IQs, over both groups. Libertarian leaning Republicans and Democrats, not to mention libertarian independents or apathetics, score higher in both economic tests and IQ than non-libertarian leaning people. They also tend to be more rational...of the 16 personality types the 4 Rationals are some of the rarest, and libertarians seem to disproportionately dominate them.

http://www.swifteconomics.com/2011/08/11/liberals-are-smarter-than-conservatives-but/

It should strike you as ironic that libertarians vote with conservatives very often for lack of a better choice, but come from the classical liberal tradition. In that sense, both groups (conservative and liberal) are not far from being just as rational and intelligent as libertarians...they just need to be more consistently rational and logical.

For years it has been attempted to use economic theory to explain human cognitive behaviors, and for years it has been shown that economic theory is completely ineffective in explaining human cognitive behaviors.

I would very much like to see the studies this so called article is referencing. Unfortunately, they do not cite. I find that suspicious to say the least.

"So what is the foundation or supposition of why conservatives have lower IQ's than progressives"

The smug arrogance of the progressives. ;-)

IowaFarmGirl....do you mean a "graph"?.... I, personally, don't know what a graff is..

You know...a "graff"...one of them long-necked critters with the really cool spotted coats, walking around Africa.

Geez, ain't you never seen no wildlife movies or been to a zoo??

IowaFarmGirl....do you mean a "graph"?.... I, personally, don't know what a graff is...

From the Dictionary at Reference.com:

Graff

Graff\, n. [OE. grafe, greife, greive. Cf. Margrave.] A steward; an overseer.

Now you know.

im dave man, i got the sandwhiches!

@!$%# you for lowercasing my comment. You need a person to moderate so they can see when you are yelling to be a prick or when its just part of a joke.

Dave? Dave? Daves not here man.

Num num..brains. Funny comment Tony. You sure you aren't just caloric-ally challenge instead of fat Tony?

Sounds like steve would go hungary

Why would Mr. Jobs go to Hungary?? I don't get it...

Why would Mr. Jobs go to Hungary?? I don't get it...

Ummm...maybe for the Hungarian Grand Prix at the end of July?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_Grand_Prix

(Not the best race of the year...not much passing)

Believe Me, IT WORKS WELL.....Independent Study

Also works Great for Chronic Pain Syndrome.....Independent Study

Has anyone here ever suffered from anxiety? That most-times unfounded sense of worry and low-level fear that just gnaws at your guts and peace of mind...it just consumes your well-being.

Right now, because the use of cannabis is illegal, I use prescription medication to alleviate my long-term anxiety.

I would much rather use an organic remedy, but the government will not allow me to do so.

I am 57 years old and capable of making my own decisions on almost every other life issue.

But don't believe him. After all, Bill is a convicted liar.

Wasn;t it bush jr. who claimed he smoked but didn't inhale? And who cares if bill clinton lied about getting 1 blowjob in the oval office? Bush and cheney lied us into a multinational war on false pretenses!

Patrick, you are a wrong.

Patrick93

"Wasn;t it bush jr. who claimed he smoked but didn't inhale?"

That would be Clinton, apparently it does lower IQ since he couldn't remember the definition of "is" in court.

Have you ever seen stoners when they can't find a pipe or bong? Freaking MacGyvers, they are. You're right about the motivation factor.

See that proves youve never tried it at least not enough to have a valid opinion. You have no @!$%#ing idea how much it can improve your mind. Basically EVERY new skill I ever learned is thanks to pot. I learned marial arts, how to build things, spanish, how to work on my car.....In high school I was mediocre or lower at all of these. After I started blazing my mind just opened, like I learned how to learn because cannibis broke down all the walls that your mind separates this info from that with. Now I can confidentley say that I CAN fix any problem on any car, I can build a house from ground up and meet code for all trades, I can speak spanish now something 3 years of classes didnt do for me in high school, but just listening to beaners at work after I started to smoke made me fluent, I can even design and build things, anything. And I am learning to read japanese, I learned how to read the hiragana 2 days ago in less than 2 hours.

And when that critical thinking capacity is used to figure out how to get pot, you're certainly not gaining much in the IQ department.

Actually, that is in error. Critical thinking skills are not dependent upon the goal achieved, and rehearsal of any cognitive skill improves the ability of the individual to use that cognitive skill.

In other words, no matter how the pot smoker uses his/her critical thinking skills, they will improve simply by being used.

Typically, the use of cannabis tends to refocus an individual's attention away from the things you're "supposed" to be concentrating on...like sending our young people off to a far away land under false pretenses.

You begin to do a lot of what you just referred to as "critical thinking". Critical of a government that for the last 40 years has preferred to avoid helping us become all that we as a nation could be to the world, and has rather chosen to align itself with any lobbyist that has the money to "persuade" them to see things their way.

Instead of helping to develop our nation, instead of growing our nation and our people, they have chosen to imprison anyone that dares to speak against them...to imprison black people at unbelievable rates, destroying families that need their fathers and other menfolk at home.

Why are we other-wise law-abiding citizens been so criminalized for over 40 years now? WHY?

I drink whiskey until I can literally not see and am puking my guts up...but I can't smoke a cigarette that makes me want to stay home and cuddle with my wife and kids. Somebody hasn't been paying attention...or just maybe, that's exactly what theu don't want...peaceful co-existence.

The powers that be would much rather have us divided and at each other's throats, rather than discussing issues and making progress on substantative societal matters.

I'm 57 years old now, and have become tired of the military-industrial complex. I want my country back.

I've tried to figure all of this out, the whys and wherefores of the last 40 years, but I simply can't make heads or tails out of most of what has happened around the world as I have grown up.

When we stop putting people in prison, and disrupting the lives of other-wise law-abiding citizens, causing all kinds of discord between the people and our authority figures, then we will begin to work on other problems...or maybe "they" don't want us to work on these problems.

Like I said, I ain't the sharpest tool in the shed...but I do have common sense.

When the law causes more harm and heartbreak than the crime its meant to curtail, then something is way out of whack...and the law needs to be fixed.

There is no substitute for critical thinking. And when that critical thinking capacity is used to figure out how to get pot, you're certainly not gaining much in the IQ department.

Another friend, who smokes daily, is a recently published author and songwriter. So how is he successful if he's not capable of "critical thinking"?

Brandon:

"EVERY new skill I ever learned is thanks to pot..."

And it seems you learned to type while you were high as well, I see.

AMEN

You are wrong too. I have a niece born from a mom who stopped smoking cigs and all else except mj while she was pregnant. My niece is a certifiable genius. The doctors say she is at least 2 years smarter than a normal 3 year old. Same story when she had her second, he is 1 this year and they say his mind is essentially that of a 3 year old. Studies have shown that mj likely triggers the evolution of the mind. I would say My brother, my niece and nephew and I are all physical evidence of this. The difference between us and average pot smokers is that we have the drive to learn, with or without it. Some people dont have that so they arent any smarter than anyone else, or are stupider because they chose to be one of those "cool" stupid people. While those of us who want to learn and smoke will all tell you that their ability to learn grew exponentially after they started smoking it.

Agreed, Minnsurveyor. But then, anything started too young can be harmful to the developing brain. Some things more than others, to be certain, and alcohol has been shown to have tremendously negative side effects for the developing brain.

uhhhh, how will legalizing keep it out of the hands of young people again? Somehow your argument lacks.......thought.

How does it being illegal keep it out of the hands of young people?

Young people will get anything if they want it bad enough.

The government employs tens of thousands of thugs enforcing needless pot prohibition. Contract prisons, drug peddlers and shlthouse lawyers make billions on the stuff. And pot is probably the worlds most studied drug, but no one ever seems to find a definitive health risk. Now look at who looses if its legalized ...hmmm

This study doesn't have an anti-pot conclusion.

How is it working for you? My wife suffers from migraines and I finally talked her in to trying pot and she now swears it's a miracle drug and uses nothing else for her migraine. As soon as she starts to get an aura she takes a few hits and is able to sleep and wakes up feeling much better. She has a small pipe I gave her and I always make sure there is something in it in case. The frequency of her migraines has dropped dramatically! Maybe one a year now.

They had me on Tegretol, kind of worked but nothing like weed. The X also uses it for migraines. She would get migraines that would last for days. Switched to weed and they are less frequent and way less intense. Sometimes she can feel one coming on, half a bowl later and she says she can feel the migraine go away.

C'mon, 1.2 billion Hindu's can't be wrong...

I used to do the same for my migranes. $10 each prescribed Immitrex didn't work at all, and Excedrin Migrane (or regular excedrin) barely helped by itself. If I took 3 Excedrin Migranes as soon as I could after an aura started, and smoked a few light hits of marijuana, then closed my eyes for 30-45 minutes, my migrane was always practically perfectly cured. There might be a small, slight remaining headache if I sneezed afterward. The sooner I started the process into the aura, the better.

I haven't had a migrane in almost 10 years. I don't think the MJ cured me, since my grandmother had and outgrew them too, but nothing else I tried made my migranes even remotely tolerable.

Oh yeah, sex / masterbating helps a little, but migranes are the one time you should choose marijuana over sex for a much better result. The headache comes right back when you are done with sex - if you can even tolerate starting the act in the first place.