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Subscribe to RSSPORTLAND, Ore. — The City Council approved a plan Wednesday to add fluoride to Portland's water, meaning Oregon's biggest city is no longer the largest holdout in the U.S.
The ordinance calls for city water to be fluoridated by March 2014.
Dental experts say fluoride is effective in fighting cavities. Opponents of public fluoridation say it's unsafe and violates an individual's right to consent to medication.
"Reasonable people can disagree, but the science is on the side of fluoridation," Mayor Sam Adams said after the unanimous vote.
Opponents also say council members rushed into action without a public vote. They plan to collect almost 20,000 signatures in the next 30 days to force a referendum early next year — before the mineral is added to a water supply that serves about 900,000 people in Portland and a few suburbs.
"There is no question that we are going to need a lot of financial and volunteer support to make this happen, but we are seeing a major backlash to how the City Council has handled this," said Kim Kaminski, executive director of Oregon Citizens for Safe Drinking Water.
Public fluoridation remains an emotional topic in many parts of the country. The issue arose in Phoenix this week when a public stir prompted re-examination of a policy in place since 1989. After a contentious hearing Tuesday, council members voted to continue adding fluoride to the water in the nation's sixth-largest city.
Wichita, Kan., residents will vote in November whether to add fluoride to the city's water supply.
Portland's drinking water already contains naturally occurring fluoride, though not at levels considered to be effective at fighting cavities.
Voters in Portland twice rejected fluoridation before approving it in 1978. That plan was overturned before any fluoride was ever added to the water. Before announcing his vote, Commissioner Randy Leonard said the passion from both sides showed why previous councils sidestepped the matter: "This issue is not for the faint of heart."
Dozens of opponents turned out for the vote that went as expected. They booed, hissed and held signs that said "Public water, public vote." When it became apparent that commissioners would indeed approve the ordinance, they stood with their backs turned.
Regina LaRocca, who had her back turned, said the "money and power" on the side of fluoridation was difficult to overcome, but commissioners might have altered their votes had more people flooded City Hall.
"I'm disappointed in the people of Portland, and their apathy," she said.
Last week, 227 people — most of them opponents — signed up testify at a public hearing that last 6 1/2 hours.
Commissioners said now is the time to act because Portland children have more dental problems than kids from neighboring states that fluoridate, and adding the mineral to the water is the most safe, effective and affordable way to address it.
Seventy-three percent of the U.S. population drinks water treated with fluoride — more than three times the rate in Oregon.
Fluoride opponents contend the dental benefits of fluoride are small and don't outweigh the cons. Several pointed to a recent study by researchers from the Harvard School of Public Health, which appeared in Environmental Health Perspectives. It showed that Chinese children who had high levels of naturally occurring fluoride in their drinking water had lower IQs than those who lived in villages with less fluoride in their water.
"These people are putting their children's teeth above their children's brains, and that's ridiculous," said Paul Connett, author of the book "The Case Against Fluoride," who traveled to the meeting from New York.
Residents with thyroid issues, kidney disease and multiple chemical sensitivity worry fluoridation will make their lives worse. Others are concerned it can cause cancer, autism and other problems.
Commissioners counter that more than 200 million Americans drink water with added fluoride, and it doesn't appear to have caused great harm. Moreover, it is endorsed by most health organizations, including the American Medical Association and Centers for Disease Control.
Fluoride supporters and opponents agreed that fluoridation alone won't solve Portland's dental problems. They say parents must stress proper hygiene and stop giving their children drinks loaded with sugar.
But the commissioners say fluoridation will at least give children, particularly those from families without money or education, some protection against tooth decay.
"A 3-year-old child can't be expected to take responsibility for their dental care," Commissioner Dan Saltzman said, to which a frustrated member of the audience shouted: "Their parents can."
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hey, the pagans finally caught up to the 1950's. ;)
speaking of "god", he must not have been to intelligent in his design of us humans or our planet if our teeth can survive a lifetime without extra added flouride. One would think that a being supposedly as perfect as god would have put enough flouride in the water or made it so our teeth were strong enough to survive an entire life of use. Oh yeah he made us in his own image so I assume he has dentures by now.
If you believe in this god guy and you think he is all powerful and all knowing and this planet was intelligently designed by him then why would you support manipulating the things he created, like our water, and our food. Yeah come to think of it why would someone who believes in intelligent design of this planet and every thing on it support Monsanto and their genetic modification of our food?
I live in Portland and I'm dead set against this. Fluoridation is a scam. The original studies promoting fluoridation for dental health were done in the 1940s and have never been questioned, at least not until recently. They were flawed. Fluoride is a by-product of industrial aluminum and fertilizer production. Recent studies link Fluoride consumption by infants to lower IQ scores later in life. Common sense says to keep chemicals out of your drinking water. If you want fluoride for your children, buy them toothpaste for crying out loud.
Bob: please give us the scientific references to back up your made up, bogus and fanciful claims. C'mon, put up or shut up. Not some references from your Aunt Susan or the National Enquirer or some backwoods yahoo in Oregon but real scientific references. I dont think they exist so let's see 'em. I think you're blowing smoke Bob.
Studies show we save at least $38 in dental costs for every $1 in fluoridation costs.
Fluoridation works!
Europe doesn't fluoridate their water and has comparable rates of tooth decay. Fluoride is a topical treatment and shouldn't be ingested. Fluoridation of drinking water is stupid, like so many things accepted on faith in this country of failed intellectual curiosity and subservience to authority figures such as the FDA which still supports using mercury to fill teeth
LOL, treehuggers would rather knaw on trees than to be civilized. Most Europeans have rotted out mouths so your illuision does not hold water Michael.
Bob, are you saying that by brushing my teeth I'm becoming dumber?
@michael - Since when? Prove it. In the nearly 30 years I've been alive, that has been a banned practice. Heck, not even the fillings my parents received when they were young contained mercury. As long as I know, that has been banned just as long as my city has been adding fluoride to the water, nearly 60 years.
uh....I guess you haven't seen many rednecks (try watching some of the wildlife hunter shows on reality tv)
You can't expect parents in American to have the best interest of their kids dental health in mind.
If we allowed people to think on their own most wouldn't get vaccinations and we would have plagues here like early Europe...heck some of the people here even follow the beliefs and sciences of the dark ages.
It's pretty sh!tty they didn't give their residents a choice. The only benefit to adding fluoride to drinking water is that it MAY help prevent tooth decay. Although nothing beats good brushing habits.
As far as scientific studies are concerned, it all depends on who's funding the research. They are paid to get a specific result.
Against adding it - fluoridealert.org/articles/50-reasons/
For adding it - fluorideinfo.org/
mayoclinic.com/health/drug-information/DR601265
"This total amount should not be greater than the above recommendations, unless ordered by your health care professional. Taking too much fluoride can cause serious problems to the teeth and bones."
If you want more, there are over 3,000,000 results on Google.
Jeez people, a quick Google search shows dozens of studies linking fluoridation to lower IQ. Here's a synopsis of one from Harvard earlier this year:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/24/idUS127920+24-Jul-2012+PRN20120724
And TFNJ, brushing your teeth with fluoridated toothpaste is fine since you (probably) don't swallow it.
Look, we who live in Portland do so because in general the city is free of a lot of governmental BS that you have everywhere else in the country. Like fluoridating the water supply.
Bob by your logic if i give my kids flouride by way of toothpaste won't they still ruin their brain do to the flouride? That is the reason you are against it isn't it?
Very few people question whether fluoridation is an effect decay preventative. However, fluoridating an entire water system is overkill in the extreme.
First. Children derive a benefit from fluoridation within a relatively short window. Everyone outside that time window receives no benefit.
Second. There are studies and a fairly impressive amount of anecdotal evidence that shows fluoridation can actually cause some problems in the elderly.
Third. It is far cheaper to hand out fluoride tablets to people who want them than to add a very expensive injection system and a very caustic chemical to a water supply. Get this! In some cases, you need a prescription to get the tablets, yet here we are talking about dumping this stuff into an entire water system.
Fourth. There could not be a more inefficient method of delivery. This means fluoridating 100% of the water, when considerably less than one per-cent goes for human consumption. On the other hand, you have to ask yourself when was the last time you saw a lawn with dental problems.
Fifth. This falls into the category of "The solution to pollution is dilution". By gum, take this toxin - an industry waste product and hazardous material - add water, and drink up.
http://www.azcentral.com/community/phoenix/articles/2012/09/10/20120910water-fluoridation-debated-by-experts.html
Here are some recent facts.
It's part of the NWO agenda. The first incidence recorded of fluoride being added to water was in NAZI CONCENTRATION CAMPS. Fluoride ( besides being HIGHLY toxic ) depresses the nervous system and has marked psychological effects to make people "complacent" and "non-rebellious". This was to prevent the prisoners from having the motivation to rebel. Fluoride is a POISON. I dont' give a goddamned WHAT any of these Big Pharma/Big CHem shills say with their NWO propaganda. They have NO RIGHT to POISON our food or our water or our air ( with chemtrails ). This is FORCED MEDICATION without consent and every one of these communities should be sued for constitutionally violating our right to LIFE and LIBERTY with intent to cause bodily/psychological harm. If fluoride is added to the water there is no way you can avoid consuming or absorbing it through your skin unless you purchase a whole house reverse osmosis system. A "cheap" one will run you about $400-$600. Regular filtering systems... Brita, Pur etc ALL DO NOT remove fluoride. Fluoride is a byproduct of ALUMINUM PRODUCTION. THIS is how companies get RID of the TOXIC WASTE to avoid paying 'disposal fees'.
Here are a list of excellent articles and studies on the DANGER of fluoride.
http://www.naturalnews.com/031317_fluoride_iodine.html
http://www.fluoridealert.org/issues/health/index.html
http://www.fluoridation.com/atomicbomb.htm
Watch this documentary : The Fluoride Deception
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EGDDVgOLUQ
The video I posted tells the story about how FLUORIDE was part of the ATOMIC BOMB program ( The Manhattan Project ) and putting it in the public water supply was a "convenient" way for the military and corporations to "dispose" of it... FOR FREE.
gemini618, I knew some idiot was going to bring up the Nazis and the fluoride compliant crap.
The people in the concentration camps arrived after days of standing in cattle cars, starved and sleep deprived, their urine and feces dribbling down their legs. They were in shock when they entered the camps, and were torn from their families and friends. They were forced under guard to strip and have their heads shaved, and beaten if they were standing in the wrong spot or didn't respond quick enough. They were lined up for showers, and many didn't walk out, but their bodies were dragged out to the crematoriums. The survivors were dressed in filthy prison clothes, again without being allowed to used a privy except at certain times. If you had to go, you wet your clothes. Newcomers were ordered to pull and push feces loaded wagons. The prisoners were constantly sleep deprived, starved, humiliated, beaten and forced to work non-stop in deplorable conditions. They barely had energy to go from one place to another; disease filled the camps. They saw their neighbors killed in front of them, and some had to load the ovens with the dead and the dying. If anyone tried to do anything that was rebellious, others were punished and killed in retaliation. The fences were heavily guarded with machine guns and the perimeters mined.
And you dare to bring up this hideous internet hoax, that is one step from saying that it all didn't happen. I have no words to write that could convey the contempt that I hold for you and all others who post this filth on any site.
So for the first time in the history of this country that the US Government is looking out for our health... it's to help prevent a bad teeth epidemic....
We don't want to be like those dirty Brits, right?
I call Bull@!$%#.
Get a grip. You're off the deep end. Have a glass of FLUORIDE and chill out.
The rest of the information is 100% VERIFIABLE from GOV'T DOCUMENTS and research studies. They hadn't "debunked" the Nazi story when I was doing my research on Fluoride some 6 or 7 yrs ago.
Fluoride is the active ingredient in toothpaste.
One can argue that fluoride has no positive effects, but to argue that fluoride has negative effects would be saying that toothpaste, as designed, has been wrong all this time.
"If more than used for brushing is accidently swallowed, get medical help or contact a Poison Control Center right away."
This is what it says RIGHT ON THE @!$%#ING TOOTHPASTE TUBE!
I'm only arguing that People should have a CHOICE if they want to drink it.
I find it odd that a government that doesn't care if all it's people have access to health care is at the same time SO concerned with the state of our teeth. Maybe fluoride does make people complacent as the conspiracy theorists claim.
NO, I will not forget, nor will I make excuses for the Holocaust and what happened in it.
That you, gemini618, posted the Nazi-fluoride hoax as a fact makes all the rests of your posts worthless of the time to read them.
the government cares about your teeth? hahahahaha.
"Ripper: Have you ever heard of a thing called fluoridation. Fluoridation of water?"
Mandrake: "Why no sir I don't think I have" great movie Squid
Well that re-assures me... "doesn't appear to have caused great harm..."
Funny how a deadly, toxic element derived from industrial waste suddenly becomes beneficial when poured into the water supply. Just another way to slowly kill us.
Please provide some sort of proof that fluoridation of water kills people - please no National Enquirer references.
Maybe plork, if Jacques isn't smart...it's a direct result of flouridation?
Thanks to growing up in Portland, I have a mouth full of silver. The Bull Run water was so pure it had no minerals of any kind, and no taste. Darn, it was good water. And my dentist is soooo glad I grew up there. Don't want fluoride in your water? buy bottled water.
Fluoride that is added to drinking water is not the same as that found naturally in nature. The fluoride added to drinking water is a by-product of aluminum and steel manufacturing. It is industrial waste, unfortunately. Most people will never drink enough tap water to see any difference in oral health. Just go to the dentist, people.
Don't post stupid DB.
Fluoride, it is the anion form of fluorine meaning that it has an extra electron giving it a valence state of 1s2 2s2 2p6 (F-).
This is absolute, it doesn't matter if it's from the ground, industrial waste, rock, your dog's poo, or whatever. It is exactly, without question, same thing.
Mitchell
mitch,
ha..i like the organic notation...i haven't seen that in awhile...i remember how the shapes of the s and p electron clouds but everything else is a bit fuzzy.
Anyway, Im like you--i expected to come on here and listen to the same jokers who are against vaccines and modern medicine...so I decided to do some research on pubmed...and there are a few studies from china and india that show at least a correlation between fluoride exposure and low IQ...i wanted to hear your thoughts on this since you are clearly a science oriented person. (sincerely, that was not internet sarcasm)
Mitchell...he's 100% CORRECT. It's TOXIC INDUSTRIAL WASTE.
"The main chemicals used to fluoridate drinking water are known as “silicofluorides” (i.e., hydrofluorosilicic acid and sodium fluorosilicate). Silicofluorides are not pharmaceutical-grade fluoride products; they are unprocessed industrial by-products of the phosphate fertilizer industry. Since these silicofluorides undergo no purification procedures, they can contain elevated levels of arsenic — moreso than any other water treatment chemical. In addition, recent research suggests that the addition of silicofluorides to water is a risk factor for elevated lead exposure, particularly among residents who live in homes with old pipes."
www.fluoridealert.org
They put it in our water so they don't have to PAY to DISPOSE OF IT IN A CHEMICAL WASTE DUMP. How convenient.
Gemini, I didn't dispute the source. He claims it is different, I dispute that claim and I guarantee you that I'm correct. In fact, I urge you to communicate with a chemistry professor at your local college to verify.
Fluoride is always the same, reacts the same, behaves the same regardless of where it comes from.
Mitchell
Hey DORK... SEE ABOVE. It's ABSOLUTELY made from UNTREATED INDUSTRIAL WASTE. Both you and ImIgnorant owe Jacques an apology for your condescending, ignorant attitudes and your MISINFORMATION.
Mitchell... Technically you are INCORRECT because the INDUSTRIAL fluoride that is being used in the water is contaminated w/phosphates, arsenic and other chemicals. It is not "pure" nor "natural" and it has not been treated to remove any of the contaminants.
http://www.just-think-it.com/no-f.htm
Due to highly successful PR campaigns by industry (and government on behalf of industry) over the past half century+, many people mistakenly view fluoride as an essential nutrient. It is not. Fluoride, as it occurs naturally in water (as calcium fluoride), can cause many problems at high levels and is even more toxic when it is added to water supplies in the form of fluorosilicic acid, a waste product of the phosphate fertilizer industry that is part of a pollution concentrate that is heavily contaminated with toxins and heavy metals, such as arsenic, lead and cadmium (all carcinogens) and radioactive materials.3 This form of fluoride is by far the most widely used today to fluoridate public water supplies.
http://www.healthcarealternatives.net/removingfluoride.htm
@Eric: I haven't read any of those studies so I couldn't really tell you one way or the other.
I will give this much though, when dealing with studies regarding health in China and India, it's much harder to account for mitigating variables and you see more conflicts between various studies. It's harder to get reliable control groups to compare to.
It could be that those studies overstate any problem regarding it. Of course that also means that they could be understating it also.
Overall, I'm inclined to say it's overstated. Kidneys are actually pretty efficient at removing fluoride from our bodies. Unless you are drinking gallons a day, I don't see where the blood concentrations would get high enough to be a concern.
Concentration of fluoride in toothpaste is several orders of magnitude higher than drinking water. For kids, unless they spit and rinse 2 or 3 times(not just once) before swallowing anything, they will receive more fluoride than probably a couple days worth of water or more to say nothing of them eating it a little. For whatever that's worth.
Mitchell
Agreed. Itd be nice to have some studies, even retrospective, stateside
gemini618:
First, calm down. Its really not worth getting that worked up about.
Secondly, mitch is correct. Fluoride is fluoride is fluoride. It is an atom with 9 protons and 10 electrons. Everywhere in the universe.
What you are claiming with your industrial waste argument is that the fluoride put in the drinking water is contaminated with industrial waste chemicals secondary to its extraction process. This is a different argument altogether. Do you have proof of this from an unbiased source? Like the CDC or FDA?
You can find some random website on the internet to support any argument you want.
here is one claiming elvis is alive on mars:
http://www.hatchoo.nl/mars/index6.html
this highlights the importance of choosing your source wisely
@gemini: Apparently critical reading isn't a strong suit of yours. I should have gathered that from your first post, but didn't. That's my fault. I will try again, being more succinct, and with any luck, smaller words.
I did not dispute that industrial waste was the source of the fluoride. DB made the claim that the fluoride itself was different because of this. That is completely untrue.
To illustrate this I will use the following example. In front of you, you have a bowl of yummy tomato soup and a lets say a good ice tea. Regardless if it's from the soup, or the tea, the water in each is exactly the same. H2O. It doesn't matter which one you extract the water from, it will behave exactly the same, because it is the same because it's all just water.
The same thing with fluoride, it's simply fluorine with an extra electron, doesn't matter where it comes from, it will always be exactly the same, behave the same. and DB is wrong.
IF you want to complain about the other stuff, go ahead, be my guest. But that is regarding the other stuff and not the fluoride. DB was saying that the fluoride itself was different. It is not.
But, perhaps my three years of collegiate chemistry courses isn't enough of a background, perhaps you could back up his claim?
Mitchell
Fluoride isolated from industrial waste, saline deposits, soil deposits, etc. is all the same fluoride.
Even if the fluoride in public water is isolated from industrial waste, it is still pure fluoride by the time it reaches the public water system. At least the industrial waste is being used for something better than pure pollution. There are strict standards for that kind of stuff, and the utility company can get in big trouble for not meeting them. At one point the water you drink from a public tap was raw sewage, but I assume your utility company managed to filter all that stuff out.
If you want to know some other interesting facts, you should look up where food additives are isolated from. There are also a bunch of petroleum products that you might be using right now. Do you want to know where crude petroleum comes from and what it looks like?
You can argue about where the fluoride comes from all you want, but I can guarantee you that it might be unpleasant to see where most raw material comes from.
Even if floride is good for your teeth, your heart, kidneys, lungs, etc., sure as hell don't need it. This is stictly a political thing. Wake up whoever you are foisting this on the public that does not want it.
How ignorant. How many people have parents or grandparents with teeth BETTER than yours? Well, probably none. This is in large part due to fluoride.
Why aren't they complaining about the CHLORINE used to disinfect their water? The chlorination process generates all sorts of halogenated hydrocarbons which are bad actors.
They shouldn't chlorinate water either. If individuals don't trust unchlorinated water, they can boil it or chlorinate it themselves.
Bob in LG- if you live in Oregon, then you might have a valid point to make. If you don't, keep you stupid comments to yourself! Thanks
oye.
I do, I'm from Grand Rapids, Michigan and we were the first city to add fluoride to the water supply, which was in 1954 I believe. My parents (who were born in 1958), Aunts and Uncles all grew up with fluoride in the water and not one of them has lost a single tooth. I have Aunts and Uncles in their 60's even, an age when many have to turn to dentures, but they have all their original teeth still. I know it is not because of genetics since all but one of my grandparents had/have dentures. So, yes, it definitely appears to work without any harm.
It is very easy to chlorinate your own water if that's your wish. You can buy chlorine tablets like they use in swimming pools.
I was conceived and born in a town that had fluoride and other minerals in the water so much, that the drinking glasses had white film coating. My mom's siblings and my teeth are as hard as rocks. My siblings were from a soft water town, that had no fluoride, and the dental bills to prove it. We all had the same parents that fed us the same food, made sure we brushed our teeth and took us to the dentist.
Portland doesn't chlorinate its water either. I hope and pray that doesn't change.
Bob? Is that you Bob? They are going to put fluoride tracking devices in the water so they can keep up with you.
Extract your teeth Bob! It's the only way to escape THEM!
So did they see an unusually high rate of tooth decay in the general population as compared to other cities of similar size and socioeconomic status? Is there an unusually higher number of dentists in Portland doing a lot of fillings? More info is required.
Totally agree. When I drink water, I want water, not chemically laced water.
plork,
Dumb comparison. People drink water for their health. People drink beer to get intoxicated, knowing there are hundreds of chemicals in it.
The problem is that when you have an infected tooth you still show up at the emergency room rather than just dying and I have to wait to get my appendix removed because you are in surgery for something preventable. Sorry, but not your choice to make.
Road Warrior, you missed his point. I hope none of you think for one second that there are no chemicals put in to town waters. Look at places that already put fluoride in their water. Are the residents dying? Any uptick in medical cases? Nope.
There are probably worse chemicals in the water than fluoride.
I don't believe they extract teeth in emergency rooms Big Trouble.
I have spent eight years in the water treatment industry, most recently in semiconductor plants where they take city water and filter out ALL chemicals before using it to rinse the silicon wafers. So I know the chemicals in city water from agricultural, industrial and road runoff. That's why I drink bottled water only. My point is why add more chemicals than is already in the water?
to make us ill and dependent. what better way to control a society if they're sick and dependent on you. think about it. Connect the dots.
The water in my town contains fluoride. I've been there for many years, and have yet to find anyone suffering any illness related to fluoride. Admittedly when thursty I drink bottled water. But I drink plenty of coffee, water to prepare food, in ice tea mix or kool aid, etc.
All-That-Is, as far as I know, I'm not ill and dependent on anything. But if you know something I don't, please share. LOL
Enjoy your poison Portland.
Here's the thing - its pointless these days to add flouridation, even though it was a fantastic thing for reducing tooth decay for decades. But now, everyone has been convinced by filter manufacturers and bottled water producers into thinking that all water requires fitration, that only filtered or bottled water is "pure", and we see the result in rising tooth decay rates, particularly in the young. People are shocked if you are fine with drinking tap water, as I am. We need to be re-educated that tap water is most of the time in most municipalities an extremely high quality product, and only then go to the expense of flouridation. Americans buy advertising, not science education. Its pathetic.
Or could there be other causes such as high fructose corn syrup, etc? Kids aren't drinking bottled water...they are drinking sugar laden energy drinks and other garbage. Don't blame pure water for poor brushing and eating the junk that manufactures are pushing more and more. I personally avoid fluoride and high fructose corn syrup and you know what? I don't have cavities.
Bottled water isn't controlled quite as well as public drinking water.
But i do believe high-fructose corn syrup is a major cause for america's weight problem. Plus recent studies have shown that it inhibits critical thinking skills.
For those who don't know, government subsidizes corn production in the US to the point that there's more corn produced than there is demand for it. So(instead of feeding the homeless) the extra corn is made into hfcs as a cheap alternative to sugar. And it's found in nearly everything from processed foods to fruit drinks.
But Fluoride is a known neurotoxin, as you can see in studies conducted outside of the US not funded by the FDA. Always look at who funds the studies, as they can likely sponsor desired outcomes.
Dodo Avenger
Bottled water isn't controlled quite as well as public drinking water.
Virtually unregulated, in fact. You'd be amazed at the crap they allow in "Spring water.
But i do believe high-fructose corn syrup is a major cause for america's weight problem. Plus recent studies have shown that it inhibits critical thinking skills.
It also disrupts signals in the brain telling the body when it should stop eating; tricks the brain into skipping the "FULL" signal.
For those who don't know, government subsidizes corn production in the US to the point that there's more corn produced than there is demand for it. So(instead of feeding the homeless) the extra corn is made into hfcs as a cheap alternative to sugar. And it's found in nearly everything from processed foods to fruit drinks.
...Funny the food industry having so little to do with food...
But Fluoride is a known neurotoxin, as you can see in studies conducted outside of the US not funded by the FDA.
This is, in part, why toothpaste tubes even tell you not to swallow this crap...
Always look at who funds the studies, as they can likely sponsor desired outcomes.
Well... Duh...
;)
Fluoridation? Isn't that a commie plot?
"I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist indoctrination, Communist subversion and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids."
Colonel Jack Ripper, from Dr. Strangelove
Ice cream? Mandrake? Children's ice cream???
grayfox5, Thank you, thank you.
I was afraid nobody was going to remember the REAL reason that fluoridation of water was started. It was, INDEED, a Commie plot to weaken our minds.
And look how well that has worked out for the Commies.
I mean look-it: There's your teabaggers, your holocaust deniers, your intelligent designers, your cyclic weatherists, not to mention your birthers and your baby drillers.
Take your poison medicine Portland citizens like good little liberals.
Fluoridation is one of the triumphs of public health. Glad to hear Portland is entering the 19th century.
You are right...More healthcare is going to be needed. People drinking chemicals...yeah I'm sure that's going to turn out OK. Kind of like the way doctors use to endorse camels as they are better for your throat..LOL
Bart: I don tknow where your source of information comes from but I'd say it's tied into "the system" in my opinion. I've done my research and found that this CHEMICAL is not promoting health, its acutally dumbing people down, it is unnatural to our bodies, along with the chem-trails and bogus vaccinations, the list is long.
Unless Portland officials can show that the city has higher than usual levels of tooth decay, why bother? Makes one wonder if any "incentives" were offered by the industry.
Bottled water looks better all the time.
Better read the label VERY carefully on your bottled water. They're adding fluoride to that too. Don't buy ANY bottled water that hasn't been filtered via REVERSE OSMOSIS and look to see if they've added fluoride back to it. By LAW it will have to be listed on the bottle. I know WalMart's gallon jugs of DRINKING water have fluoride. All babies should only have PURE or distilled water. Fluoridated water can not only poison them but it can cause neurological damage because the blood brain barrier is not fully formed and Fluoride is a NEUROTOXIN.
There are 2 sides of this issue that are routinely discussed, but there is a 3rd one that is more important.
Why are people being drugged by the government?
Regardless of whether you feel fluoride in the water is good or bad, the real question is freedom. Leaders drugging their population because they feel it is in the public welfare to do so is not what this nation was founded on.
I'm not against fluoride itself. It's been shown to be great for people's teeth. However, it should be up to each individual whether or not they use it. Individuals should be dosing themselves, not being dosed by the government. Forcing a drug on people is dangerous territory that in my mind should never be entered. It opens the door to terrible possibilities in the name of 'public welfare and health' while removing true freedom. In every area where public drugging with fluoride occurs I strongly believe the program should be ended.
It *IS* up to the people whether they want to use it or not.
If they do not want it - they don't have to turn on the water in their homes. They can buy bottled water and use THAT, instead.
Does the NEW WORLD ORDER ring a bell ?? It's REALITY... NOT a "conspiracy theory". Why do you think Monsanto ( a CHEMICAL COMPANY ) has virtually taken over the food supply, enslaved commercial farmers and bought up all the seed companies ? Wow... are there still ppl out there that are that "uninformed" ?
...not all the seed companies; only all the biguns...
Portland is Portland. We will vote against fluoride because the issue of tooth decay has to do with nutrition and flossing, not adding a chemical to all the water. We really don't know the effect of fluoride in the big picture of all the other chemicals we're exposed to, so we're not going to do it. We don't have a sales tax and we create jobs by having other people pump our gas. We think the city council acted in a non-democratic and underhanded way and we're shocked. The way they acted is very un-Portland and all who voted for it are in for some serious comeback next election. I'm a liberal Democrat, very rational and not anti-government.
Maybe a lack of flouride is what caued that principal in Portland to say that serving peanut butter sandwiches in school is racism.