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Actor Johnny Lewis, 28, who starred in the series "Sons of Anarchy."
Johnny Lewis, an actor in the popular “Sons of Anarchy” motorcycle-gang cable drama, died early Wednesday in Los Angeles, suspected of killing his 81-year-old former landlord, Catherine Davis, and possibly himself.
Police think the 28-year-old rising star, who played Kip 'Half-sack' Epps on the FX show, may have been under the influence of a drug few have heard of, a substance known informally as “Smiles.”
It’s part of a new wave of synthetic drugs finding their way onto America’s streets and into its clubs. With the chemical name 2,5-dimethoxy-4-iodophenethylamine, it is known by drug agents and chemists as 2C-I, part of a closely-related family of “2C” drugs.
While Smiles may seem obscure, it’s already done damage, and not just in drug-hip Hollywood.
When 18-year-old Adam Budge of East Grand Forks, Minn., gave a derivative of the Smiles drug to his buddy, 17-year-old Elijah Stai, of nearby Park Rapids this year, Stai wound up dead. The drug was supposed to be a cheap, harmless high. But within an hour of mixing the powder into some chocolate and eating it, Stai was convulsing, hallucinating, and eventually stopped breathing. Now Budge faces charges that could put him in prison for many years.
But what is Smiles?
Like all the 2C drugs, it’s a psychoactive, hallucinogenic chemical that alter the brain’s balance of dopamine and serotonin. Smiles is particularly powerful, binding to serotonin receptors in the brain at 20 times the rate of another drug used in schizophrenia research, according to an experiment performed by Purdue University chemists.
The effects of 2C-I, like those of LSD, can last up to eight hours. But because the effects can take time to appear, users may think they haven’t taken enough to get the desired high, and so take more, risking overdose.
The drug can be taken as small tablets, on pieces of blotter paper like LSD, or in powder form, often mixed with something else, like chocolate.
In June, as part of a Substances Control Act overhaul, Congress made 2C-I a schedule I drug -- highly restricted, like methamphetamine. But, explained Drug Enforcement Administration spokesperson Rusty Payne, trying to get government arms around these new drugs is “like playing whack-a-mole. There are just so many emerging chemicals.”
Labs, often located in Europe or Asia, can use legal, common chemicals to produce huge batches of the drugs. Once one formulation is discovered, and banned, all the chemists have to do is slightly alter the structure of the molecules to create another, potentially legal, substitute until that one is banned.
There is no known geographic hot spot for the 2C drugs, unlike, say, methamphetamine, which became known as a rural, small-town problem. The U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration believes that most, if not all, the 2C drugs are being imported to the country, not made domestically.
Often, Payne said, teens rationalize the use of the drugs because they think, or are told, that it’s legal and if it’s legal, it’s safe. Another problem is that users often think they’re taking something else.
“We are getting so many calls because people are dying abusing chemicals that nobody ever heard of,” Payne said. “They’re told it’s harmless. If you can just go buy it somewhere, or on the internet, then it must be safe, but nothing could be further from the truth.”
Users aren’t the only ones who are often in the dark. According to Payne, even the DEA’s own agents are behind the curve when it comes to designer synthetics.
“It’s tough for our agents to stay up to date,” he explained. “Chemicals that used to take years to synthesize now take months. And many chemicals are diverted” from legal uses to illicit ones.
Chemical and pharmacologic research appears in journals, is posted online, and becomes easily available to all. That is often a good thing, but it also allows rogue chemists to use the science to create new analogs of drugs like 2C-I.
The drug “Spice,” for example, which made headlines over the past two years as a marijuana substitute, began as a research project by a Clemson chemist named John W. Huffman. He was doing the research under the auspices of the National Institute for Drug Abuse.
“This synthetic stuff is the new frontier of drugs,” Payne said.
Brian Alexander (www.BrianRAlexander.com) is co-author, with Larry Young Ph.D., of "The Chemistry Between Us: Love, Sex and the Science of Attraction," (www.TheChemistryBetweenUs.com), now on sale.
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Yeah, yeah - blame it on the Sons! Like so many other articles, we wouldn't be having this conversation if they just legalized marijuana - than a lot of these people probably wouldn't have to resort to these disgusting synthetic drugs where consumption alone can cause your death or the death of another from your psychosis state. What a shame!
Eh... if we were talking about spice or bath salts, I might agree with you but these drugs are closer to Ecstasy or LSD.
I don't think Marijuana scratches the same itch that X or LSD do.
Excuse me people...he may have beaten an 81 yr old woman to death.CATHERINE DAVIS...and everyone wants to breakdown his drug of choice/issues?
The last time I saw Mitt on TV he seemed to be on smiles
just a user looks like a tweeker for many years. Now he is gone and the world is a bit safer
Jo Mamma: I'm as for the legalization of marijuana as anyone (it being illegal is ridiculous), but I have to disagree with you that doing so will curb the use of other drugs. That isn't how casual drug users think. Not to mention, the loss of revenue to the major dealers and cartels will probably just have them pushing other, harder drugs.
I agree, but a lot of these people doing these synthetic drugs, regardless of what they're supposed to imitate, are young kids who probably think because it's legal and is sold in liquor stores or your neighborhood mart that it's OK to do. So by allowing that trash to be legal, we're sending the wrong message to young kids who are the casual drug users, mostly, and giving the illusion that they're safer than illicit drugs, including marijuana.
Legalizing marijuana would prevent this? What an ignorant statement. Anybody can buy weed anywhere, anytime, legal or not. And it is probably cheaper than Smiles. This was just another junkie looking for a different, better high. Another idiot who can't face life like a man. Has to have drugs instead of character. Lock up all drug addicts and throw away the key. Put all drug dealers to death; they are murderers. End of drug problem.
Jo Mamma: The big thing in schools these days is prescription drug abuse, which is easily accessible and technically legal (ish). The only thing that is accomplished when something is illegal is driving prices and crime rates higher, people are going to get ahold of what they want to either way.
@Jack Colton
While you are somewhat correct I think the main reason why legalizing cannabis will reduce the use of other drugs is because it takes the pot sales out of the realm of the dealer.
I haven't smoked pot in 30 years, and it has been even longer since I have done anything else. What I don't think has changed is dealers need to make their money. It used to be if you went to the dealer to pick up some weed he would offer a "Free Sample". I had free samples of Coke, Hashish, LSD, Mushrooms, Peyote, but anything was available.
That is the reason why I think legalization would reduce the drug problem. Get the casual pot user away from the illegal dealer that wants/needs to make money. Drug pushers "Push" other drugs. They need traffic to succeed.
These modern synthetic drugs can cause users to appear functionally normal in their speech and behavior, while they are utterly delusional in their assessments and assertions. A user can be in a situation where he is at an obvious disadvantage, and yet believe that he is "winning". To observers, the user might appear to be simply dishonest or ignorant. But in fact, he is resolutely convinced that his perspective is accurate while he is under the influence of a mind-altering chemical that inhibits a rational and objective view of reality. The result is that the user will rationalize results and obfuscate data to fit a view of reality that he prefers. For example, a user would maintain, with sincere belief, that the economy is in decline, half the population is on welfare, and his popularity is rising instead of falling.
tiredofthelunacy-
sure, let's lock up or execute half of the country.
any other bright ideas?
wow, that didn't take long for the "legalize marijuana!! it will bring about world peace!!" people to come out.
This guy acted in Sons of Anarchy but he lived Breaking Bad.
Keep up the good work...the more of you that do yourselves in leave more space/air/food/etc for us.....
tiredofthelunacy :If they locked up & Executed half of the Country They Need to do it before November 6th, That Would Eliminate 99% of Obama's Voters..
Just because you can light it or ingest it, does not mean you should. While I don't use marijuana, I do think it should be legalized. But none of this negates the fact that he beat his landlord to death before he died, because of drugs.
Say, BloodthirstySavage -
Nicely done. Very nicely done.
Jerry, you are in ill-informed fool.... your hero Cheney almost killed his friend while tipsy on a legal drug.
bloodthirstysavage, that was clever!
no pity from me all these people have more money than they know what to do with and this is how they end up. they are old enough and educated enough to know better but make bad choices. they should know better and if they are bored with their lives why not become a more involved role model or voluneer their time and see what a natural high on life feels like ... my condolences to the family...
Der... yeah, nicoleye, what do you suppose blood meant by that???? 8^]
i'm all smiles... :-) ...
Drugs are for weak-minded sheep!
...cause...they don't know mutton...that was BAAADDD...
Decriminalize-ish it all, take the entire War on Drugs energy and direct it toward information and treatment, flag people with recurring problems to ensure they're not driving or working in positions of high trust.
Designer drugs will always be created by psychonaut types, but the primary push, or demand for them comes from prohibition of other methods of getting "high" that are much more well studied and safe.
As an aside, many great people--Winston Churchill, Ernest Hemingway, every recent president, heck, just a lot of good, effective people have found the desire to get "high". It's part of the human experience. Now, let's try to either make it as safe and little a problem as possible, or let's keep the status quo an expensive, deadly, tragic shooting war with massive health, crime, and budgetary impacts.
So our society demonizes a drug like marijuana which is relatively harmless, keeps the most damaging drug of all legal (alcohol) and inadvertently creates a market for legal alternative designer drugs? It doesn't surprise me at all that some young people are willing to try designer drugs. What our country really needs is a serious and honest awareness campaign and a reclassification of drugs. There just isn't anything funny about this story, the guy took an elderly woman out with him (probably a person that cared about him very much). That is just freakin sad and scary all the way around.
GO HOGS...smile for the coach...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDZDsvhwC-g
Whether it's drinking or other chemically induced ways to get your buzz on, people need to remain in control of themselves, because buzzed or not, you are responsible for your actions. This young man made some really bad choices and now two people (including himself) are dead because of them.
I would hope this "smiles" is quickly taken off the streets, but I also believe we're overdue on discussing the legalization of marijuana. If the real deal weren't illegal, we probably wouldn't be having to deal with the fallout from "legal" substitutes.
So many people, so weak that they can't get through life without ingesting crap in one form or another....to include the "harmless" marijuana....pathetic!
We can not thin the herd fast enough.
Thank you, Me&MINE, for reminding us about his victim, Cathy Davis. Her murder at the hands of this drug-addled savage is being covered as the tragic death of an actor. She is just a footnote, "an elderly landlady." I've never watched anything Lewis was in, but am sick of seeing big glossy photos of his dumb-looking face.
Users are losers.
Just say No.
RIP Ms. Davis. Condolences to her family. F**k him. He killed himself a day too late.
Tired' - so when we lock up all the people who use the drug alcohol...
Conservative rebellion, you use alcohol, therefore you use the most dangerous drug known to mankind and pose a serious threat to the safety of others.
Not to mention you're a hypocrite. Then again I find people who use terms like conservative and liberal tend to be dishonest hypocrites
How would you know if I use alcohol?
leftrightcenter my ass, you think you're omniscient.I'm going with "left".
My guess is you're a druggie idiot who steals to get high.
There, I did it too. I probably nailed mine.
Apparently some people didnt read the article. Its a pyschoactive, very strng drug. Like angel dust people would do things they normally do. I agree legalize marijuana, no one ies from it, smokes a joint and gets into a bar fight or beats their wife.
the real problem is this governments "War On Drugs". just leagalize marijuana and decriminalize possession for personal usage of "harder drugs". Then use all the DEA's force to combat trafficking and manufacture of these very dangerous substances. clear out the overpopulated prison system by releasing simple possession cases and use health care to reform addictions. Too bad the government makes too much money for their own pockets by keeping marijuana illegal at the expense of so many of our children using them as fuel for their machine.
This is NOT even an issue....the real problem is synthetic drugs that kill people...thousands a year! This however are legal, because they are approved....they're also called medicines! Take for example Lipitor, Celebrex!!! These drugs should be "headline" news, and discussed! While "smiles" can become a problem or maybe is, I dont know....our media, and our politicians look passed those drugs because they benefit from it! That bring me to ask...who are the real drug dealers?
Give the idiot a Darwin Award and let's move on.
To Bob434277: Brutal but True. We are in a "drug cultured" Society with BigPharma pulling all the strings and the GuzmanDrugCartels trying to get more than a foothold, meds this, meds that, "pet meds" Egadz!! even pets getting zonked!!!! No wonder And, And! AND!!! the republicanCrimeCartelSoldiers Rommel and Lyin'Ryan are the forefront FOR BIG PHARMA, No national HealthCare System and No "caddilac health insurance policy" for $1600.00 per/month? Sorry if your sick...Die quick!!!!!
Personally, I believe all drugs should be legalized, regulated, and taxed out the hilt... the ONLY way to eliminate a black market is to create a legitimate market in its place... did we not learn ANYTHING from Prohibition? However, with such legalization has to come elements of personal responsibility... the penalties for ABUSE in countries that have laxed their laws are severe... much more severe than our own penalties. And that's how it should be: play within the bounds of the legal market, no worries. Go outside that and become a burden on society and others? Here comes Darwinism... penalties should be severe, your life as you know it should end, and you either accept treatment or jail for life. And if you die because you don't know how to behave? I have no sympathy for you...
Portugal decriminalized(not legalized) all drugs 10 years ago, and instead of wasting billions of dollars to find and apprehend millions of drug users each year and maintain a ridiculously high prison population like here in the US, their government saved money by treating it as a health issue and providing drug addiction recovery programs instead.
Drug abuse obviously skyrocketed during the first year, but then began a steady decline until drug abuse is now Half of what it was originally. Not to mention the annual rate of HIV contraction(from needles, no doubt) has declined as well.
The violent drug cartels in Mexico have a booming business selling illegal drugs and protecting their businesses by killing politicians, sheriffs, journalists etc. This is similar to the mafias and gangs of America during the 1920's alcohol prohibition. These mafias and gangs made profits selling bootleg alcohol while harassing local businesses and having shootouts with rivals over turf. How often do gangs fight over alcohol sales today?
It's not difficult to see that teens who are arrested for non-violent and victimless crimes are likely to be exposed to gang life by the time they're out of juvenile hall. But you're ok with putting them there, for their own good, knowing that Legal prescription drugs, kill more people annually than all the illegal drugs combined.
I believe in non-dependence on any form of drugs. But to say that all drug users are the same and all deserve to just go rot in prison for the rest of their lives is, in my opinion, is extremely ignorant of any sense of morality or logic. You are entitled to your opinion and i am entitled to mine. But can't we agree that there is no benefit to locking people up for non-violent and victimless crimes?
You're talking about a European country with an essentially homogenous, stable population and defined "Portugese" culture. Trying to impose Continental European values in this country will not work. Britain thought that it would adopt a relaxed Continental approach to alcohol with the intent of establishing a "cafe culture"; therefore, it relaxed the licensing laws, allowed sales of alcohol in most any supermarket or mini-mart, and lowered the prices. It worked in France; it worked in Italy; it worked in Germany. It did not work in the UK, nor does it work in Canada or Australia. We have more similar social mores to these Anglo-Saxon countries than we do to the Continent. Our popular culture and behavior is is more akin to them than it is to Europe. Kids don't get involved with drugs because they are illicit or forbidden; kids get involved with drugs because a growing number of pathetic people in the media and pop culture say that they are smarter than parents and that drug use is socially acceptable and hip. Anyone over 21 using illicit drugs needs to get their head out of their fourth point of contact and become an adult.
Wow, you just simultaneously mis-read history and completely misunderstood the number 1 reason kids do anything. Because acting out as a teenager is a means of showing that you are becoming an adult in control of yourself.... as well as a means of showing that you disdain the rules of the "adults".
Teens have ppl in the media telling them drug use is socially acceptable and hip, and, given that teens have no mind of their own, they obviously are powerless to do anything to stop this mind control. (oh, btw, drug use is socially acceptable and hip.. what, you didn't get the memo? go figure, lmao)
People like you who are just ingrate retards are better off just staying completely out of social discourse. You're the reason places like America have spent billions on a jackass's errand drug war. As if stopping drugs had anything whatsoever to do with "becoming an adult". You do realize that amongst working professionals, the drug using % is around 80%? Ya, that means that your dentist probably used something or another in the last month, your lawyer, civil engineers, judges, doctors... When will you straight shooters ever pull YOUR head out of your 4th point of contact, lmao? You're likely the only stone cold sober person in your entire neighborhood. And what is funny about that is, as psychology has shown us, over and over, ppl like you who have such strong opinions against something always bear your crusade due to a secret of your own. So what is your addiction? 11 year olds? I'll just stick to chemicals once every 6 months and go on my happy way in a productive, well paying job tyvm.
There are many different facets to the "drinking problem" in the UK. Supermarkets being allowed to sell alcohol happened years ago. This just helped along the process of closing down pubs because people would buy crappy beer cheap to drink at home even if they went out later. Ultimately, this has made the beer scene weaker because there were fewer and fewer (smaller) craft breweries able to survive on the dwindling number of real ale drinkers. Just look at the decline of the traditional english pub. The price of beer in a pub has not reduced, it has increased a lot and they are now looking at adding even more taxes. This at a time when the english pub is in somewhat of a revival with many craft breweries opening. Ironically, many of them are looking to the US and its craft beer scene for inspiration in this revival. I say ironic as I would blame the US's influence on beer (the bastardization of real lager) as being at fault for a lot of the problems real ale has faced in the UK. It would be better to concentrate improvements towards real ale drinkers and the traditional english pub because those people aren't drinking crap beer just to get loaded.
The beer scene in many places in the US is much different than the UK with food much more a part of it. In fact, many places with thriving craft beer scenes are much more European in style. I say this as a brit living in the US. So, IMO, the UK needs to look to the US for a couple of changes to bridge the gap between the binge drinking culture and the European culture (not that binge drinking doesn't happen in Germany, France, etc, I have experienced it!). Number 1 - more variation in beer. Get people drinking for enjoyment over getting drunk. (This is happening, slowly) Number 2 - emphasis on food. Number 3 - later closing times. Both 2 and 3 can be linked. I was amazed when I first came here that I could still get something to eat, in a bar/pub, at 1:30am. Although opening times have been extended, and in theory a pub can be open till 2am, they generally just stay open till 12. Most problems come from people binge drinking to get their fill before closing, either because they feel their night is ending prematurely or they are heading to a club and don't want to pay the exorbitant prices for more drinks in them. It also doesn't help when you have thousands of people emptying out onto the streets at the same time.
All in all, it will take a couple of generations to see a real change in culture and that hasn't had a chance yet. It doesn't happen overnight.
Sure....keep up the war on drugs.....see what happens? New Drugs worse than the Old drugs. Idiots.
The problem with 2C drugs is not so much the drug, it's more the user. It's almost certain the user didn't know how much of the drug to take, and just took a random amount. A few extra milligrams can kill you. Anyone who takes such drugs without regard for safe doses is stupid and practically deserves to die. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2C-I#Dosage to confirm what I'm talking about. Measurement error is also possible, but still is essentially negligence. Contrary to governmental belief, 2C-I can be used without dying in the process.
For the record, I don't use or advocate the use of illegal drugs. I advocate their legality and proper labeling, so stupid people can OD on them and make the world a better place.
The dosing problem is compounded by the fact that the end user doesn't always know what chemical they are getting. Is it MDMA, LSD, 2C-B, 2C-I....
When dosing is in micro- or milli-grams, a small error can mean the difference between a pleasant hallucinogenic trip, or an unpleasant hospital trip.
So true. I don't think anyone should buy these from a dealer or a local store. They sell these things online where users can rate them.
Other than that, I suppose the generic solution is dose very low initially, and only build up very gradually - not even on the same day. This is by no means foolproof, since LSD dosage is in micrograms whereas that of 2C-I is in milligrams.
Once again, I do not advocate the use of any of these illegal drugs.
What seems to be missing is he wound up murdering an 81 year old woman by beating her to death while under the influence of it.
Ab1981, it was the same and currently is the same for heroin, coke, meth etc. The cr@p is made made in god knows where and by god knows who. If someone is stupid enough to basically ingest a substance of unknown origin sh!t happens. There is no safe amount of who knows how or who made it. It boils down to you can't fix stupid or protect it from itself.
"Contrary to governmental belief, 2C-I can be used without dying in the process."
But WHY??? Why would anyone put an unpredictable, potentially dangerous synthetic chemical in their body? I don't understand this! A street dealer could be selling you anything. It's just such a brainless thing to do!
Another issue with some of the "legal for now" drugs is that there are no set and followed standards in manufacturing, even from one batch to the next with the same manufacturer. What is not enough on one batch might be too much on another. Not sure if the 2C drugs work this way, but I do believe it's the case for bath salts.
There is no safe dose. And anyone who makes these drugs deserves the death penalty, because they have certainly killed dozens, at least, of people whom they have never even met.
Janet-3670291, please find a forum that suits your limited and oppressive intelligence. Such drugs do have legitimate uses in correct doses. If you overdose on tylenol, how is it the drug manufacturer's fault? But start with the Effects section in the Wikipedia article.
GentleTree, JayEll-1204918, Devils son, per what I have been told, there are legitimate scientific labs online that sell these substances as RCs (research chemicals). Anyone can buy them (at a premium) and feel assured they are receiving the correct substance. There are also other sites I won't talk about here.
justathought-3975046, if you had read the Wikipedia article, you would have noted that this drug can be empathogenic. In any case, please also read the comment by user culheath below.
"I think I'll shoot this weird drug into my body so my friends will think I'm cool and I can feel good and party. Let's see, what is the exact safe dose should I use?"
You have a good point, but their judgement is not exactly the best to begin with.
I just wish people would wake up an NOT use drugs, but here we have yet another one destroyed by the lifestyle.
AB, 2c1 or what-ever GARBAGE trashy druggz to get high on are quite easily defined by their content yuno. FYI, It just depends on the ratios of each componant = 1/2 micro-gram of Rat poison to 1gram of arsenic + 2 1/4 grams of drain cleaner + 3 grams of LSD Plus 1 dumbb piece of iddiott >>> and there yu have a simple program for ANY dope roper to follow that quite possibly will/wud lead to their/your deaths.
IF yur an idyiott, ... jus givur a try, >>> caus yu will no doubt die for it!!! Seriously die on account of it, >>> or maybe be confined to a bed for the rest of yur worthless life mebbe! hmmmm yessss itzz a reel high uno-it-2.
Yeah, what denko said.
No one seeking a recreational high "deserves to die" You are a HUUUUGE disgusting a-hole. I wish you could die for that, because you *DO* deserve it.
Denko,
Are you including alcohol users in your group of people you don't think deserve to live?
There may be some legitimate reason to research chemicals such as this, but I fail to see that there is any current legitimate use for this drug. Oh, and the article is Wikipedia is sadly lacking in reputable references and citations. The bias is glaring.
Just to be clear:
There have been "several" deaths due to 2C-I ingestion (not enough for there to be a national registry)
While :
There are approximately 79,000 deaths attributable to excessive alcohol use each year in the United States. This makes excessive alcohol use the 3rd leading lifestyle-related cause of death for the nation.2 Additionally, excessive alcohol use is responsible for 2.3 million years of potential life lost (YPLL) annually, or an average of about 30 years of potential life lost for each death. In the single year 2005, there were more than 1.6 million hospitalizations and more than 4 million emergency room visits4 for alcohol-related conditions.
http://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/fact-sheets/alcohol-use.htm
These sort of articles are basically over-reaction hype from anti-drug use law enforcement types. To these people there is no such thing as drug use, merely abuse.
Note there is no indication about what percentage of people using the substance in question never experience ill effects.
Of the millions of people who used LSD, mescaline/peyote, ecstasy, 2C or other psychotropic drugs (but not including methamphetamine), what percentage were harmed? If you look you, will find it is quite a tiny fraction and that is why I call these articles alarmist.
culheath and all drug users, may I suggest a drug that may benefit not only you but the rest of us. It's called the Socrate's special. Try it.
Bloddthirstysavage or it make you believe all the POTUS and his cronies lies they spew everyday and consider them to be true.
Yes indeed.
What i find amazing as well is the number of ppl "Oh'ing and Ah'ing" at some long drawn out bunch of horse @!$%# journalism like this. Why on earth would the cops have any reason to believe it was smiles? Oh, because ppl are doing it?
Kinda like the "zombie" homeless killer guy that figured HAD to be doing bath salts a few months ago, right? But then whoops, nothing remotely related to bath salts is found in his system. Guy was just flat out schizo, maybe he needed a bed to sleep in and 3 meals a day and figured if he got locked up as a "zombe face chewing maniac" ppl in the joint would give him some peace.
A bunch of brain dead ppl gobbling up cotton candy journalism like this, getting all wrapped up in the heres and theres of a drug that i'll bet 1,000 bucks right now had nothing to do with this.
I mean for God's sakes, they give as a similar example the Stai guy that dies, but thats a case completely and totally unlike what happened with this dude. One guy basically stops breathing and dies. The other goes on a psychotic rampage. Its just as possible if not moreso that this dude was on a legal prescription of "Chantix".... been known to cause ppl to go and do just exactly what this actor guy just did. But, thats not sexy to report on now, is it?
wildike
fyi, i don't do drugs, including alcohol.
Like anything in life, this should be another springboard for EDUCATION. Everyone, starting in the early years of grade school need to be educated about all substances. When they become older, they will have the informatin they need imbedded in them that allows them to make "rational choices". WE NEED TO EDUCATE --- NOT PROSECUTE AND INCARCERATE!
It just blows me away that people are still being persecuted, prosecuted, and penalized for possession of cannabis, me being one of them. I used cannabis that I grew in my home for supressing the pain of arthritis, and for this, for a few measly plants in my home, I have lost my freedom, $25,000 from my savings, and a bitter hatred for my government around this issue. I had a cash bail that was higher than that of people arrested for rape --- yes, rape. An individual was recently arrested for forcibly touching a child and he was released on an appearance ticket for a misdemeanor --- yes, an appearance ticket.
Marijuana is still categorized as a Schedule I drug. Come on government ---- get your head out of your ass. They have now got research data that cannabis (THC) even kills cancer cells --- yes, KILLS CANCER CELLS. It's time that the government realizes that people are going to do what they're going to do. The WAR ON DRUGS is a joke. We will NEVER gets drugs away from anyone that wants to use them. Instead of putting people through all BS with the "justice" system, put the money in to EDUCATION.
How stupid are our lawmakers, anyway? It appears to me that they may not be stupid, but they feel that they are above anyone else in making laws that just do not makes sense. For what ---- don't even bother asking them. All they do is spew ignorant rhetoric that the average Joe should be able to weed through.
IT'S TIME TO MAKE CANNABIS A LEGAL SUBSTANCE AND ALLOW PEOPLE TO DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO. They are doing it anyway.
WANT TO STOP NEEDLESS DEATH AND PAIN? MAKE ALCOHOL AND TOBACCO ILLEGAL. We'll have a much safer and healthier society.
One cannot refute the facts and data out there.
They tried that with alcohol a while ago. It didn't stop the needless death or pain. We just need to realize that prohibition doesn't work. It didn't work in the 1920s, and it's not working now. Let's stop wasting tens of billions of dollars on something we know doesn't work (the so-called "war on drugs") and put the money to better use.
Well after hearing this toxic news, I have to be LOUD AND OBNOXIOUS ABOUT THIS!!! 2CI, is indeed a research chemical drug, but once again the public news stands have found one hell of a way to misconstrue yet another chemical bond to try and scare and "warn" the public. Unlikely that I have ever heard of 2ci being known as SMILES, but more so a fantastic cross between the effects of MDMA and LSD-25. Being as the DEA has always tried to scare the public with harmful effects and death stories, what they fail to actually understand is the nature of its use. 2CI along with any chemical, research or otherwise, is that it is used with compassion by most because they do understand the effects, and well, as for dumb @!$%# Hollywood stars who just take drugs because they are bored, 2CI has been used in conjunction with many other psychedelics to help the ego fade and more so, help the winding down of inner journey. Yes of course people do use it by means of recreational, and some users push the envelope to far, but that is choice, and any individual using substances for any reason should know their own limits. There are far worse substances such as pcp and bath salts. This chemical, and let me make this perfectly clear, IS NOTHING LIKE THESE HARMFUL SUBSTANCES! 2CI does really nothing more than help the user travel through a conscious vortex, like lSD, and make them want to pet fuzzy things. Once again, nice try as for trying to scare the public, and its not like we dont expect the news, gov. ,or any other good ol boy politician to not try and frighten the public about certain substances (most of which THEY HAVE @!$%#ING CREATED!) when they dont even know the real truth themselves. I mean c'mon, there is a @!$%#ing moron running for president trying to control women of america and their ovaries. Free Peoples Govern Themselves, and as such We Choose Our own Destiny. Namaste
From the looks of this dude's picture...it looks like it might've been a shorty step.
Pass the scotch.
Just another drug to annahilate the citizens of the US---when are people going to wise up and stop falling for this crap???
People will never wise up when it comes to taking drugs. So when someone od's,I have no sympathy for them. I personally choose not to take drugs,got better things to spend my money.
Are we looking for excuses here or what?? This was an accident looking for a place to happen. Katie Perry saw it coming. Thankfully it didn't involve many more, this could have been another Aurora.........
This sounds like 2C-I-NBOMe more than 2C-I itself. a few too many milligrams of 2C-I won't do much unless snorted, which is supposedly incredibly painful. A single milligram of 2C-I-NBOMe is a very heavy dose. 2C-I also cannot fit into a blotter successfully. A rogue chemist could easily put 2C-I-NBOMe in a liquid complex and then on a blotter. the NBOMe derivative is my best guess for this case.
also, those comparing this to pot are totally off. it's very LSD like, hallucinations, etc. very, very different from pot.
Finally, someone to put some light on the matter!
The problem is, the large share of ppl who make no distinction between pot, LSD, meth, cocaine, MDMA... all of which have enormously different properties, methods of action, effects.. etc... (ok well, not all are totally different one from another, but you get the point... to some ppl its all the same "poison", but the tylenol on the store shelf that will just as easily kill their liver or themself in major OD is ok.. cuz the laws say so)
You seriously take a drug as completely personally harmless as pot, or.. dare i say opiates (because the danger in them begins when one runs out... as a chemical and as a high they do less to your body than nicotine) and then destroy pplz lives through the justice system because of them, that is by far the more draconian, in bred idiot approach.
The heart of the problem lies in the fact that, probaly upwards of 70% of society, no matter where we are talking about, are sppon fed idiots. They consider everyone BUT them the misinformed or underinformed people who make their way of life worse... yet it is clear when you converse with them that they actually know very little about the world outside of the neighborhood that is fact. THey sure know alot of myths about that world, though. Enough to keep them scared of anything that doesnt look like them, worship like them, think like them or talk like them.
Is it any wonder some of this species seek escape for this tragic mess called humanity?
The largest issues I have with 2C-I-NBOMe is that it is not widely studied and totally unstandardized. Some people have said wonderful things about the drug when administered properly and in controlled doses, but it is unknown what types of long term chemical changes may take place after use.
This makes 2C-I-NBOMe a very dangerous substance. Not only is it active at incredibly low doses, but it is both hallucinogenic (which is dangerous for those without the preparedness necessary to experience such things enjoyably and successfully) and poorly studied in the brain's chemistry. So, one could accidentally ingest far too much of this substance and become problematic, believing it to be a different chemical entirely. According to some who have experience with the 2C family and their NBOMe derivatives, when used properly the substances are apparently enjoyable for those prepared for the intensity of the side effects.
All that being said, drugs should be legal for the sole purpose of treating addiction properly. If you treat addiction as a crime as we currently do, addicts are unlikely to come forward for treatment and open discussion of their problems in fear of being treated like a criminal for having a problem. Addiction is a powerful thing, and should be treated more like a psychological disorder or a medical disorder than a crime. Addicts who feel they should hide their problem and ignore it wind up dead. Addicts who can come forward to treat their problems have hope for recovery. The system as is now, hurts addicts who could be functional members of society. It's unfair to those with problems and with disorders.
CPhil:
I understand your statement but do you think that is the ONLY reason?
i.e Can we legalize pot because people just want to get high without legal repercussions?
ya know, it makes me so dern happy when stupid people like the subject of this article die. Just proves my theory again that 98% of all humanity are either inherently stupid, evil, or ignorant...........nuff said
I guess since you are so dern happy about the death of 2 people..that would lump you into the evil category...correct?
Nuff said
Wait, so someone struggling with drug abuse, murdering others and succumbing to their own addiction makes you happy? Where exactly in your 98 percentile do you fall?
Jack Colton, who says he was struggling. He was almost certainly enjoying it for years.
Well just what we need more durgs. The darwin award list gets longer and longer and the gene pool gets cleaner. Who new!
more "durgs" and who "new"? I'll bet you think you're one of the "selected" ones on your Darwin list when you can't even spell first-grade words.
That's bogus b!tching on the "durgs", elle. That one was clearly just a typo.
yes elle that was a typo. However, people that are stupid enough to take drugs that kill, well exactly what am i supposed to think? There are numerous designer drugs out there that kill, not to mention meth, ( i just need to lose a few pounds yeah that really worked.)
If somebody puts a gun upside their head and pulls the trigger, well, it is unfortunate. But it seems that so many young people cannot deal with the twists and turns that life throws at you. So get drunk, get stoned, ignore it it will go away and if it don't kill yourself. Well ignoring any problem in your life won't go away.
Seems like the guy had a pretty good life going for a while. Wonder what broke and put him down so far he could not get up?
However, OTOH, with all the babies being killed, either thru shaken baby syndrome, or just outright murdered, why am i supposed to feel sorry for the persons committing these acts. I do feel sorry for the murdered children.
the country has gone to hell, and a large portion seem to be enjoying the ride, at least until it kills them.
I also could make a comment about your intelligence, however, i won't. It's an old trick of the libs. When they can't argue a counter point they resort to name calling.
So if these idiots want to kill themselves, then there is little or nothing anyone can do. It's all ok. The Hollyweird idiots make a great point of going into rehab. 50 times. See because its ok, to waste your life using lots of drugs, when you could actually do something with your life. Sad.
thomas:
Why is it that people seem to think the only reason people do drugs is to runaway from some problem? Did you ever stop to THINK that some people do drugs for the fun of it? Did you ever stop to THINK happy people do drugs, too? The notion the only reason people do drugs to escape some problem is a tired worn out piece of crap government D.A.R.E. BS propaganda. Sure, some people do drugs to deal with something bad going on in their lives but that is not the case with everyone.
Stereotypical at best.
Oh Please! As if Republicans don't resort to name calling like "libtards" or "potheads" or, wait for it, "idiots" (look to your last paragraph). Pretty much makes you a hypocrite, huh?
Gee. Tell that to these people:
http://vandergreg.blogspot.com/2012/09/top-50-list-of-famous-marijuana-smokers.html
Your detachment from reality is what is really sad.
I agree with you. I never had any problems to escape from and I smoked for a long time. It was just fun and felt good. Eventually it did become a habit, and boring, so I stopped. Wasn't all that hard to do.
The BS propaganda goes back way before DARE.
When I was in High School we had to watch this anti drug "no propaganda just facts" movie narrated by Sonny Bono.
At about 4:20 into the movie there is a scene that made us all say, "Wow wish I could get my hands on that weed."
About 3 minutes later there is another totally absurd scene with no reality in it what so ever - So much for being unbiased.
Part 1 of 4
I think that is one reason why so many are misinformed about pot, we have been fed lies for over 40 years.
Lovely...why don't everyone just go back to good old fashioned booze and just kick back a few and sleep it off :/. People will shoot up/ snort anything now.
ralahinn1. If it were that easy, but the new generation has come up with binge drinking. great way to end up in the emergency room.
there is no answer in booze, meth, heroin, designer drugs, or even marujuana. Years ago i was around a guy we called parker the 24 hour stone. He went up one time too many and forgot to come down. Never smoked again. Just stayed that way.
There are lots of reasons. Theres always pardy hardy. With whatever drug. They think they are having fun. But on the other side, any of the above cause people to not take care of their mate, their children, and to do really stupid stuff. Eventually the drugs take over their lives and they don't even realize it. Course the old saying of they will eventually hit bottom and get straight is not always true. Sometimes they die. Waste of a good life.
Years ago i worked with alcoholics and drug abusers. I remember one guy in particular. Lost his job, wife, kids, everything that should of mattered. Didn't he had to get drunk. Finally got him sober. And he came back to see me and said he did not understand something. He took his truck, bought a boat, and got a cooler, and went fishing. With cokes only. After about an hour was so bored he came back. He asked me I love to fish. Whats going on? I told him he did not like to fish, he liked to drink and thats where he went. Drinking not fishing. Sad the way peoples lives get twisted. And its really sad when you lose one.
Life is not a big party. Life is a big responsibility. Really too bad more can't face life sober. It's a lot more fun when you realize what is going on around you. ps. i have some arthritis in my hands and occasionally miss a letter. So if i flipped one or two please excuse. I really twisted somebody named elle. Don't want to do that again. Course if people know that the new designer drugs have a tendency to kill and use them, and die, what am i supposed to say? They are smart? No they are stupid. Course a comment alluding to the darwin awards was probably over the top. But really it is so sad so many young people are killing themselves to fit in, or be part of the crowd. And if you are curious i don't' use drugs or alcohol. Rather face life head on, right down the throat. Wish more would have that attitude.
You might want to check out Medical Marijuana for that.
Here is a site that lists both Pro and Con points for its usage on arthritis.
http://medicalmarijuana.procon.org/view.answers.php?questionID=000131
It just might work in your case.
thomas:
Look, I'm not saying that some people don't have problems with addiction and need help, but you are implying this applies to everyone who does drugs which is total BS. Especially when it is applied to weed. If you think any of this is a reason to perpetuate prohibition and the drug war, you couldn't be more wrong. People with serious drug addictions should be treated as medical patients and NOT as criminals. Actually, NO ONE who does drugs should be treated as a criminal.
Maybe you like to view life like that but I can assure you to some people life IS a big party. I do agree, though, that people must take responsibility seriously, especially when it comes to any drug use (legal or illegal).
Ah, yes, the "if you can't live life sober then you must have a problem" stance. Well, as I posted earlier to one of your posts you all ready know how I think about your Puritanical BS. If you want to live your life with a rod stuck up your ass, that is your prerogative.
Harmless high? Especially with synthetic chemicals?
Methamphetamine (Desoxyn) is DEA schedule II, and still available by prescription, not schedule I.
But pot is a sched.1...go figger.
And prescribed mostly to 9-year olds.
Thank for another senseless death "war on drugs" . DEA THEIR BLOOD IS ON YOUR HANDS .
How can you blame the DEA? It is the fault of the drug dealers who make a living kiilling others with their drugs, and the fault of the stupid idiots who choose to do drugs knowing what can happen. Choosing to do any illegal drug is like playing Russian Roulette. People who use drugs are weak and stupid; dummies who need a crutch to face life.
Of course the there's the old saw: "Reality is for people who can't handle drugs."
Lol!
I knew this story was going to be linked to bath salts or RC chems...it's the new media moral scare. Just like the "zombie" in florida who was later shown to not have had anything to do with bath salts, ad the kid who died "smoking synthetic marijuana" (out of a plastic toy with toxic fumes...). Gimme a break. LSD, 2C, blah blah blah, same thing, old story, old propaganda, old faces, new names. MSNBC is clearly on a sensationalist crusade against designer drugs.
And you are clearly a drug addict who refuses to face the truth. So knock yourself out.
el dude, keep on smoking, snorting or shooting up whatever it pleases you. Just triple the amount and exit quickly. Nothing like die happy, just don't take any body else with you.
The prohibitionist hang wringers keep saying, "If we legalize marijuana something bad might happen." As if they don't see the carnage caused by the illegality of marijuana.
Legalize it.
countries that have legalized THC still have their lion shares of heroin, meth, LSD problems. So what is your point? I do agree that people should not be locked up with murderers and rapists for smoking THC. Our prisons are over crowded and should be reserved for the hard criminals.
Did I miss something here...This happened in California...Marijuana is basically legal there for anyone, Certain doctors will write a Rx for pot for just about anything so the War on drugs is the reason is bullcrap. This idiot chose to use a drug and the result is that he killed someone and then he died.
Marijuana is legal in alaska also. You can grow your own for your own consumption. you just cant trade barter or sell it (drug pusher clause). And if you get caught its a $500 fine. About the only thing that went up was DWI's. You can't drink and drive or smoke and drive. And as the old saying goes its a good idea. The worst is you might kill someone, the least is you would spill your drink or burn your pants.
thomas:
Do you have a link to any facts or evidence to support your claim?
And, even if that were true, I wonder how many were busted for DUI just because of a drug test that found THC in their system from a joint they smoked weeks earlier?
A society forever chasing its own tail. We'll never attempt to tackle the real problem here - the growing need to completely divorce ourselves from reality. Unless you take on the need, you'll never eradicate the supply. It demonstrates an unwillingness to understand and confront something about human nature that any observant adult knows as fact. If we want escape from unpleasant lives, we will go to any lengths to get it and, as our quality of life declines, we will search for stronger drugs.
thank you jasonh. Stay sober and take life headon. Maybe if some would do that instead of trying to escape they would find that the ultimate rush, is a great life. there are so many things to do besides get twisted.
Years ago new a jumpmaster. Did not drink a drop. Was out at the drop zone one day watching and one of the para's chutes did not open and he was hangin at the back of a C-130 doing about 300 mph. this guy goes from inside the plane down the strap, cuts the guy loose and they both start to fall. he pulls the guys emergency chute, pushes off and a while later hits his main and lands. Turns out it was the jumpmaster i new. We got talkin later and he told me why he did not drink. you show me the booze or drug that will beat the high i just had and we will go off and knock off a few. You know lifes great.
JasonH:
Please refer to post #9.4
You will never eliminate the need (or want) so there will always be a supply. To think, one day, drug use and demand will be eliminated in America is very naive. Prohibition does not work and never will. The drug war should be ended and new approaches to the drug problems should be implemented. Drug use has been around since the dawn of man and is here to stay.
Yeah, people like to do drugs (and it's not always about escaping from reality).
But, I guess in your utopian reality we would outlaw ALL drugs like alcohol, nicotine, caffeine, etc.
Good luck with that notion. (Naw, no thanks Jason)
If what you gleaned from my post is that I am pining away for a drug-free Utopia, next time wait until you aren't
high and read it again.
If you think that the 20-30, or even 100, people you've met in life who've professed that they do drugs strictly for fun or consciousness-expansion are representative of the entire drug taking population, you are either very simple-minded or astonishingly, destructively arrogant.
A final thing - it's baffling to me how you couldn't see we are, essentially, in agreement on a number of points. Drug taking is not going anywhere. Government attempts to control it are example of a society chasing its own tail. Since all of this eluded your considerable intellect, I must assume you were too busy marshaling your precious self-righteousness in an attempt to denounce another non-enemy.
I would like an apology for completely misrepresenting me, but whatever. Cheers.
Jason:
First of all, smart guy, I wasn't high when I read your post. Secondly, did YOU not say:
Key word: "eradicate". WTF else am I supposed to "glean" from a comment like that?
Define "eradicate": to remove or destroy utterly. I took your comment as to mean you want to eradicate drug use. Maybe, if you had been a little more clear I wouldn't have thought that.
Um, at what point did I say the ONLY reason people do drugs is "for fun or consciousness-expansion"??? I never mentioned a number and I never said anyone "professed" to me anything. You are now putting words into my mouth (among other things). I said:
Hey smart guy, did you notice I used the word "some"? How the @!$%# you derived "strictly" from the word "some" baffles me.
You said:
Well, you pretty much know why everyone does drugs, right? (sar) You made a blanket statement and all I was trying to point out was that is NOT the case for everyone who does drugs. Can you grasp that notion or are you too "simple-minded"?
OK.
That's a point we agree on? When did I say that? Actually, WTF do you mean by that anyway?
AH!!! Ok. Now that you added "Government attempts to control it are example of" now I fully understand what you meant. Sorry if I wasn't clear on what you meant but maybe next time be a little more descriptive and I won't misunderstand you.
Well, since I am "simple-minded" and "astonishingly, destructively arrogant" with my "considerable intellect" and "marshaling" in my "precious self-righteousness"...
...you will get NO @!$%#ing apology from me for your ambiguity.
Have a Nice Day!
Since you like to toss out quotes, here's one -
"Drug use has been around since the dawn of man and is here to stay."
Compare that to -
"Drug taking is not going anywhere."
If you can't see the similarity between those statements, I can't help you.
Regarding the other quotes, I think you are all too willing, for the sake of denouncing someone's point of view, to grab onto statements like "Unless you take on the need, you'll never eradicate the supply" as unequivocal evidence of exactly one point of view. It's a commentary about how a society, if it wants to attempt ending destructive drug abuse, needs to address the root causes of that sort of drug abuse rather than trying to police and legislate it out of existence. Isolated, that statement seems to advocate a drug-free America. Taken in its full context, when coupled with statements like "If we want escape from unpleasant lives, we will go to any lengths to get it", I would think you might entertain the possibility that maybe, just maybe, it doesn't have to mean the very thing that would set you in direct opposition to it. Nah. Couldn't be.
So, again, we're back to square one. You reacted to my post rather than reading it or, perhaps, skimmed over it and seized on certain phrases as motivation to attack. I know I reacted to yours. But, when you're called on it, you are suddenly the paragon of literalness. If I was so ambiguous, then why were you so certain you knew what I meant? You weren't sure. Instead, you gleaned the message you wanted and went off half-cocked expecting to be right. You weren't.
JasonH:
OK. Well, let's clear some things up then:
Are you for or against the drug war and drug prohibition?
Are you for or against legalizing pot?
Do you think the majority of people who do drugs are trying to escape reality?
Do you think pot is the gateway drug?
Do you agree with thomas' response to your first post?
And lastly, did you really think I wouldn't react to your post 16.3 with all of the insults you threw at me? All I said to you was you would be "naive" and if you think that is an insult, well, can't help ya there. I ask for no apology.
Please answer my questions otherwise we'll be stuck on square one.
1. Against. Incarcerating recreational users or addicts is clearly a no-win proposition for anyone. I'm for
legalization with oversight akin to what we use with alcohol and tobacco. I am against across the board
legalization - not all drugs are equal in my eyes. I can't see any possible benefit from people being able
to buy a vial of crack cocaine at their local 7-11.
2. See above. I'm for marijuana legalization.
3. Yes, I do, but I really shouldn't assume it. Admittedly, it is a slanted view, as I am a recovering
alcoholic sober nearly 7 years, I do believe that chronic drug use indicates a desire to escape an
unpleasant reality. Are there people who ingest substances for other reasons? Sure. I'd be the
last person on earth to say that drinking and drug-taking is NEVER fun. It started out that way
for me.
4. No and people who do are simpletons about the subject. It's bad logic that applies one standard
to everyone. My personal experience couldn't have been any different and those I saw around me
didn't tumble into addiction because of weed.
5. Thomas' post isn't reflective of my point of view, but it didn't offend me. It's a different take on
life and it works for him. I didn't really have anything to say to it.
As I said, I reacted to you. I felt misrepresented and my indignation meter pegged, so I posted recklessly.
I prefer thinking things through in all instances, but I'm human and my temper slips sometimes.
Jason:
Thank you for answering my questions. I do realize now we ARE on the same page, pretty much. I understand now that I misunderstood where you were coming from and took you for someone like thomas. His post kinda skewed my perception and influenced my mind set when I read your post (his first words caught my eye and I read his first). Please accept my apology.
I agree or understand your positions and I want to comment about your response to question #1. I agree all drugs shouldn't be legalized; pot yes, maybe even a few others. But, while I wouldn't advocate for legalizing them all, I certainly would decriminalize ALL of them. That way, people with serious drug addictions would be treated as medical patients and NOT as criminals. They could seek help and not be worried about a criminal record or paying fines, etc. I think we need to take a whole new approach to our drug problems in this country and not stigmatize users and throw them out with the trash.
Please understand I am very frustrated we still have this ridiculous war on drugs still going on after so many decades and people have suffered because of it. I think of the people sitting in jail over petty drug offenses and how their lives have been turned upside down for the worst. I think of all of the meth addicts or heroin addicts that need treatment but won't pursue it because of fear of legal retaliation and then dying because of overdose. I think of all the people who live in poor neighborhoods that are ravaged by crime associated with illegal drug trafficking and the children that can't escape that environment. I think of all of the people who live covert lives because of a choice to smoke weed over alcohol. I think of all the people who could have had good careers but because of a personal choice to smoke weed they have to work crappy jobs that don't drug test. I think about the thousands of people in Mexico who have died and those who have lost loved ones from drug cartel violence all because of the drug war.
It just goes on and on. I'm furious our law makers and our president don't take a stand to change these things just because they fear of not being elected if they don't keep the status quo. I'm ashamed of our country that has pushed it's ideals on other countries forcing them to take our policies. Sometimes I wonder if the madness will ever end.
HeHe I guess I am "simple-minded" and "astonishingly, destructively arrogant" with my "considerable intellect" and "marshaling" in my "precious self-righteousness"...
...well, I'm not a clean rat...
Little misleading... that's "Half-Sack".. and he's not a current "SOA" actor at all.. they killed off his character way back in 2009.
And then his character killed him in 2012.
Way to focus on the important details, Zombie.
As for sythetic cannabinoids, they are very useful in cancer research on the CB receptors, but they don't want you to know cannabis cures cancer so they demonize it. Meth is prescribed to 9 year olds by the AMA but they make you think it will turn your neighbors into the devil.
Dude, smoking way too much of that stuff. Cannabis/THC does not cure cancers. We prescribe it to cancer patients to improved their appetite and better cope with their pain. It does decrease intraocular pressure thus we use it for certain types of glaucoma. Next thing from you...cannabis will cure Alzheimer.
You clearly haven't been paying attention...over the last decade there have been developments...
Cannabis...
lung cancer...
Since marijuana smoke is known to contain carcinogens, this suggests marijuana has some protective effect against cancer...in fact...
Brain cancer
Colon cancer...
Cancer in general...
...and diabetic retinopathy, something that astounds my doctors yearly that I show no signs of despite over 20 years of diabetes...(many people get it after just 5 or ten...) as well as glaucoma of course, the first illness it was medically perscribed for in USA...
And another one for you...PREVENTS ALZHIEMERS!!
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You were sayi
You clearly haven't been paying attention...over the last decade there have been developments...
Cannabis...
lung cancer...
Since marijuana smoke is known to contain carcinogens, this suggests marijuana has some protective effect against cancer...in fact...
Brain cancer
Colon cancer...
Cancer in general...
...and diabetic retinopathy, something that astounds my doctors yearly that I show no signs of despite over 20 years of diabetes...(many people get it after just 5 or ten...) as well as glaucoma of course, the first illness it was medically perscribed for in USA...
And another one for you...PREVENTS ALZHIEMERS!!
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Good for brain...
You were saing?
links don't post....try this you'll have to remove the spaces...
http:// www. thedailybeast. com/articles/2012/09/06/marijuana-fights-cancer-and-helps-manage-side-effects-researchers-find. html
That should get you started...if you're not smoking pot for cancer prevention you should start now!
Last I heard carcinogens cause cancer not prevent cancer.
Substances and exposures that can lead to cancer are called carcinogens. Some carcinogens do not affect DNA directly, but lead to cancer in other ways. For example, they may cause cells to divide at a faster than normal rate, which could increase the chances that DNA changes will occur.
elduderino, fire contains flames. Flames are hot. Do not use fire to treat burns. (Carcinogens as cancer prevention are a bad idea, too.) Have you flamed your brain today?
Dude the lack of cancer in the presence of carcinogens indicates an additional counter-agent. Read up, moron, this stuff is verified.
http: //www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/09/06/marijuana-fights-cancer-and-helps-manage-side-effects-researchers-find.html
http:/ /www.webmd. com/lung-cancer/news/20060523/pot-smoking-not-linked-to-lung-cancer
You have to remove the spaces for the link to work.
http: // www.webmd.com/cancer/news/20040815/marijuana-stall-brain-tumor-growth
http ://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/02/060227184647.htm
And another one for you...PREVENTS ALZHIEMERS!!
http:// health.msn.com/health-topics/articlepage.aspx?cp-documentid=100230518>1=31036
Good for brain...
http ://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=3853
http:// www.equalrights4all.org/fcda/cannabinoids.htm
http:// www. druglibrary.org/schaffer/library/slikker.htm
Save the world...
http:// coedmagazine.com/2010/11/05/the-5-biggest-marijuana-myths-debunked/
http:// peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Cannabis_Hemp_as_a_Global_Warming_Solution
http:// stopthedrugwar.org/speakeasy/2008/jan/11/truth_about_driving_when_youre_h
thcfinder.com/marijuana-blog/culture/2010/11/the-5-biggest-marijuana-myths-debunked
Amotivational syndrome?
http:// www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/library/slikker.htm
Plus, it's better than an asprin for a headache, better than a sleeping pill for goin to sleep, better than a drink before driving a car or whatever, great after a stressful day (or before one!), it's other effects on the body and brain are all beneficial, stress reducing...it has both stimulant and relaxant effects simultaneously, is a vasodialtor...meaning it lowers blood pressure, and causes more blood to flow into the brain (kinda like Ginko Biloba....) is known to have heart benefits actually protects brain cells from damage because of the nature of thc, its like a fat that coats the cells... rather than kills them like alcohol and drugs. Almost all of the negative things you have heard about pot are propaganda, and are contradicted by the science (all suppressed in the USA, thank the dutch!). I mean just hit google for an hour and try to find how many stories you can find about it helping people undergoing chemotherapy eat again, or little old ladies keep all their pills and food down or glaucoma from acting up and any number of other positive bits of information, it's really endless, a panacea of sorts. Fact is, the liquor, cigarette companies, asprin, advil, tylenol whatever over-the-counter remedies for any number of daily ills would be put out of business by plants in your backyard. Not to mention the drug companies that make xanax, ambien, prozac, zoloft, viagra etc. etc. Paper mills. The loggers. The corn for ethanol and global warming dumbasses (pot makes ten times the ethanol per acre than corn, and absorbs more co2 than any other plant on earth...) and can be grown 3 times as fast (same acre produces up to 3 harvests for every 1 harvest of corn). The courts and cops and task forces who waste endless hours and loads and loads of money (to the tune of 10s of billions a year...) doing practically nothing to make it unavailable ...you have to ask yourself...who stands to gain from pot prohibition and who stands to lose.....? And how gullible can you be? Can't you see even in the case of actually harmful drugs like alcohol ad heroin, making a criminal class out of something all humans are extremely vulnerable to by their very body chemistry only serves the purpose of justifying the expenditure of a lot of your taxes and human blood destroying the lives of citezens and funds black markets, cartels and terrorists, all of which they use for further justification of expanding the for-profit police war-state where people fear their nieghbors? It's pure evil.
Here's one...
http: //reason.com/blog/2012/09/28/inspector-generals-new-asset-forfeiture
Whatever, if you seek truth you'll read.
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Homeschooled denko?
I am really starting to worry for the next generation. We are going to lose them to senseless wars or nasty drugs it seems.
At least you're worrying about them for the right reasons.
population control. if you think there is something that can give you a harmless high you have other issues
yeah, like alcohol, coffee, or cigarettes...
Great...another man in the news who kills women...can we have a time when men are not preying upon women and killing them? And the raping, please men, just stop!!! Everyday I read the news where some man is being violent or worse...so sick of it...I do not care that this idiot killed himself falling down a wall...but he killed an innocent woman....vile.
Good ,now lets step up to women killing their children at any stage of life !!! Me thinks you belong to He Girl Man Haters Club!!
I really doubt if the the landlord had been an old man instead of woman, they wouldn't still be dead right now. No need to read misogyny into this.
not everything is about feminism.
They must have found those drugs in his apartment to suspect such a thing, since autopsy results don't usually come out so fast. And,"possibly" killed himself? Whether he jumped or fell off that roof, he killed himself either way.
Or, they are guessing.
If marijuana was legalized there would be no need for a synthetic drug and it seems to cause less problems than alcohol and steroids.
Stupid comment. Drug users don't just do marijuana, which is easily accessible, illegal or not. They go after bigger and better highs and are willing to try anything to get it.
how do you know these things? you say you don't even do drugs. you don't know what you're talking about...
This happened in California, Pot is basically legal in California and just about anyone can get a Rx for it for just about any thing yet this guy still chose to use this other drug, Legalizing pot in the US will not reduce other substance abuse, There will always be idiots out there who will use other things to get high.
Gotta watch-out fer thaa M/Jane FACE CHEWERZZ THO!!! BIG TIME TOO, when they're hungry they are gonna chew off yur face for shure!!!
Makes legalized marijuana seem pretty benign, doesn't it? I doubt anyone ever killed anyone else under the influence of weed.
Many have killed under the influence Hemp but I'm sure Weed wasn't the main or contributing factor,just as people who kill in the name of God ,Allah are killers but use them only as an excuse!!
Driving under the influence of THC and crashing for one. And yes just THC.
How about the other legal drugs even over the counter types that have a warning not to be used when driving a motor vehicle or operate machinery?? How many disregard that everyday, every minute!!
unless they get behind the wheel - which has happened, not nearly as much as booze though.
Unlike alcohol, weed doesn't affect the motor reflexes of anyone, there is no conclusive evidence that smoking marijuana affects your driving ability, in fact its a hell of a lot safer than drinking and driving, or road rage and driving, the latter requiring nothing more than a mentally unbalanced sequence of reactions to other drivers on the the same road.
The Risks
You may hear people ask, "If it's dangerous, why do so many people have medical marijuana cards?"40 It's true that scientists have determined that the cannabis plant has the potential for addressing a range of medical conditions. But it's also true that when you're young and your body is still growing, marijuana actually has the potential of inflicting a long-lasting, negative impact on your developing brain.
Using marijuana at a young age can result in structural and functional deficits of the brain. This could cause you to develop weakened verbal and communication skills, lowered learning capabilities and a shortened attention span.40
LONG-TERM EFFECTS
In addition to the possible effects on your brain, smoking marijuana may also be hazardous to your developing lungs. Marijuana smoke contains 50% to 70% more carcinogenic hydrocarbons than tobacco smoke.41
You may have heard people argue that marijuana is a "gateway drug" to harder drug use. Some say this is a myth, others insist it is a fact. The truth is that there is a link. Research shows that the earlier you start using marijuana, the more likely you are to become dependent on it or other types of drugs later in life.42
THE BOTTOM LINE
Some movies and music make "stoner" culture seem cool, natural and like it's not a big deal. But if being fit and getting good grades are some of your goals, using marijuana can become a big deal, fast. Marijuana limits your brain's effectiveness, slows your thinking and impairs your coordination. A number of studies have also shown an association between chronic marijuana use and increased rates of anxiety, depression and schizophrenia. 41
My close friend from childhood has a sister who has stuggle with some kind of substance since she was in her teens. Pot was the first along with alcohol, then she graduated to other substances like pills, psychedellycs and lastly Meth. She now shows symptoms of schizophrenia type mental issues which are a side effect of meth use it can actually rewire your brain. Pot is not harmless for alot of people and can cause damaage to developing brains if started at a young age.
This is what the government gets for prohibiition. Especially prohibition of the softer drugs. Its created drug makers galore. Legalization = control. The drug makers will make what is legal and safe, if you legalize the safer drugs. But as long as everything is illegal, they will make whatever they can to make money. Especially stuff that is unknown and not illegal yet.
Legalization of the safer drugs would end almost all of this crap.
So what would list as safer drugs?
roc - Weed is the safest drug there is. No one has ever ODed from smoking weed and people can die from drinking too much water. legalize it already!
Besides Pot, I was just wondering what a softer,safer drug was?
For every American laying around on the couch, getting baked watching dancing with stars and eating Doritos, there's a thousand Indians, Chinese and Russians working on a Ph.D. specifically so they can come to America and take your job. That being said, I could go along with legalizing certain drugs as long as employers are allowed to retain the right to test and hire or fire based on the results. More stoners mean less competition and more salary for me. Toke it up potheads, I want a new Beemer. I love you guys!
MileHighMBA:
According to your failed logic, people who smoke weed are losers and never have good jobs or aren't contributors to society. Well, take a gander at this link (it might open your closed mind):
http://vandergreg.blogspot.com/2012/09/top-50-list-of-famous-marijuana-smokers.html
mile high, it is not all about you and your money.