This isn't a Darwin candidate. This is a tragic situation that the young lady did NOT deserve. I'm guessing you never consumed a drink handed to you by a bartender?

Just a little bit of intelligence would have helped this lady know that anything making a drink fog over is not going to be good to ingest. Of course she may have already been too drunk to realize that, hence why I have stayed away from alcohol.

What 18 year old girl drinks Scotch, neat? Margaret Thatcher 100 years ago?

They eat this foggy stuff on the food channel and the "smoke" comes out of their noses. They freeze food instantly with it, and then they eat it. Google it...millions and millions of people are served food and drinks treated with liquid nitrogen.

i dunno what happened to this chick.

Blake, I totally disagree. The poor girl did nothing more than trust the bartender - who was supposed to be a professional - to give her a drink that she could safely consume. And, I guarantee you that a poll of 18-year-olds will result in a very low percentage with any knowledge of liquid nitrogen.

I predict a very large settlement from this lawsuit... obviously the bartender was drunk and put too much liquid nitrogen in the drink. I seriously doubt it will even get to court. The bartender owes this woman a stomach.

There's nothing you would try that is steaming? Well then you don't eat much freshly cooked hot food, do you? Steam was rising from the hot meal I put out for last night's dinner. And I'm quite sure it was safe, so looks like it depends on your frame of reference, huh? Come on. . . If I order a drink at a reputable club or bar, I'm going to assume that what is in the drink is safe for consumption, and I'm older than 18. She may be old enough to know what liquid nitrogen is, but that doesn't mean she does know, particularly if she's not a science major. It doesn't mean she's gullible, or that she was already too drunk to care. It can simply mean that she's only 18, not science-minded, out with her friends to have fun. . . and wow, look at those cool drinks! I think I'll have one of those. . . with the reasonable assumption that if it is legally being served, it is safe to drink. Sounds to me as though the bartender added too much or didn't wait long enough for all of the liquid to become that foggy gas before serving, and this poor girl is paying for the mistake.

I hope she recovers without further complications.

How about we legalize marijuana and really look at alcohol as what it is...a drug. Alcohol is the #1 killer, and although you can't put "Died of alcoholism" on death certificates, it is responsible for many deaths. DUI, Stomach cancer, esophogeal cancer, diabetes, heart disease...you name it.

"WINE is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosever is deceived tyhereby is not wise(Pro. 20:1)."

Why mess up your brain cell, it you got any?

alcohol, liquour does more damage than what a lot of people realize!

Be wise, do not drink or guzzle the stuff!

Actually Diverdown, they can put "alcoholism" on a death certificate.

This accident however was not caused by alcohol but by liquid nitrogen.

I can't believe a bar would serve this.

Diverdown1

I think you have smoked one too many. They can put it on a death certificate and Alcohol is not the as big of killer as drugs. As for alcohol being a drug, it isn't a drug. its a poison. Thats what causes the affects on your system. Your liver can't get it out of your system fast enough. as for the puffpuff, yeah, thats no better nor worse for the body. The only thing is, the occasional puff can have more lasting effects where the occasional drink does not.

If it was still liquid it would have a temperature around -325°F. A small amount in a drink would boil (not hotly) and turn to gas in a few seconds. So unless she downed her entire drink seconds after it was made, while the liqN2 was still boiling, I don't see how she could have managed this. But even if she did the drink would have been seriously cold if there was enough liqN2 to distend her stomach. She should have noticed that the drink was painfully cold.

Liquid nitrogen freezing a hole in her...I can't stomach the thought.

jerry-1795679

"WINE is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosever is deceived tyhereby is not wise(Pro. 20:1)."

Be wise, do not drink or guzzle the stuff!

Why not? "Jesus" did.

Now she has to face life without a stomach and live with a feeding tube. We never seem to run out of stupid people on this planet.

Berenerd

Diverdown1

I think you have smoked one too many. They can put it on a death certificate and Alcohol is not the as big of killer as drugs. As for alcohol being a drug, it isn't a drug. its a poison. Thats what causes the affects on your system. Your liver can't get it out of your system fast enough. as for the puffpuff, yeah, thats no better nor worse for the body. The only thing is, the occasional puff can have more lasting effects where the occasional drink does not.

Exscuse me, your ignorance is showing.

This is sad and tragic. Not her fault, could have happened to anyone with a life.

Did you guys READ the story? Bars serve drinks with liquid nitrogen. It is not stupid or naive to assume that the drink the bartender prepares for you will not burn a hole in your stomach.

Ya know, I would have drank it too. You would think it was safe. Poor woman, It was the bartenders fault!

We have evolved into tools that lack compassion and respond to tragedies involving our fellow man with "Darwin blah blah blah"

Can you say lawsuit!!! This girl is going to have problems for the rest of her life, but money will not be one of them. I doubt that the bar that served this drink will still be in business once the lawsuit over this incident is settled. The bartender obviously screwed up and put too much liquid nitrogen in the drink or served it far too quickly before all the liquid nitrogen had vaporized. The drink must have been boiling in the glass when she downed it if there were still liquid nitrogen in the mix. In a glass at room temperature liquid nitrogen would boil into a gas very quickly. I am surprised the girl did not end up with burns in her mouth and all the way down her esophagus from the cold of the liquid nitrogen. This must have been some kind of shot that she downed very quickly for this to have gotten to her stomach without doing other damage on the way down. I am amazed at the stupidity of people to drink things like this and the stupidity of bars to be so desperate for a gimmick to drive more business that they would serve something like this to their patrons.

"rkaraliusBlake, I totally disagree. The poor girl did nothing more than trust the bartender - who was supposed to be a professional -"

What is a Professional Bartender? LOL My guess is the bar serves these all the time I guess the Professional Bartender got the amounts wrong.

"Now she has to face life without a stomach and live with a feeding tube. We never seem to run out of stupid people on this planet."

Who's that you? This stuff is commonly used (why I don't know) If you walked into a bar or restaurant that was serving a drink that made fog you'd probably order one also. Its a gimmick used to sell drinks. The real question is should it be allowed? Is it against the law? What happened this time that caused all the stomach damage? Did the Bartender want to kill her?

What's stupid is that a lot of you think this girl just drank a big glass of liquid nitrogen when in reality she did the same thing hundreds, if not, thousands did before her. I don't think that makes her stupid. It makes whoever allowed this to be added to drinks legal stupid.

"Berenerd

Diverdown1

I think you have smoked one too many. They can put it on a death certificate and Alcohol is not the as big of killer as drugs. As for alcohol being a drug, it isn't a drug. its a poison. Thats what causes the affects on your system. Your liver can't get it out of your system fast enough. as for the puffpuff, yeah, thats no better nor worse for the body. The only thing is, the occasional puff can have more lasting effects where the occasional drink does not."

OMG you don't have a clue do you?

Berenerd

I think you have smoked one too many. They can put it on a death certificate and Alcohol is not the as big of killer as drugs. As for alcohol being a drug, it isn't a drug. its a poison. Thats what causes the affects on your system. Your liver can't get it out of your system fast enough. as for the puffpuff, yeah, thats no better nor worse for the body. The only thing is, the occasional puff can have more lasting effects where the occasional drink does not.

Where do you get your information? I'll ignore the semantic contortions you try to make with "drug" vs "poison" but it's irrelevant anyway. Alcohol is a major killer, pot never killed anyone, tobacco is an even bigger killer. Marijuana is safe for adults compared to alcohol or tobacco.

Darwin awards only go to those who die or otherwise can no longer reproduce.

Has anyone ever considered that there is a life span for genome, and that ours has run its course. Every day, people do dumber and dumberer things in search of entertainment. How about when humanity was in search of truths and innovation rather than a momentary distraction.

@ lOKAY5:

Well then,little boy, if you don't want to hear anything from people of faith, then your ears should be plugged up and you can walk around in peace and quiet... and be stupid and ignorant your ENTIRE life.

Good thing for her England has a National Health Care Plan.

In this Country she would have to cover the associated medical costs herself and then hire a Lawyer and sue for damages then wait for the appeals....meanwhile she loses her job and has to move back home where her parents get to support her...In the end the bar owner claims ignorance and the bartender with no insurance claims ignorance.....she files bankruptcy and is permanently damaged.....etc....what a effing mess.

Did you guys READ the story? Bars serve drinks with liquid nitrogen. It is not stupid or naive to assume that the drink the bartender prepares for you will not burn a hole in your stomach.

Actually it is stupid or naive to assume that putting liquid nitrogen in a drink is safe or harmless. If you know the bar your going to puts liquid nitrogen in their drinks and you order one knowingly that it has liquid nitrogen in it that is stupid. It is stupid to consume such a beverage that contains it. Considering all people in secondary school take a class in Chemistry, she would have known about nitrogen and what happens to the elements when turned into a gas.

As Professor of food physics at Leeds University Malcolm Povey says in the article:

...the idea that people put this stuff in drinks is just unbelievable

Noliving,

I have to agree. This just doesn't sound even remotely safe. You would think people have a basic understanding of what liquid nitrogen is and the potential for harm but I know that a lot of young people here in the US are pretty clueless about anything of a scientific nature. Maybe it's just as bad in the UK.

Seems too that when it comes to getting drunk, kids do some crazy stupid things. I just recently heard about the vodka enema thing, which seems totally unbelievable. The idea itself is crazy enough, but just the thought of getting together with some friends for a couple vodka enemas doesn't seem like a fun social evening. I guess I must just be getting old.

The restaurant owner put the drink on the menu and provided the liquid nitrogen so ultimately the restaurant is responsible. The girl had reason to expect food offered for consumption should be safe to eat / drink unless she was asked to sign a release (as is done for puffer fish) however a bit of commonsense is in order. anyone having read the article would probably be wise enough not to trust a foggy drink to be safe. Unfortunately reading / learning from other's mistakes seems to be a dying art form. I hope the girl is able to sue but no amount of money could equal the cost to her on a personal level.

Food alcohol is not a poison, rubbing alcohol is. Please learn the difference between food, good drugs, bad drugs, poison and corrosives. Our contemporary language is deficit in concepts, do not only depend solely on words.

Maybe if society was more intelligent or less gullible, questionable ingredients would not be in much of our processed food.

It is apparent that the ilk of No living, Dark Shadow-1701, Ingigo Rage and Rontron - are just hateful.

Wow, that's it, I'm switching to drinking liquid helium!

Now that's cold.

~4K

They use it at Maestro's in Beverly Hills. I eat there often. Never had a problem and the effect on the shrimp cocktail serving is amazing. My heart goes out to the young lady.

May I suggest you wash down that shrimp cocktail with a couple of foggy drinks.

Drink up, Tim. Drink up!

I don't think it's exactly possible to "get well" after having a stomach removed.

The only effect it would have on shrimp is to cool them . Pretentious.

Zack,

You really dont know much about the food industry or chemestry.

Banning liquid nitrogen will never happen.

Liquid nitrogen is used to freeze many types of food products, so that it can be safely consumed at a later time.

BTW you are breathing in nitrogen right now our atmosphere is around 78% nitrogen.

You can misuse almost anything.

Like dry ice, you cant ship food or freeze it quickly without it under a LOT of circumstances.

Besides, there is no such thing as "food grade" N-2. N-2 has the potential of becoming contaminated with heavy metal during production and can be stored in dewars and tanks lined with lead. N-2 is not food... as in making ice cream, drinks, etc.

The problem is that a bartender is handling liquid nitrogen instead of a chemist, who has to attend mandatory federal, state, and local health and safety courses in order to work in a laboratory with the same material.

I do not expect a bartender to fully understand the chemistry behind liquid nitrogen, despite what was learned in bartender school.

Eventually, what will happen is that the local laws or a parliamentary statute (their federal laws) will be passed in the UK to prohibit the use of things like liquid nitrogen for novelty purposes (to create a fog or make it cool) in drinks or food (also in light of the no food-grade N2 comment above), especially since this is more or less a fad that has recently emerged in the past couple of years.

No, it isn't a good idea to drink something that's minus 321 degrees Fahrenheit in liquid phase, but what 18-year-old is going to know that???

Really, we are talking 18 here not 8. I would hope most if not all 18 year-olds would know that.

I would guess more than half the population of any age wouldn't have any real knowledge of the dangers of liquid nitrogen.

Really how many of you know liquid nitrogen is minus 321 degrees F in liquid stage ? I would assume if it is being served in a public establishment, it wouldn't be something that could kill you. If she was too drunk, the bartender shouldn't have been serving her anything.

This article doesn't say it, but I read in a different article that they were out drinking to celebrate her 18th birthday, so she was just turning 18. She clearly didn't have a lot of experience drinking in bars, and put her trust in the bartender. With the whole molecular gastronomy craze, liquid nitrogen is used in all kinds of food and drinks in thousands of bars and restaurants across the nation. This particular bartender screwed up. The girl was not at fault. She just happened to get the drink that was not prepared right. If she didn't drink it, the next person would have.

There is something that doesn't sound right about this story. I work with liquid nitrogen in the lab and know what it can do. I can’t figure out how the drink was consumed WITHOUT also producing extensive burns to the lips, tongue and throat long before it got to the stomach. Kind’a strange.

Bill in Dallas..you beat me to it. Hard to understand why not more injuries.

And moving right along..there is another story up of the guy in Florida who died after eating cockroaches...

I mean..my ex-wife's lasagna is pretty damn bad...but still looks better than cockroaches... granted not a whole heckavalot, but still wins out over cockroaches...

Anyone who has taken a chemistry class in junior high or high school would know that rkaralius.

Really how many of you know liquid nitrogen is minus 321 degrees F in liquid stage ?

You may not have known how cold exactly liquid nitrogen was but that doesn't mean you didn't know that liquid nitrogen is dangerous cold. How many people here do you think before reading this story would say that sticking your hand in liquid nitrogen is safe?

As Sarah would tell you, that type of knowledge is NOT really necessary dontcha' know - it has NO real practical use in everyday life.

i.e.: "We don't really need Schools, or Higher Education"

@KiMo8104,

There is this stuff called food grade Liquid Nitrogen, it's sold by companies like Airgas.

I found it using this thing called Google

and how many kids actually pay attention in high school for 100% of the time? Zone out for 5 minutes and bam, miss the liquid nitrogen section of chemistry. I could also very easily see someone knowing about liquid nitrogen, and not making the connection that that's what was making the fog. (which is not, incidentally nitrogen, but rather the water in the air condensing from the cold)

Chemistry is not a high school requirement, it is one of a group of classes, like biology or physics, which fulfills something called a science requirement. Since all of the sciences overlap, the subject of chemistry might be discussed a little in a different science class, but not to the point of where one could say that they know the basics of chemistry 100.

hmmmm imagine that rightwingnuts.......nothing a little government regulation can't fix.

Ummm, yes if you dip it in liquid nitrogen and hold it there for a few minutes. Theoretically possible but not likely. I've used liquid nitrogen in the lab hundreds of times and it's not dangerous unless you are careless or stupid about how you handle it... or drink it!

Liquid nitrogen is used in laboratories and industry to produce very low temperatures. It is very dangerous and should not contact the human body unless being used by a medical doctor for purposes such as destroying tumor tissue.

so if you stick your weiner in liquid nitrogen, you can then shatter it like glass.lol

I think the finger example was sufficient bobby, but yes, also your weiner. But you would have to hold it there for a bit and smack it with a hammer.

You can actually hold small droplets in your hand. They will boil and bounce around like water on a hot skillet. The nitrogen gas that boils off forms a layer between the droplet and your skin so you don't get burned.

You'd be better off getting your education from Discovery Channel rather than AMC.

What will shatter like glass?--- The finger itself??? That sounds très dangereux!

bobby-3132817 said:

"so if you stick your weiner in liquid nitrogen, you can then shatter it like glass.lol"

We're not sure, bobby. Why don't you get yourself some N2 and give it a try. Let us know how it works out.

We'll notify the Darwin Awards Board for a potential candidate.

Lokay5: Don't you get tired of that Darwin Awards joke? Might have been funny 15 or 20 years ago when it was first used, but not now. It's dead, overused and should be buried along with "drink the kool aid" and "I have a bridge to sell you"

It's not as tired as some clown wondering if his weiner would freeze, as though its differently constructed than any other body part. Beavis and Butthead might have been funny 15 or 20 years ago. Now its tired even for a twelve year old.

I don't understand how this is possible because the stuff's only meant for highly controlled conditional use of medical personnel and other related professionals. Strange the bartender was able to use it and why he didn't understand the danger is beyond me.

Robert619

How about the expression "Bite me"?

Is that one out-dated?

I know Matt. I was thinking the same two things.

You could get a similar situation if you swallowed a chip of dry ice in a drink: expanding gas in the stomach, along with freeze burns of tissue.

A co-worker of mine wound up in the hospital after accidentally swallowing a portion of dry ice in a Halloween party drink. She burned her throat and had trouble breathing.

This is a case where I'm all for huge lawsuits. This bar does not deserve to remain open. From the sound of it, this woman could not possibly have had any idea of the danger, and it is completely irresponsible that the bar even serves drinks with this stuff in them.

You should be at least 64 to drink liquid nitrogen.

Most EU is age 18 (Including England) for drinking age
A few in EU have no drinking age limits (Greecen, Albania, Montenegro*, Norway*, Poland*, Romania*, Sweden**)
Age 10 in Denmark
Several are age 16
...and a very slim few are 20

None are age 21.
*=Beer/wine is NONE, spirits are usuallu 16 or 18.
**=There are several sub-rules for Sweden: Drinking private is no age limit (party, home etc). Beer/Wine no limit. Being served anthing stonger depends on where you are and what type of establishment, but 18 is the "rule" but they can make is age 21 to get in. 20 to buy at liquor store (There is only 1 store in Sweden, and it's government controlled).

Age is a number, nothing more, nothing less, a make believe guideline after age 12 or puberty. Human nature overrides logic reasoning every-time. It's a learning curve, some make it, some don't. I hope she makes it, but people will do what they want. It's a sad story, she thought it was safe, or why would they serve it. People write books, make movies, make documentaries all the time about the dangers of alcohol and drugs.. It always come down to the individual choice. I've never heard of this drink, but rest assured, someone reading this will wonder what it's like and try it. Human nature, it's a butt kicker..

@Boromir,

I would more say "Stomach kicker" in this ...

@ Fox Putill

You are very wrong in respect of the drinking age in Norway.

You have to be 18 years old to buy alcohol, and even then, you can't buy anything above 22%.

You'll have to be 20 to do that. The reason for this, I suppose, is because the Norwegian government is pretty cautious, and want to avoid having drunk teens all over, prevent them from developing unhealthy habits, or end up hurt because of carelessness.
Also, just as a side note, at most bars, clubs etc, there is an age restriction, and you have to be 20-21 years old to enter (isn't often you'll come across somewhere, where 18 year olds can enter)

Normal stores aren't allowed to sell anything above 4,7%, which basically means you can get beer, cider and some alcopops. Also, you don't get to buy alcohol from stores after 8 PM on weekdays, and after 6 PM on Saturdays. Stores are generally not open on Sundays, but on the rare occations they are, they don't sell alcohol.

If you want something stronger than the 4,7%, you'll have to go to the "wine monopoly" (vinmonopolet).

As the name suggest, they have the monopoly on all sale of alcohol in Norway (except from what's being sold at the grocery stores), and this is why the prices on alcohol (intentionally) are pretty high.

The monopoly closes at 4 PM on weekdays
So Norway is pretty strict when it comes to alcohol and drinking.

@Nina
Sorry, I got my stats from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_drinking_age" and didn't go into a in depth research.. I only know Sweden and UK because I travel between then often.

I will follow that list up with a "Verify the local laws any time you are in a unfamiliar country regardless of what you find said in a forum on the internet!" ;)

Boromir, 18 years old for legal purposes, is not a made-up age. It is based upon cognitive development, which if development is progressing, the mind can absorb information that is taught in high schools and do tasks like operate automobiles. Of course some do not make the grade on one or more of these things. The point is, at 18, a majority can be found to have past crucial developmental hurdles which will allow them to operate in society as individuals.

I wonder the same thing about removing her stomach, and thought the same thing when I was told I had to have my colon removed. Stomach's a little different though......seems more madatory than a colon.

It must have been like an ice cube that went straight down and then did it's dirty work while sitting in one place in the stomach.

Knew a guy who had stomach cancer who had 90% of his stomach removed. He had to eat a incredibly nutritionally dense diet and even then couldn't maintain any weight. I suspect they removed most of the stomach. I don't think you can live with the entire stomach removed, but there may be a way.

almost all of you digestion is done in the small intestine. They will bypass where the stomach was an if luck she can eat baby food and supplement drinks the rest of the life. I know this because my dad has had 3/4's of his stomach removed due to bleeding ulcers. Last time was in 1972. He was told that if he had one more bleeding ulcer they would remove his stomach and he'd be on a baby food diet the rest of his life.

Dewars are not lead-lined. Laboratory scale Dewars are made of glass. Large Dewars are stainless steel. The solubility of metals in LN2 is, for all practical purposes, zero.

You must have meant "One Day At a Time" from the 1970's era right?

Sure, things that have been frozen with liquid nitrogen are safe. Liquid nitrogen itself? NOT SO MUCH.

You pour the liquid notrogen into the cream.

The boiling point of nitrogen is MINUS 321 degrees F. Expansion rate from liquid to gas is almost 700x. In liquid phase it's dangerous not just because it's so insanely cold, but if it becomes trapped (like in a stomach) before evaporating, the expansion is extremely fast with huge volume increases. You really want instant ice cream that bad, you go for it.

You eat the ice cream after all the LN2 has evaporated to a gas.

And that is also when you serve the LN2 cocktails. I'm sure nobody's dumb enough to serve it in ice cream before it evaporates - which is probably the same thing people have been saying about LN2 cocktails all this time. Thanks for the article MSNBC, I never would have thought anyone would be so absent-minded to try this.

The safety gear I had to wear when using it to cool computer components was enough to make me realize how dangerous this stuff is. Never played with it on bare skin, was always too afraid to.

Lots of frozen food has been processed through liquid nitrogen freeze tunnels for decades. Lots of advantages for a process that freezes this quickly for many types of foods. In many of these tunnels, the liquid nitrogen is sprayed directly onto the product, freezing it very quickly, almost instantly.

GayAtheistMarine,

I find your avatar offensive!

Now before you get your panties in a wad, imagine how you would react if I had an avatar that was a couple of gay guys kissing with the whole red circle with a line through it thingy.

The fact that you aren't blessed with a belief in God doesn't make your actions cute, it just magnifies your ignorance.

GayAthiestMarine's avatar is simply a desperate cry for attention and affirmation of his bigoted beliefs along with a healthy dose of self serving aggression towards people he considers inferior.

Sad really.

You can survive without a stomach as nutrients are largely absorbed by the small intenstine... but clearly her life will be drastically impacted as she can't eat more than a few mouth-fulls at a time. Perhaps there is or may someday an artificial stomach? I've never heard of one but that may be an option at some point.

Sad story for this young woman that apparently did nothing wrong but trust a bartender that served her a deadly drink.

and what kind of logic is that? Common sense is probably obliterated by an injured marijuana brain.

I get to vote on legalizing weed in 30 days. WOOHOO!!!!!

you kill someone in a car crash from DWI, you get a fine and suspended license for a couple month,

you get caught with a gram of weed = 20yrs in prison.

the legal system really has its priorities mixed up.

This bartender MUST have been stoned. Or he was just that stupid.

bobby-3132817 WHAT????? I agree the penalties are overly harsh for getting caught with weed. but nobody and I mean NOBODY gets a slap on the wrist and suspended license for DUI Manslaughter!!! In many states it's Mandatory sentencing of 20 and sometimes as high as 30 years depending on the state. Washington state is the stiffest penalty with mandatory LIFE for DUI Manslaughter.

you kill someone in a car crash from DWI, you get a fine and suspended license for a couple month,

See what pot does to cognizant skills.

Gay Atheist Marine:

Do you really get a kick out of advertising the fact that you are not only a queer (gay, is too modern a word. If you indicated you were gay while in the Marines (up until recently) you wouldn't be called "gay" you would be branded as a QUEER. Also declaring yourself as an atheist is not bettering your image. I wonder which came first in your life... being gay or becoming an atheist. I also wonder which one of those two lifestyles effected the other one. Get a REAL life!

Declaring oneself as a rational person (agnostic or atheist) places them in far higher esteem in my book. As for gay or straight, I couldn't care less about that -- that's not a choice people really get to make. But believing in a non-existent deity? That's all choice, and my opinion is that agnostics and atheists have made the correct one, at least statistically.

And "Ole-Ed," your admonition that he get a "real" life is perplexing. Am I to understand that anyone whose life doesn't match yours or emulate yours is living a "fake" life? That's a stunningly egotistical way of thinking. Think rather highly of yourself, don't ya?

GAM is simply trying to incite by both his name and his logo. Another God hater who likes to provoke. Ho hum. And Think, you are falling right into his plan. Why don't you learn to think for yourself?

The fool has said in his heart, There is no God. Proverbs 14:1

Declaring oneself as a rational person (agnostic or atheist) places them in far higher esteem in my book.

That makes you a bigot.

This was posted before but I think it needs addressed:

Most EU is age 18 (Including England) for drinking age
A few in EU have no drinking age limits (Greecen, Albania, Montenegro*, Norway*, Poland*, Romania*, Sweden**)
Age 10 in Denmark
Several are age 16
...and a very slim few are 20

None are age 21.
*=Beer/wine is NONE, spirits are usuallu 16 or 18.
**=There are several sub-rules for Sweden: Drinking private is no age limit (party, home etc). Beer/Wine no limit. Being served anthing stonger depends on where you are and what type of establishment, but 18 is the "rule" but they can make is age 21 to get in. 20 to buy at liquor store (There is only 1 store in Sweden, and it's government controlled).

As a related note, most countries around the world are 18 drinking age.

And you generally consider something you purchase in a regulated, legal business to be safe for consumption. The fault lies entirely with the bartender, if not the entire establishent.

@gone4now
True, and I agree.
But the question I replied to was likely posted by an USA based person... and....well... USA based people tend to think the whole world operates on USA rules and policies, and they get very annoyed when they don't.
(I point out I am a NON-USA based American, I left the USA in '98.. I'm still American, I'm just more 'globally aware')

It was the person ordering AND the bartender... the age has literally NOTHING to do with it. I live in Iowa. The legal age when I turned 18 was 18. I did not go to bars and order something that I did not know and understand. I went to parties, were we mixed a brew, and threw dry ice in for the effect at Halloween. We had enough sense to NOT swallow the dry ice. I live with a tank of liquid oxygen in my home today. My hubby needs it to breath. We transfer it to a portable device when we have to go out. It is liquid. When the temperature of liquid oxygen is greater then -118.6 C, the liquid will return back into a gas regardless of the pressure exerted on it. I can tell you a single drop of this on bare feet from the portable tank is an instant 3rd degree burn. Been there, burned the feet with cold. Why this stuff is being served in a bar is beyond reason...

A teenager in Europe is still a teenager and is not mature enough to make smart choices. Just because the age is 18 there does not mean that is a good idea. Maybe America is smarter.

A steampunk zombie? Interesting drink name.

Hehehehe @plork

Bazinga!

I can't stomach that pun.

You guys are cold!

You may think you're a gas, but I'm just fuming!