Tell me Echoe, how would you administer that I.V., I.M? Lol

Or vinegar and honey. My take is they should bring in a Native American shaman. At this point they don't have anything to lose and much to gain.

I read about something called photoluminescence. It is still used in Europe, and was formerly used here in the US (early last century, I think). The blood is run through tubes where a certain type of light is used to kill any and all bacteria till the blood is free of that bacteria.

I don't know much about it, but I would go for anything if anyone in my family got extremely ill.

@Creek Dog... deepest sympathies. I can't begin to imagine the agony of losing one child, much less two.

Seriously guys, I'm all for natural home remedies and stuff, but these kind of superbugs are not anything you should try to treat at home with honey and coconut oil. Go for it if you have the flu and are uncomfortable and want to avoid medications. If you have MRSA or this new one them get thee to a hospital stat or make peace with your loved ones because these infections are more than what you can effectively treat at home.

I didn't say treat it at home. I am saying the hospital should bring in a Shaman. They don't have anything to lose and by their own admission they are at a loss as to what to do next.

Actually , Echo and drc as well as everybody. Olive oil would be what should be used in these cases. And , yes, you inject it. Don't believe me? Then read the following article.

read up on pubmed. Coconut oil has proven to kill viruses (explodes them actually) and bad bacteria adn no mutations are resistant to it. and LOL funny I.V. or I.M. you EAT it. it goes straight to the blood system and kills the virus. quite a number of hospitals use it to prevent and treat staph and mrsa because it kills those too. Olive oil is anti bacterial and anti viral as well, the only thing is, it takes time for olive oil to work because of the digestive process (regardless of how it is input in the body, olive oil still has to go through the liver). Coconut oil works as soon as ingested because it is already in the form the body needs.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22842551

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8113756

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17891329

It is strong enough to break down the HIV virus coating, which allows the immune system to then kill it, and is also strong enough tfor the Herpes Simplex virus. Coconut oil conatins both Lauric Acid and Capric Acids both known for STRONG abilities to kill viruses and bad bacteria. So, before you run off laughing, have a look at your information, you'll be very surprised how many hospitals already know about it and have their staff use lotions with coconut oil in it to prevent spreading of disease and how many doctors use derivatives of coconut oil to treat their patients.

Echo,

Google Olive Oil pneumonia treatment. I'm new and apparently can't post links. sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/335338/title/Olive_oil_injections_aid_in_treating_pneumonia

Xina you are so right. I am very familiar with MRSA and Staph infections, As you knowingly said "get thee to a hospital." We have seen right before our eyes, the redness and swelling moving up an arm, You can actually see/watch the redness spreading, in the span of a few minutes, the arm is completely swollen, hot, and red. It takes immediate introduction IV with the last bastion's of hope with antibiotics with the hopes they will work. It is a frightening experience of which I wish on no one. Dr.s have told me if you take 15 people off the street and culture them for MRSA,8 or 9 will be positive carriers. That was 10 yrs. ago. It is more common now. I don't care what hospital it may be, they are all breeding grounds for everything. If this little boy and others got the infection from a patient that had been admitted a year ago, that tells you how difficult these germs are to kill and/or if the infection control team at said hospital is doing their job. It took one-one other patient a year ago, to infect 19 other patients presently. Hospitals are all hotbeds for every bug known and unknown. Stay in them only as long as you have too. And don't be afraid to speak up to your Drs. and nurses about their infection control practices. I am sure they took every precaution they could with this little boy, Rest His Little Soul. As careful as they might be in any hospital, imho, it's not really going to matter, Bugs and Super bugs are everywhere and in the chain of caring for a patient, someone is going to break the infection control practice. I see it happen all the time. Get in and out quickly if you can.

So are there any double-blind trials of coconut oil as treatment for viruses?

This boy was the 7th VICTIM CLAIMED BY THIS ANTIBIOTIC RESISTANT BACTERIA . . at the CDC no less.

ANTIBIOTIC RESEARCH NEEDS TO BE A NATIONAL PRIORITY, perhaps even above Cancer, on par with or above energy, and certainly above many of the useless other areas of research that the NIH/NSF or other Federal agencies are funding.

If they couldn't save this boy at the NIH then what will you do when one of your loved ones comes down with an untreatable systemic bacterial infection?? Hint: It will be like in the dark ages before antibiotics were available.

Echoe- Did you even look at the abstracts for those papers? The first one is about metastatic potential in a mouse model, in twenty years that may be clinically relevant. The other two are about virus' this infection is bacterial in nature. They experiments were not based on "coconut oil" they were specifically defined chemical constituents some of which are found in the oil however in the 3rd paper it was found that the short chain fatty acids were the only effective ones. Even if the points I made above weren't true a quick calculations reveals that you'd need to consume somewhere on the order of 4-6 gallons of the oil to match the experimental conditions.

How much coconut oil do you propose giving to immune-compromised hospital patients? Is there a pharmacological source, since *some* bacteria are quite cabable of living in coconut oil? How many unsanitary witch-doctors are you going to drag through the sterile zone of a hospital where one spore is enough to kill a patient after surgery? Are you supposing that the VERY SAME CAMPUS that published those articles (NCBI is on the NIH campus, if you aren't aware) doesn't know about the antibiotic effects is some specific fatty acids? How much research has been done on those fatty acids to prove that bacteria cannot mutate against them? How much commensal bacteria will it kill? You have at least taken an intro to Biology course, right? Where you learn that humans cannot live without bacteria? Did you even learn what an antibiotic is? a life-killer. Antibiotics kill humans too. Humans are living things. Please don't accuse doctors and scientists of being unaware of your "superior" natural methods, unless you intend to go back to a 10% infant mortality rate and 90% post-operative death rate that existed when these natural methods were used.

http://www.coconutoil.com/Dayrit.pdf

Georgetown University Dr. Harry Preuss has multiple studies on coconut oil klling MRSA and Staph

Center for Disease Control of the U.S. Public Health Service is aware of, and has studied the antiviral properties of coconut oil, and verified it.

http://www.coconutresearchcenter.org/Coconut%20Research-Coconut%20Research%20Center.pdf

(a little bassackwards article-the insecticide is measured to coconut oil as its highest comparison for prevention of insect borne disease, I always ask myself, why not use the coconut oil then?) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18397516

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21333271l

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19961546 CFA's include a range of fatty acids, coconut oil, lauric acid and capric acid (both derived from CO)

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19387482

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21114897

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19126671 (coconut oil is one of the few medium chain fatty acids: here called MCT)

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15957538

didn't know if you mean lab studies, in vitro, animal, human.
The kind thing about Coconut oil is it can be ingeted by the tablespoon full. there ARE studies that denote that HYDROGENATED coconut oil is NOT beneficial, thus it must me Virgin or Expeller pressed coconut oil. There are no harmful side-effects with coconut oil.

NOT witchdoctor or shaman studies, hence the information from recognized PUBLISHED MEDICAL JOURNALS. again HOSPITALS across the U.S. are ALREADY using the information about coconut oil in various forms, be it capric acid pills, lauric acid pills, or lotions and sprays to kill germs and prevent further infection of patients. You don't want it, don't take it. Not my problem. Just passing along information that could save a whole lot of heartache to a family about to lose their loved one.

Here are the HUMAN trials: (coconut oil has a lot of different benefits)

http://www.bioportfolio.com/resources/pmarticle/45151/Capric-Acid-Secreted-By-S-Boulardii-Inhibits-C-Albicans-Filamentous-Growth-Adhesion.html

(personally, I've never recommended it for diet purposes, but for health purposes) amounts included in the article, along with quotes from medical doctors. http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=52214

http://stroke.ahajournals.org/content/22/4/469

http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%

http://www.prlog.org/11730021-van-andel-institute-study-may-lead-to-better-safer-drug-for-diabetes.html

Axona is a coconut oil derivative used for Alzheimer's http://www.centerwatch.com/drug-information/fda-approvals/drug-details.aspx?DrugID=1050

2Fjournal.pone.0027739

http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20100273731

(hospital uses) http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-supplements/ingredientmono-915-MEDIUM%20CHAIN%20TRIGLYCERIDES%20(MCTs).aspx?activeIngredientId=915&activeIngredientName=MEDIUM%20CHAIN%20TRIGLYCERIDES%20(MCTs)

http://www.freshpatents.com/-dt20101104ptan20100279959.php

(food uses-yes you EAT it) http://ps.fass.org/content/88/1/61.full (it's been used for YEARS to keep chicken from getting bacteria while it sits in the cooler section of the store.)

I hope this satisfies those completely unaware of what uses coconut oil has had. It's used in the neonatal unit to help premies develop healthily and used in I.V's for those who are nutritionally deficient/starved/deprived. Just understand where your medicines come from. And go to it. Look it up. It's used to treat disease in sheep, in pork, in beef (so YEAH, you end up EATING it) it's used in the factory process for keeping chicken free from e-coli, Look up the trials on capric acid, lauric acid, look up medical journals to see where docs are prescribing those, check out foundations like Parkinson's, (American Heart Association did a more recent study where they found that it's beneficial) Alzheimer's Association. Go and be surprised. Wow, food actually serves a beneficial purpose to the human body.

If you have MRSA or this new one them get thee to a hospital stat or make peace with your loved ones because these infections are more than what you can effectively treat at home.

When my stepdaughter had MRSA and the antibiotics were failing, I treated her with alternative medicine. Not only did it cure her within a week, but the sores she got after starting the alternative treatment healed without a trace. The few sores that had "healed" from the antibiotic left black spots.

No Echoe . .we are not satisfied. Cooldownalready is correct that you would likely benefit from a biology, and maybe a few other such as microbiology, courses.

You are confusing the readers by implying that something that may have bactericidal properties would be useful as an (in vivo) treatment for systemic antibiotic resistant bacterial infections.

Vegetable oils compounds given to infants or via gastric pathways are broken down by beta oxidation as a food source. Trying to give this substance IV (intravenously) in large enough quantities to have a bactericidal effect on a full-blown systemic infection like this boy had is ludicrous, might be fatal and would be malpractice (and inhumane) at best.

I suggest you leave one of the most challenging scientific issues of our time (re-emerging bacterial resistance to antibiotics) to properly trained Scientists.

You could help, however, by leading a public cry for more funding in this area since Pharma and the Federal Government are not applying sufficient funds to make progress in this area at present.

Finally, some facts and truths. Thank you, Truth&Logic.

A fine question. I take it as it is in the hospital. Just my take on it. But, there really is no info on it here.

WHile in college, my biochem professor stated that hospitals are the worst for proliferating disease due to poor sanitary procedures. you literally could go into a hospital for the flu and never come out alive. It wasn't because of the flu...it was due to the fact you contracted a deadly germ totally SEPARATE from what you originally came in for.

He (Troy) got it while at the hospital.

The article says he was at the hospital for complications from a bone marrow transplant WHEN HE CONTRACTED THE DISEASE.

He was a sick little boy when he got there. For a bone marrow transplant, your immune system has to be taken down to zero. This means he was wide open for any pathogen.

It is true that hospitals are dangerous places. The patients that are admitted are the sickest of the sick, requiring the most potent antibiotics and antiviral medications available. The few organisms that aren't killed by these meds then mutate and become immune to them. They are then called SUPERBUGS.

It is my opinion that nobody should go to a hospital alone. All should have someone to vigilantly watch ALL personnel who enter the room, and DEMAND that EVERYONE wash their hands. When you enter a hospital, the safest thing to do is to put on a pair of gloves FOR YOUR OWN PROTECTION, and DON'T TOUCH ANYTHING UNNECESSARY!!! You've no idea what is lurking around from previous patients!

RIP, little guy. Very sad...my condolences to the family.

The article makes it sound like the bug came to the hospital through another patient and has since infected several more at this facility.

The article says a patient had it last summer-a year ago-and 19 patients to the present have contracted it while in this hospital. The bug remained after the first patient it seems and has continued to infect others. That is the way it seems to read and mean to me anyway. Could be wrong but Super bugs are hard to kill especially not knowing how the hospital handles their inefction control practices.

The article seems to say that he came to the NIH Research Clinic for treatment of something else, and contracted the bug there (as have several other patients - this boy is the 7th fatality.) The last infection seen at the hospital was last January.

This is one persistent bacterium. It appeared to be dormant for nine months in the hospital, before it appeared and killed again. If there is one place on earth where it may be possible to learn where it was hiding and how it is spread, the NIH Research Clinic should be the place. For now, I would be terrified to be a patient in this Clinic.

Mailman8, I would also be terrified to even visit anyone at this hospital. To be a patient there though? Terrified, as you said. Indeed.

The boy was from Minnesota, was sent to Maryland for problems resulting from a bone marrow transplant. So he was severely compromised already. I don't know about the others.

Handwashing can reduce transmission of germs (viruses, bacteria, fungal), but you can also contract these through the air (breathing, so wear a mask in the hospital), through your eyes and nose, and from medical equipment. Patients with compromised immune systems are very vulnerable, and handwashing isn't enough to protect them or you.

In fairness, this was always going to happen eventually. Not overusing antibiotics may have delayed the onslaught of these superbugs for a while, but they would have mutated to survive at some point.

That said, I'm all for organic food stuffs.

All very true. What's also dangerous is when the antibiotics are prescribed correctly, and the patient stops taking the pills as soon as they feel better rather than finishing the whole prescription. If the entire infection wasn't killed off, it can grow back resistant to the first course of antibiotics. If the patient does this 3-4 times, then we end up with a strain that's resistant to 3-4 different treatments.

But regardless of where this particular super bug came from-my sympathies to the families of all seven people who have passed.

The microbe alwasy wins.

Don't talk about how germs evolve. God doesn't make anything evolve. The only people who study evolution are scientists and it's not like they're smart or anything. Wait a minute...

Religion > Science apparently.

"Religious right" has never said that evolution does not exist. We say that it is kind of hard to make the jump from microbe to monkey to man. What really makes us mad is the Theory of Evolution is now called the Law of Evolution. In the scientific community a "Law" is something that can be reproduced under controlled circumstances in a laboratory. Still have not seen that done. By the way, explain to me how the eye evolved or how the circulatory system evolved. Bet you can't.

Read "The Ancestors Tale" by Richard Dawkins.

Then perhaps you will understand the fact of evolution better.

It amount to many small adaptions and mutations over millions and millions of years.

The problem is with many small adaptations over millions of years. The eye for example by its very design would have had to evolve instantaneously or the many parts of it would have been useless therefore by the very definition of evolution impossible to have evolved because the useless parts would have been discarded. Also, the circulatory system, the heart and lungs would have had to have evolved simultaneously because without one the other would have not been needed. You have to believe (have faith) in something. I choose to believe there is a designer out there because there are too many unanswered questions without one.

The "instantaneous eye" argument sounds great but it really isn't a good one. There are lots of organisms out there that have what could be described as partial eye structures. They range from things like certain clams that have clumps of light sensing cells to the chambered nautilus which has a nearly complete eye, lacking only a cornea. This idea that a complicated biosystem had to have sprung immediately into fully formed complexity to have any benefit at all is just wrong.

Sttester- Plants sense light, bacterial rhodopsin senses light, cells specialize to sense light, the specialized cells cluster, the organism moves to different areas with differing light intensities and wavelengths, the specialized clusters become more sensitive and further specialize by wavelength, the organism develops a protective lens for the specialized clusters, the lens develops the ability to be distorted (focus), the light sensing cells develop on a retinal plane relative to the focus plane-and there you have an eye over millions of years. I don't claim that I know the order of these steps, I'm offering you an evolutionary explanation for the development of complex organs. Respiratory systems see book lungs for an early example, circulatory systems see protozoan plasma streaming.

STTester, explain the holy trinity first. Then I'll take a shot at the eye.

My first thought, too.....Great novel, but scary as hell...

1. Not a virus 2. Anti-biotics have no effect on viruses 3. The strain was identified and sequenced last year in order to trace the infection 4. New bacterial strains arise frequently.

PS- "anti-bionics"? What does the 6 million dollar man have to do with it?

Not all, but they typically represent the most vulnerable population. There are several co-morbidities that increase the chance of severe systemic infection (things like old age and diabetes) and these people represent the majority of these cases, but there are examples of otherwise healthy people going in for minor surgery and coming away with a life-threatening infection. Unfortunately, hospital-acquired infections represent the bulk of these cases because it's a place where you have a lot of sick people in fairly close contact.

Mutation =/= evolution

If you want to argue with someone, at least learn your topic.

Wrong, Cooldown. Mutation is one method of evolution. Superbugs are due to evolution.

Wow! Speaking of dopy (sic) comments. After this comment I don't quite believe in intelligent design as much as I did before. Let me get this straight, we should all drink koolaid so dirt can continue to exist. Kind of makes life seem worthless doesn't it? No wonder it looks like we are on the verge of a global meltdown.

yeah, thats why your name is a moniker for toilets!!! Go else where with your political doo doo!

Interesting perspective.