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Must be a weird conundrum for right wing nut jobs in that the abortion rate is lower but it is because of greater access to birth control, no doubt under that damned Obamacare! Let the hand wringing begin!!
Also there is more comprehensive education. Everyone wants fewer abortions, but we pro choice people want to reduce them through prevention of unwanted pregnancies rather than limiting a woman's options.
And don't forget with so many more lowlifes on the dole, it is more economically advantaged for them to have more kids (equals more higher handout amounts, FACT).
"Their theory is that some women believe they can't afford to get pregnant."..... great to see some of them have common sense.
Walkwithmeinhell, do you have the numbers proving that birth rates went up among the "lowlifes" as you put it? If not, your point is not valid.
EngEsq
If pro-lifers believe that making abortions illegal they have to better re-assess their ways of thinking.
In Canada the abortions per capita is 5% lower than the U.S.
Why would that be , because there is easy access to abortions in Canada and they are paid for 100% by the medical .
( 1 ) If a women decides to have an abortion she goes through counseling to discuss her options.
( 2 ) In Canada a women gets 1 yr. maternity leave from her job with pay. If she decides that her husband would like to stay home they can split the maternity leave as they feel fit. No one can be fired from their job or permanently replaced while on maternity leave as this is against the law.
( 3 ) Yes it costs money for programs such as these , but still with all of Canada's medical programs , labour laws etc Canadians have on the average a much larger net worth than Americans.
Progressives have done more to reduce the number of abortions than ALL of the actions of ALL of the rightwingers combined.
Progressives helped to ensure women's health care, sex education, contraceptive services and counseling by groups like Planned Parenthood that resulted in the number of abortions last year actually being reduced by over 5%.
Republicans just stamp feet and throw tantrums.
Progressives actually go out and do things to make peoples lives better.
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Glad to see pro-choice people want fewer abortions, now how about teaching that there are definitive consequences and that expecting society to pick up the tab when they do get pregnant is not socially acceptable? How about making these people pay for their actions, not us in society?
We in society did not force them to have sex, yet we pay dearly for their actions, holding these people who willfully disregard the reality of consequences accountable for their actions would help a lot too.
I think abortions have gone down overall, although in the black community it apparently is still very high, because women view that "cell" differently today than when Roe vs Wad was first passed. I think when women regularly get a picture of their "baby" very early on it changes the baby from a lima bean to an actually baby with a heart and limbs. It is easier to think about vacuuming out a lima bean rather than a tiny somewhat developed fetus. So I am saying that technology has enlightened women to the fact that a baby develops much earlier than we chose to think about decades ago. That being said, many still support pro-choice which leaves the decision to the mother. I am glad to see abortions going down. I would love to not see any performed and instead embrace life.
Must be hand wringing for Lefties that the vast majority of abortions are "minority" women , your eating your seed- so so speak
Not at all, Celtic. We're delighted that despite the rwnj desire to castigate women and label them as irresponsible and unable to make informed decisions for themselves without vaginal probes or gov't approved scripts for private practice doctors, education and access to birth control is making a difference. Enjoy that hand-wringing... :)
1776, what I don't understand is that since Roe vs. Wade (A progressive victory, right) over 50,000,000 abortions have been performed in the U.S. Are saying if abortion was still illegal here that number would be higher?
@Cappy...I think Walkwithmeinhell was being sarcastic and funny...or at least I hope so.
no more filbert, I don't know if the number of abortions performed would be higher if it was still illegal, but I do know the amount of women dead from having abortions would be staggeringly higher if it was.
At least its one number that's going down. Libtards must be pissed.
Mississippi claims the "lowest abortion rate" but the highest teen pregnancy rate. That is not progress, Mississippi.
You cannot piss off an object.
Moot point. Statistics are not kept on illegal abortions.
This is my BIGGEST problem with the Republican party. In a nutshell, all of their platforms contradict each other.
Republicans are against abortion and want to reduce the number.
Republicans are against contraception through health insurance plans.
Republicans hate people on "entitlement" programs like food stamps (50% of food stamp population are children).
Now . . . it is PROVEN that access to contraception REDUCES abortions, yet Republicans are against this access. So even though their platform is to reduce the number of abortions performed, they are against a method that has been PROVEN to reduce abortions.
It is also PROVEN that restricting contraceptive access increases the number of abortions. So the Republican platform against contraceptives will INCREASE abortions, which they are also against.
On the same token, if abortion is outlawed then the food stamp population increases. Thus, the abortion platform for Republicans will INCREASE the food stamp population, which Republicans are also against.
Each one of the Republican platforms directly causes their other platform to get worse. Yet they do not see this. For some reason, Republicans are incapable of recognizing how each of their platform affects the other. It seems so blatantly obvious, yet they completely fail at understanding this simple concept.
I just don't understand how they can logically justify each platform.
Phil
First, the Catholic church has been telling people not to have sex, and demanding them to be responsible about this decision, for over a thousand years. How has that worked out?
To reiterate, the most powerful organization on the planet . . . using fear and the threat of eternal damnation . . . to try and stop people from having sex, has FAILED. The fear that your soul will burn in hellfire for all eternity is not enough to stop people from having sex.
So how do YOU plan on convincing people to not have sex, when the most powerful religious organization using the greatest threat they know, has failed to accomplish that goal?
Second, how will you force people to be "accountable for their actions" while also protecting this new life they brought into the world? Will you cut off their safety net? Then the child you just saved will starve. Any action you take to force them to be "accountable" will directly affect the child you just saved.
So what are you willing to do to that child, which you supposedly care about, to teach their parents a lesson?
Mike 2010-1, Quebec has the highest abortion rate per capita in the WORLD!!! BC stopped telling mothers the sex of their babies at first sonograms because too many were killing 'em if not sex they prefer. Canada has NO law re abortion; abortion can be sought for ANY reason and regardless of how far into the pregnancy btw. The law to restrict abortion to "heath of the mother or baby" was struck down in 1969. Get your facts straight please! Abortion is not politicized here in Canada that's all. Killing more or less babies is not the argument; killing any baby as a means of birth control is the problem!
Commento - Stop getting your facts from pundits. They lie for ratings.
What sicko keeps track of abortions?
justoneguy, the Center for Disease Control, the Federal government, state governments, several scholarly institutes, and abortion providers,and that's just in the U.S.
It must be tough for right wingers who oppose abortions but if they succeeded in eliminating them they'd be bred to insignificance in a generation. With hispanics getting abortions at 2 1/2 times the white race and blacks at 4 times if they win they lose.
Excellent post, Indie071 (1.19)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I totally agree.
To Comment508: Good. The less Canadians in that part of the country, the less Americans have to search to see if their stolen horses ended up on some slimebag's dinner place in Toronto.
Thank you Adela for the most bizarre and off-topic post of the day.
What sicko keeps track of abortions?
Sounds like a few places we can cut the Federal Budget on....but not with this administration.
Indie071 -
You are certainly entitled to your opinion. However, the Catholic Church will not stop proclaiming and teaching the truth, even if the Church ends up being the last one to do so.
That being said, you are mistaken in what you *think* the Church teaches. The Catholic Church does not tell people not to have sex. The Church simply teaches that sex is to be reserved for those who are married. God told Adam and Eve to be fruitful and multiply - that hardly sounds like "do not have sex."
As far as people being responsible for their actions, take a step back and look at all the problems we have in our nation today. I believe that by and large, all these problems can be attributed to the fact that people do not take responsibility for their actions. Sex has consequences. If you feel cannot have a child, for whatever reason, financial or otherwise - don't have sex. It's not that difficult a concept. If you choose to have sex anyway, you might have a child. Even if you use contraception, everyone knows it's not a 100% guarantee that it will prevent you from having a child.
As for your argument that the Church is responsible for unwanted pregnancies/children - I call BS. The Catholic Church did not force you to have sex. YOU are responsible for YOUR choice to engage in an activity that you know could result in pregnancy. Killing an innocent life because it is more convenient for you is an act of evil. There's no other way to spin that. Adoption is always an option if you cannot care for your child.
When you point out the hypocrisy of those on the right who oppose abortion but also oppose food stamps, medicaid and school nutrition programs they always talk about the blame being on irresponsible parents. I wonder if the children who would be born that are sick and starving because of republican policies would blame their parents because they couldn't help or republicans who just aren't willing to.
Get a grip "Larry" the "sick and starving" are all illegal aliens, the basic voting block of the Left.
Let's start with Bristol Palin, who the right turned into a messiah of sorts.
But really, nobody likes abortions, which is why full contraception coverage is so important - and sex education.
Bristol Palin.....what?..... a nobody the Left targets.
So you are saying that the CDC should be one of the agencies to be cut funds? Do you have any idea why the CDC keeps track of abortions? It's for the same reason they watch everything else, to study how many of those abortions may be a public health risk due to the possibility of illness being spread if contracted from the mother or mutated genes. Just because you think it may be disgusting keeping track of these numbers doesn't mean it isn't necessary. That was just one reason I brought up why abortions are tracked, but I'm fairly certain there are other reasons why abortion rates are being monitored as well. It's necessary to keep track of these things even if you don't see the reasoning behind it, others do.
Nonsense. According to the 1 million a year abortion number and percentage as given 175,000 would be white and 600,000 black. That would leave 225,000 or so hispanic most being citizens.
ha ha ha...just love to 'poke' the liberal left......how many children are going without food/services while we're paying to keep track of abortions with that money? Just askin.
Anything worthwhile to contribute justoneguy, or just potshots, cheap shots and ignorance?
Utter rubbish, thanks for making the IGNORE an easy decision.
I'm a moderate, generally a Republican, but I'm also a realist, so I'm "all in" with the progressives on this one.
Believing abortion to be "murder" or at a minimum, the taking of an innocent life, but not promoting the h3ll out of contraception, makes you complicit in the murder/manslaughter you rail against, right?
"but our church teaches people shouldn't have sex unl..."
Ok, but they will, and you would intend to be a forcing function on them to accept the consequences or commit murder/manslaughter. Seems to me the guilt for those abortions is all on you. After all, you had a closer relationship to God, and you knew better than the kid who got the abortion.
Rational people would push IUDs and BC on young people who can't afford to have children for the massive taxpayer savings alone.
Abortions are down??? Uh oh, libs, you'd better get out there and stop that trend right now. Think of all the future Democrat voters you're gonna eliminate!
Being pro-choice does not mean that you measure success by the number of people who get abortions. If there is any common ground between pro-choice and pro-life activists, it's that the ideal number of abortions is zero. Pro-life activists would rather make it illegal. Pro-choice activists would rather have the option if it is needed and work to prevent the unwanted pregnancy in the first place.
There goes that Conservative media showcasing abortion again.
Time to call out the conservative media - enough is enough.
The Right wing has so many buttons to push...not enough time in the day to punch them all.
Fred Evil
I don't care about you or your predetermined cohearts "fred" so pleeeeez "ignore" me!!!!
---AND A HEART BEAT!!!
So?
"Truth", in the theistic sense, is highly subjective and philosophically based, and open to subjective interpretations!
Which is an absurd and outdated teaching!
But it is highly unrealistic!
Abortions isn't killing and utilizing them IS taking responsibility. The reasons is the woman's alone and no one else's business!
Why should a woman be forced to endure a pregnancy, and all the risks and inconveniences associated with it, especially if she doesn't want to in the first place?
Roe v. Wade didn't suddenly "allow" women to have abortions. They were already doing that. It simply allowed women to have safe abortions under medical supervision. I wonder how high the morbidity/mortality rate for women would be if Roe was decided the other way?
Ha.
No, we don't hold 'these people' or 'them' responsible, we hold THE WOMAN responsible when, in fact, it takes two to participate in a pregnancy. Why does it always become her responsibility only? It's incomprehensible to me that the woman is blamed, and in many cases shamed, while the male participant goes his merry way unscathed and even considered 'manly'. 'Manly" is taking care of your responsibilities. There is a basketball player, unmarried, who has fathered 29 children and pays for none of them. Mind boggling. (I went a little off-topic here. Sorry - got carried away.)
Your comments are simplistic - which goes with a simple mind. An abortion is not a walk in the park, and a woman does not make this decision for convenience. You have no right to judge her. I'm sure you are a man. Unless you have a womb, MYOB!
All I can say is some of the people on here are animals.....WHO gives a crap about legal or illeagal or what religion says what.....MY GOD PEOPLE DEMS or REP.....who gives a crap....I'm a mother of 3 beautiful children and I have 3 beautiful grand children...I saw pictures of them at just 8 weeks I could tell without a doubt they were human,they had heart beats,they where alive I saw them with my own eyes...LATER I watched all of them be born...greatest days of my life.....GO ahead say whatever BS you want and make up every excuse you can WHY you should or SHOULDN 't have a abortion ONLY you will live with that and only you will pay the price of your irresponsible act...IF YOU DONT WANT BABIES EITHER take BIRTH CONTROL or stop lying to yourself ...Dont say you cant afford it I SEE ALL OF YOU with cell phones,booze,drugs,nice cars etc,,,,,you can afford to get your nails done and your fancy F-ing hair cuts but you can't afford birth control...BS I'm sick of all of you idiots NOT being ACCOUNTABLE FOR BEING STUPID !!!!! be responsible try that it's a new concept...GO AHEAD CALL ME ALL THE DIRTY THINGS YOU CAN...YOU ALL KNOW I"M RIGHT.....EXCUSES FOR BAD BEHAVIOR EXCUSES FOR IRRESPONSIBILITY EXCUSES OR LIES ABOUT NOT AFFORDING BIRTH CONTROL....
Tawney, I think you need a nap, sweetie.
I don't care what your religion says, Tawney. I don't even care if you THINK that you are right. It is not up to you to decide how other people live their lives. You are awfully judgemental and assuming, aren't you Tawney? And yes, a baby is a baby at 8 weeks. A fetus at 8 weeks has a 10-20% chance of miscarrying. How many 8 week old fetuses funerals have you attended?
And you chose to carry your pregnancies. nice to have that choice, isn't it?
A woman's reasons for electing an abortion is hers and hers alone!
Birth control is not 100% effective.
Utilizing an abortion is being responsible! If a woman is not respon sible for birth control, what makes you think she'll be responsible for raising a kid?
Only in your mind!
Or some prozac. :D
Affording is one thing. Having access is another. In conservative parts of the country, there may not be a pharmacy for miles and miles. And the one pharmacy that is within a reasonable range won't fulfill orders for birth control, because it goes against the moral beliefs of the pharmacist. Or maybe it's a small town, there's a pharmacy but by getting it, the whole town will know and you'll be shamed.
That's the rub. Conservatives don't want women to have abortions or birth control. It's easy to see why they can be perceived as having a "war on women" especially when, as you so perfectly demonstrate, it is the woman's fault that she gets pregnant. It takes two to produce a pregnancy, ergo the blame should be evenly distributed.
The liberals are so proud and arrogant about the right to have an abortion every single one should be given an aborted developing human in a jar that they can proudly display on their dinner table at their next party. Yipeeee dead fetus on the table.
Maybe women and men are finally realizing they need to be more responsible.
At ktd0410
You are also mistaken. The Catholic Church objects to married couples having sex while using any form of contraceptive.
At ktd0410
I do not see pro-lifers lining up at adption centers.
Oh Cappy...still gotta be an angry liberal looney, don't you... Shame.
Cappy,
Actually, many insurance companies are probably not offering this yet. After the law went "into effect" I was charged my usual copay for mine. When I asked about the charge, I was told that there is a stipulation written into the law that the insurance companies could immediately comply, or they could wait until the next insurance year begins (Jan 1,2013) to start covering. My insurance company chose to wait. I'm guessing that most of them probably did the same.
Of course the baby killers will not contribute this to women realizing that they are murderers if they kill their unborn baby.
Jerry, do you walk down the street asking women if they have had abortions and scream "murderer" at them?
"due to better use of birth control during tough economic times. Their theory is that some women believe they can't afford to get pregnant."......
Imagine how much it would drop if they thought there would be no welfare, free child care, insurance and food stamps for the next 18 years?
How much would it drop? None. How much would the abortion and pregnancy rate go up under those conditions? dramatically.
How can I say that? Simple - look at the data whenever those items were less than they are today.
S. Morgan-
Do you know the benefits for these things? Not nearly enough to cover the cost of a child.
@S.Morgan, so lets say that I am a pregnant 18 yo girl estranged from my , lets just say religious, family. Now I know I will not get any support from the father...I'm considering abortion...it will be difficult to raise this child on my own. Now you propose removing welfare, free child care, Medicaid and food stamps. That would help me make the decision to have an abortion. As a Christian, my view is to do whatever will reduce abortions AND HELP THE POOR AS JESUS COMMANDED!!!! So if offering welfare, etc to this poor mother will help her have the child and take care of the child once he/she is born, I am all for it. I wouldn't expect a non-christian like yourself to understand this, but thankfully, you are in the minority and GOD WILLING declining!
If we didn't have all the liberal 'save the world' policies we would have more people cognizant of consequences.
Too many people live their lives like the government will come to their rescue when they deliberately make unsound choices. Having sex and getting pregnant is a human activity that the two people involved are totally at fault for. We in society didn't force the woman to open her legs, nor force the man to do his thing either.
We should not be responsible for other people's actions, the people who willfully disregard consequences and self control should bear the cost, not society.
Abortion remains one of the most selfish choices that a woman could ever make, behind suicide. The willfull disregard for human life despite the fragile nature of the devloping child is appallingly inhumane and more aligned with attitudes of the stone ages. We treat dogs better than we treat our unborn kids. Since when is the body of a child a mother's 'right' to kill? Yes I know the smartasses will say 'Roe v Wade', but even with a court approval, the inhumanity of it is undeniable and cannot be excused by any court in existence.
So MANY poor.Many of whom are worthless and have raised their offspring to be worthless
...and soooo many worthless guys that get these girls knocked up with promises of a ring or just getting a job and then skip out, like it didn't take two to tango.....but you conservatives will tell me it's ALL them dam womens faults, won't you?
Phil, sexual behavior is not purely for reproductive purposes. It is a healthy, natural expression of love and commitment and an act of bonding in a relationship. Your inability to see unplanned pregnancy as anything other than happening to lazy, irresponsible women who can't keep their legs closed shows your lack of critical thinking skills. Mature, responsible adults should have the right to have sex without the fear of pregnancy. That's why birth control was invented. Unfortunately, birth control is not perfect. It fails for some people even when used perfectly. Not because people are irresponsible. I don't believe it's right, natural, or fair to have the expectation that you should remain completely celibate if you don't want to have a baby. You don't want a woman to abort her baby, but if she finds herself in an unfortunate situation because birth control fails or heaven forbid, she was raped, you also think it's morally reprehensible to offer her public support. How very kind of you. People like you seek to punish women, and all you do is punish a child.
ROFLMAO!!!
Poor people never had children before welfare only rich people did. Look at the people in India, China and Pakistan. There's over 300 passages in the bible that condemns those that covet wealth and priases those who help the poor. Maybe so called right wing christians should read it.
hypocrisy1776 - Careful now, expecting xtians to act like Christians is tantamount to heresy.
They don't have to read or follow the book they want to force on others, dontchaknow.
Al,s for the poor? Camel vs. Eye of a needle?
Irrelevant! They have poor people (who are poor because they are lazy/criminals/welfare queens/incompetent/etc) to belittle and abhor, and it's so much easier to keep them poor and ignorant if they have to raise babies they can't afford.
Where else would we get the next generation of lazy/criminals/welfare queens/incompetent/etc for them to belittle?
Jesus would be appalled at 95% of those who claim to follow him.
Fred Evil...agree.....if Jesus walked the Earth today he would have nothing to do with 99.9% the types who claim to be his followers, and we can only imagine what his reaction to the "princes" of the Church would be !
Hey Larry, nice selective interpretation of the Bible. Next time you want to throw it in our faces to reinforce your liberal line of crap, look up the guy who buried the talents God gave him, and relied on his more industrious brethern for sustenance. I'm not sure if you'll be able to interpret...or even understand the meaning, but try anyway, ok?
Spider: Sorry but your republican brethren have no more concern for poor through their own lack of effort than they do with poor children, crippled and the elderly. Though your selective lack of concern is more palatable it doesn't reflect anything your party supports. How would the republican agenda to reduce benefits to all that are eligible only affect the unworthy?
Fred Evil
(you picked a fitting screen name)
We will always have poor people, but the more we subsidize them, the more poor people we get. People, rich or poor have to be responsible for their actions. We (Christians) can get them started, put them on the right path, but they have to have to live their own lives. That is what acting like a Christian is all about.
By contrast, there a are people who are intellectually lazy and seem to delight in mocking Christians and others who are working to make a better world.
Most of the hospitals and Universities were started by faith-based groups. What's you comment on that?
Numbers please.
I wish not to paint with a broad brush. I wish to just point out that there are many politicians who self-identify as Christians who are unwilling to put anybody on the right path. They would rather not be bothered with the problems of the poor and expect somebody else to pick up the slack.
The same can be said for some Christians who delight in mocking non-Christians also working to make a better world. I can't tell you how much derision I get for being a scientist (whom some equate with satanist.)
It is a logical extension for community out-reach. However many have lost their mission and are becoming more business focused. More extremist elements (whom tend to attract more mockery) within Christianity reject knowledge that isn't in the Bible and some even reject medicine in favor of faith healing. These elements are taking steps backwards.
He would see them as those who pray loudly in public and as the moneychangers in the temple: in His eyes they would be the hypocrites they are.
"If you don't want tax dollars helping the sick and poor, then its time to stop saying you want a government based on Christian values" --- John Fogelsang, television host.
Cappy.. that is not what they said! Instead it is they fear they cannot afford it. Everyone has access to birth control methods... it is requiring Faith institutions to pay for it when it is against their religion and also to pay for the abortions as well.
If I work for a religious organization and I am not a member of that religion, I should not be bound by their religious guidelines with regard to something as vital as healthcare. If said religious organization can require that I do, then I think that they should start paying taxes.
If you hire people, you're just another business. Your "faith" doesn't mean squat when it comes to the people you employ and your obligations as an employer.
What if you're one of those nut job religions that doesn't believe in doctor's at all? Since it's just a matter of "faith", what keeps you from just claiming to not believe in doctors?
S. Morgan-
Organizations run by Jehovah's Witnesses must still provide blood transfusions for their employees. According to your statement, they should not have to.
Damn all them irresponsible 18 year olds that won't abstain from sex the way all good republican children do. Republicans only have sex after marriage when they're ready for a family and have a good job.
The only person I know who had an abortion was an "innocent" christian teen who got knocked up by, God forbid, a MEXICAN boy! Her tea bagger "christian" parents were the first in line at the abortion clinic...........
PHUCKING HYPOCRITES!!!
And to ALL THE MEN OUT THERE...shut the hell up about abortion until you can carry a child in your body. Tell you what, we'll let you KEEP YOUR GUNS if you let us KEEP OUR RIGHTS! Deal? Deal!
How come the "Pro-Lifers" are for the DEATH PENALTY?
Again I say, PHUCKING HYPOCRITES!!!!
key2joy keep your PHUCKING LEGS CLOSED nobody is forcing you to jump into bed talk about a PHUCKING HYPOCRITE.
Panhead....CASTRATE YOURSELF you PHUCKING HYPOCRITE!
panhead,
The Victorian era ended years ago for some of us. We are much happier than you and those like you.
Education and access to birth control are wonderful things, and - less abortions now.
NO faith institutions are required to provide birth control, NONE.
Someone is either a liar, or ignorant, be it intentional or otherwise.
key2joy
You have the spirit, but are hopelessly misguided.
I am pro-life PERSONALLY. Meaning I would not abort my own children with my wife, whom I love so dearly. Yes things change into perspective when you first become a parent, especially with a person who you would die for.
Do I support pro-choice? Hell yeah. I support those who have the right to freedom. Even if I don't agree they should abort thier children, they obviously know better than me about thier bodies, and lives. Such as some people cannot support children at that moment.
And please do not tell me to shut the hell about about abortion. Don't act like men don't have to deal with the consequences as well.
Your horrible ranting and overuse of "Ph" in replacement of an "F" is silly, and you look like an angry feminist with a "KILL ALL MEN DEY R SUCKY" agenda.
what this story fails to mention as probably the most major factor involved here is that motility rates in men have seen a constant decline in the past several decasdes since testing began due to the harmful greenhouse gases that leaders all around the globe have pledged but failed to hedge off. to put it very simply...
More greenhouse gases -> Lower motility rates in men -> Lower pregnancy rates (and therefore abortion rates) in women -> This misleading story.
Uh, that was a misleading comment.
Not to mention a huge deviation from common sense.
It isn't the greenhouse gases that have caused the decreased motility in sperm. It's the estrogenic chemicals that have gone into just about everything from plastics to hand sanitizers. Whether that has had any effect on pregnancies is another question.
What in the actual fornication?
LitterHater, I think I found your tinfoil hat...
It's also getting rid of the stupid "just say no".... but the GOP doesn't get that until one of their daughters get's knocked up!
rilly?
Even if the conservatives do away with women's right to choose, the wealthy's daughters, mistresses and wives WILL still have access to "D&Cs", you can count on that!
So, one's right to choose is more important than another's right to choose? How do you decide which one's right is more important?
Somebody needs to skid their feet or the 16 trillion in debt would be double that in the next couple years. Checks and balances work, and that is how the government is set up. It makes things pan out in the end.
Think about how much money we save every time an unwanted pregnancy is avoided. The cost of birth control pales in comparison. Good investment!
They still don't get it. They want the world to be the way they want it to be, not the way it actually is. It's insane troll logic carried to an extreme. The conservatives want no birth control information and they want no abortions. It's wacky nonsense and it doesn't work.
It's big government, totally antithetical to the conservative value of small government.
Expecting and forcing the government to get smaller is also utter nonsense when you consider that the population is growing in both numbers and in diversity, and the number of businesses are also growing. A more effective public sector serves the people better than a government made smaller for its own sake. Historically, nations that have shrinking governance (for a variety of reasons, most of them extremely unpleasant) and a growing population have the most unstable economies and experience more internal strife, serious public health problems, and widespread poverty. You can even point out third-world countries that have this problem, now. And what fills in the voids of power in these places when their governments become too small to govern? Usually, a military rule, or worse, an intolerant theocracy.
Bummer - we should start some sort of government program to get that number up higher! It makes me feel like a failure as a liberal to see articles like this...
Agreed, and we should start by cutting off your nut sack so another waste of skin is not created!
Texola, he is just kidding...
And you have the nerve to tell him he is a waste of skin... tsk tsk
Now I understand why conservatives want to shut down Planned Parenthood, they don't want anyone fornicating for any other reason than procreation.
One word! G O O D!
I suppose stock in the at the abortuaries has fallen.
I can see Planned Parenthood poking holes in the prophylactics right now.
Oh please, just please stop.
Hey, mao, take a good hard look - the idiots on the right lost because of asinine statements like yours.
Cartoon villainy is more realistic than what you said.
How could you destroy your own flesh and blood? It's not better birth control, it's more internet access to information showing what abortion truly is- barbaric.
No, it's better birth control and better sex ed.
Donna, you are more self-deluded than Karl Rove, and that's alot.
Donna, we don't all see life through your belief system. I think kids going hungry in the richest country in the world is barbaric, but that doesn't seem to bother the very people up in arms about abortion and contraception. Maybe caring for the already born would help your anxiety.
But it's not your own flesh and blood anymore than a tumor is. I want to hear from all the handwringers about abortions being murder what they do when they are a week or so late in their period and then have a bloody show. Do they then go and have a funeral for the "baby" that was just miscarried? Or do they just flush it down the toilet?
I don't think anybody who has an abortion takes the decision lightly. It is done with informed consent. The informed part is knowing what is going to happen. A google search won't tip the balance. It is far more likely that folk are just being more careful. Access to birth control can help with that.
All three of my friends who had abortions when they were younger know to the month how old their children would be today. Each of them had that abortion because the father failed to support them at the time. Abortion isn't a decision they took lightly in spite of the hateful thinking of the anti-abortion people's opinions.
Ask any woman who had an abortion how old her child would be now. She knows.
A woman's reasons for electing abortion is her own. Nice try to put an emotional spin on it though.
Of course it is. It always keeps a woman from being pregnant. But it's not usually the first line of birth control.
Merely your opinion.
Abortions are no longer an issue for the GOP.
The election is over.
Let them have abortions, birth control,same sex marriage, and by all means, stop welfare. This
will be the end of liberals and the Dem. Party. If the liberal congress wants to fund any programs, let them tap the Govt. Retirement program and leave Socual Security and Medicare alone.
Tiredobs: You poor sad fool. When republicans are talking about the 47% that are takers the biggest group is those on social security and medicaid. You consider social security and medicaid as something you've paid for since your payments funded past generations and todays workers fund yours they consider it a ponzi scheme. Sadly you parrot the republican line and aren't smart enough to see you're one of those they despise.
"Abortions are no longer an issue now that the election is over" (for Republicans)
Until their MISTRESSES or DAUGHTERS need one!
GOP candidates failed to be elected because one thought that women had a fail safe method to kick in in the case of a "legitimate rape" and another one thought that conception through rape or incest was "God's will". Ryan didn't care. Any PG was a good PG. The party platform reflects this. Kinda adds emphasis to the story from Ireland where a woman and fetus died because the hospital was afraid of a lawsuit if they performed an abortion. Regardless of the politics, circumstances or ethnic background, the decision should be up to the woman.
The GOP are WOMEN HATERS!
Barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen...that's where their women belong!
The GOP has yet to come up with a convincing argument about why it is in the interest of the state to force a victim of rape or incest to carry a child conceived in rape or incest to term, other than " I say so".
....and because it does not require killing the child.
I guess that one argument is just not "convincing enough".
Pregnancy termination in the case of rape or incest does not involve "killing the child". "Killing the child" is infanticide, and is decidedly illegal in this country.
With all do respect it is not the party platform of the GOP to deny women access to birth control. NO ONE in any state is denied access to birth control. Fiscal conservatives just do not want to have to pay for birth control for women who are capable of paying for it themselves. Nor, was it the platform of Romney/Ryan to make abortions illegal. The left is really good at manipulating the argument on everything. If you say you don't like Obama's policies they go to the extreme and call you a racist, no matter how many valid points you have to back your viewpoint up, if you say you want to reduce entitilement spending and curb fraud, they go to the extreme and say you hate poor people. War on Women, War on the Rich, War on Corporations etc... This childish behaviour is why we can never come to an agreement on anything in this country and is precisely why Obama was re-elected while presiding over the worst sustained unemployment in the history of the US, record numbers of people on Food Stamps, wars in which he renewed or started under his watch, environmental disasters under his watch, The highest one term deficit spending of all presidents combined 1 through 44, etc......
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/rick-santorum-favors-making-birth-control-illegal/
http://gothamist.com/2011/10/26/latest_threat_to_womens_right_to_ch.php
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/08/11/paul-ryan-s-extreme-abortion-views.html
And that's just a taste. Yes rthereanyresposiblepeopleleft, major players in the GOP want to make birth control illegal.
And Romney/Ryan's support of "personhood" means that they wanted to make abortions illegal, too.
It isn't the progressives that indulge in massive historical revision.
Even many moderate republican women do not support the GOP platform on abortion. They can either moderate their positions or fade away into obscurity.
Thank you miscreant. Blows my mind that some people claim there already is sufficient access to birth control everywhere in the US. Tons of news regarding pharmacists denying BC not too long ago (not just Kansas), and we're definitely still lacking on teenager access. Or do we think they will stop having pre-marital sex for the first time in the history of the world because that's what jesus, excuse me, a person pretending to speak for jesus, wants? That's not even discussing the freedom of religion our US Constitution is supposed to afford us.
http://www.google.com/search?q=pharmacist+deny+birth+control&rls=com.microsoft:en-us&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&startIndex=&startPage=1
rthereanyresponsiblepeopleleft: All your arguments are false. Cutting all social programs 20% as Romney proposed by giving block grants to states to administer but 20% less would cut funding to all in need by 20%. There was nothing addressing fraud it's simply a word used by the right to pretend cuts won't affect the truly needy.
On birth control, the increase in insurance is trivial compared to the average policy the sole purpose of opposing it is to discourage their use especially the poor who might not be able to afford $150 a month or more. Ryan's anti abortion plan was adopted by the republican party which included calling using spermicides or the morning after pill which kill a fertile egg murder and would not accept any difference for rape or incest. Romney stated he wouldn't promote any anti abortion agenda but when questioned if he'd sign such a bill if presented he said yes, he was still against abortion.
On the debt. Bush's last budget which ran from Oct. 2008 through Oct. 2009 was projected by the CBO prior to Obama taking office to be in deficit in the amount of 1.2 trillion dollars. If Obama had done nothing but continue Bush's last budget our debt would still be 15.7 trillion. You right wingers blame Obama not for creating new programs that increased our debt but for continuing funding those created by Bush. Being responsible is trying to find common ground, not lying or distorting your views to prove a point.
What the GOP really fails to grasp is that outlawing abortions or personhood amendments will only criminalize those women who choose to exercise their individual freedom of choice. Making abortions illegal will not end abortions...it will only end LEGAL abortion.
.....like the laws against murder and theft don't really STOP murder or theft....they just stop LEGAL murder and theft. Murderers and thieves will still murder and steal anyway, so why even try to stop them ?
Are you high?
moto, do you read what you write? Laws against murder and theft most assuredly do NOT stop legal murder and theft. Witness the way that TX executes anyone who is the wrong ethnic group regardless of the evidence. And how the Wall St. masters of the universe are allowed to steal people's savings.
motoricker-
Why are you arguing with people? Shouldn't you be waiting in line with the rest of the "pro-lifers" to adopt? No, there's no line?
They probably couldn't afford the 4 Cosmo's it used to take to get them "in the mood".
Republicans are out of the White House no nobody is getting screwed.
Good one.
The more atheistic we become, the more anticonception is used, the less abortions are performed
It has nothing to do with becoming more secular or atheistic. Roughly eighty-five percent of women use birth control at some point in their lives. They can't all be atheists or Pagans or something. Besides, the Protestant religions don't forbid birth control anyway.
And something over 80% of catholic women use birth control much to the chagrin of the old coots in red bathrobes.
This is terrible news. We need more abortions and quick. Now what choice will they need to vote for.
This is a classic "liberal solution" to a problem. Abortions increased dramatically after the liberalization of abortion laws and Row vs Wade, increaseing by 600-800%
But now a statistically insignificant "dip" of 5% shows that their efforts are "working"
Historical abortion statistics at http://www.guttmacher.org/presentations/trends.pdf
Considering we have no reliable statitics of how many abortions were performed before legalization, you can't claim they increased by 600-800%. That's why that graph that your link shows shows "zero" abortions before 1969, when we know they were being performed, albeit illegally.
Citations for your numbers, please. There is no way they came from a valid source. In order to determine an increase, we would have to know how many illegal abortions were performed prior to Roe v Wade. Stop making crap up.
And many times women would butcher themselves with objects such as coat hangers in an attempt to perform self-abortions. There aren't any stats on that either.
Fortunately, the ruling of Roe allowed women to seek safe, medically practiced abortions, so they would no longer undergo coat hangar and back alley abortions.
Child Abuse reports are down by 70% in countries where the legal abortion age limit has been raised to 6 years old!
Just keep making things up.
Troll is as Troll does.
Good for the unborn...
Very sad to see this news. There aren't enough abortions.
While the "holy sacrament " of the left is abortion, their fiscal policies have backfired on them. Because of the Obama economy,Mom and Dad have to work 3 minimum wage jobs and are too tired to have sex at the end of the day. How's that for a theory? lol.
Umm, WHICH party is it that wants to bust the unions and abolish minimum wage, forcing people to work 2 and 3 jobs? Not too bright, are ya?
The Obama economy??? Are you forgetting when this thing started? Are you forgetting that in the last four years there have been more jobs created than in the previous eight? Are you ignoring the fact that the only reason that even more jobs haven't been created is because of right wing obstructionism? It isn't that they don't understand that government spending creates jobs because otherwise they wouldn't have been there with hat in hand asking for money from the stimulus like Ryan did on at least four separate occasions. So the only other possibility for their obstructionism is that they want to create as much of a mess as possible. It's called Disaster Capitalism where people with power and money take advantage of other people's misfortunes to further enrich themselves.
dkm - When you don't have a valid argument, blame Bush.
It's really getting old.
This will come as a shock to the Catholic church also known as the republican God party. They have been calling President Obama the abortion president all during the election on the Catholic propoganda tv channel. Bearing false witness, wonder if they will admit that one.
Does anyone here honestly think abortion is a good thing?
If so, please explain.
What is a good thing is women's autonomy and freedom to engage in those medical procedures decided upon between her and her doctor without interference from some stranger. What is a good thing is that, even though distasteful medical procedures are sometimes necessary, they save lives, and every individual has the right to determine that risk/benefit for themselves. What is good is that women are no longer subjected to back alley procedures, thus losing their lives and impairing their fertility for the remainder of their lives. Choice is a good thing. Choice is something you make for yourself, not another.
And what exactly is that "choice" that is occurring? The killing of an innocent human being. To say that someone has the "choice" to eliminate another human being is sick. And killing others is just a "distasteful medical procedure"!!! Do I have the "choice" to eliminate you? Why not, only because it's illegal? Perhaps that is restricting my freedom and rights and we need to change that law...
When people have to use euphemisms like "choice" to avoid talking about the reality, you know there is an irrational position there; as well when they start to deny that it is a human being, and they will descend into endless twisting arguments to try and explain it. Then they will get frustrated and just call you "anti-choice" and other names.
Chris, you see it as the "killing of an innocent human being." Others see it as removing a clump of cells or an organism that has the potential to grow into a fully formed human being.
Not everyone equates sperm meeting egg with a human being.
Biologists for one. If when sperm meets an egg is when the soul is created and infused into the unborn, there are a ton of blastula souls in heaven/hell. (Many denominations dictate that babies must be baptized to cleanse them of the original sin. If the baby dies before this can happen, they must go to hell as sinners. Many do not subscribe to this line of thought, because it doesn't seem like something God, who is Just, would do.) Blastula phase of development is around 128 cells. This is about the time the egg's resources are depleted and the blastula's genome must activate. It is do or die. Many die. 50% of them will not survive.
Biologists do not deal in "souls."
That's up to the individual seeking one.
Abortion isn't killing and a fetus isn't yet human.
The SCOTUS and the law says someone has that choice!
See my first statement!
Your freedom ends where another's begins!
The reality is "choice" is a legally protected right! What's irrational is wanting to eliminate that right!
No such thing as a soul!
Ok, now i know we're dealing with a delusional rant here!
Great god you have there for allowing that to happen! >sarc<
Many probably don't subscribe to that line of thought because it's absurd and there is no such thing as a god!
I don't think you drank enough Kool-Aid...
Chris,
You are free to make that choice based on whatever belief system you adhere to. However, you are not free to impose your choice on another. Period. I am perfectly capable of making my own decisions. I do not need your uninformed assistance, thank you.
I disagree with abortion but at the same-time it is a woman's right to make that decision; not the government and not old men in white and red bath-robes.
no, it's a great thing.
and the fact you are here proves there needs to be more of them.