I am a diabetic and I find that 12 to 14 hours of sleep a day keeps me felling pretty good and when I am sleeping I'm not eating so my sugar stays pretty level (normal) I hope this helps me live a lot longer. For what I have no idea? I'm 6'1", 185, don't smoke or drink alcohol. I think I've been out side the house for a total of 24 hours all summer. My doctor wants to know if I've always been in such good shape.
I am a diabetic and I find that 12 to 14 hours of sleep a day keeps me felling pretty good
That's great Confussed, but most people in the real world actually have lives and commitments that don't allow us to live sloths where we can sleep for 12-14 hours a day. I really don't get all the sympathy for Type II diabetics. This 'disease' is completely self-inflicted, much like being an alcoholic or drug addict and one of the primary reasons why health care costs in this country are the highest in the world.
Individuals such as this are the primary reason why I'm against any sort of national health care program; because everyone loses any sort of financial incentive to live a healthy lifestyle, and eventually their higher health care costs are passed onto the people that do. Yes I realize that you can say the same regarding people with true pre-existing conditions, but other than that, I don't see any reason why someone why doesn't exercise or refuses to eat healthy should have the same costs as someone who does.
Not always self-inflicted. Some folks just have bad genes. I had a friend diagnosed with type II diabetes at age 32. He is very trim and active. Swam or ran for an hour every day and is a life-long vegetarian with almost no junk food in his diet. Yet he got type II diabetes.
I really don't get all the sympathy for Type II diabetics. This 'disease' is completely self-inflicted, much like being an alcoholic or drug addict
I really don't feel that much sympathy toward your position. Tom Marvolo. While a lack of intelligence, like diabetes or a tendency toward addiction, can be based on heredity - being ignorant is completely self-inflicted.
Not all diabetes II is self-inflicted. I became diabetic in my 50s, but had gestational diabetes when I was pregnant at 30. After my son was born, the diabetes went away. Gestational diabetes does gives a woman more risk of developing diabetes later in life. Diabetes can be hereditary, but no one else in my family has it.
Like 'News98', there's no sense in beating yourself up by trying to figure out what caused the disease to happen in the first place. Being obese doesn't help, but maybe I was wrong...maybe fat staves off some diseases.
I do watch what I eat making sure I eat healthy - lots of vegetables and complex carbs like fruit. I try not to eat so much bread or sugar and mostly chicken and lean meat, but do slip up once in awhile, as I do love french bread and gumdrops. I also get plenty of exercise, since I work at an amusement resort which involves lots of walking, lifting and bending. I currently weigh about 170 after losing quite a bit of weight this summer, which has helped, somewhat, in keeping my blood sugar low. I certainly don't sleep 12-14 hours a day, but do need at least 7 or 8.
I don't know of many diabetics who are looking for sympathy, just understanding and help.
I am a diabetic and I find that 12 to 14 hours of sleep a day keeps me felling pretty good
That's great Confussed, but most people in the real world actually have lives and commitments that don't allow us to live sloths where we can sleep for 12-14 hours a day. I really don't get all the sympathy for Type II diabetics. This 'disease' is completely self-inflicted, much like being an alcoholic or drug addict and one of the primary reasons why health care costs in this country are the highest in the world.
Individuals such as this are the primary reason why I'm against any sort of national health care program; because everyone loses any sort of financial incentive to live a healthy lifestyle, and eventually their higher health care costs are passed onto the people that do. Yes I realize that you can say the same regarding people with true pre-existing conditions, but other than that, I don't see any reason why someone why doesn't exercise or refuses to eat healthy should have the same costs as someone who does.
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Thank God we don't have a consensus mindset like you running our country. We'd have mass drifters, homelessness, and far more death in the world thanks to your cynical attitude.
And we fail at reading comprehension. The article states: "despite being at a higher risk of many chronic conditions, obese people seem to be protected from dying of certain diseases,".
Not convincing, and encourage people to unhealthy lifestyle that in the end are created more problems, chronic diseases and more spending on treating them.
If this were true, why is it that many with type 2 diabetes return to normal insulin levels after loosing weight and watching their diet? Could it be that many heavier diabetics are taking medications which also help reduce heart attacks, while those less fat might not, simply watching their sugar intake which they find stressful? Could it be that stress from dieting could be resolved with stress reduction techniques instead of encouraging remaining obese? Also, since diabetes can result in other organ damage, why was that info not included for a fuller and fairer understanding.
Loose as in less tight, lose as in to misplace. Points off for an otherwise well thought out response. Many medications taken over long periods of time can cause organ damage as well, kidneys, liver, etc.
Please note that the association with increased risk of death was for those who were at normal weight at the time of diagnosis. One hypothesis could be that those people who get type II diabetes even though they are at a normal weight have a strong genetic propensity towards the disease and the disease may follow a more aggressive course in these unfortunate people.
It obviously is not only about the weight. There are other health determinants besides how much you weigh. What you eat does count. If you live on Twinkies and weigh a svelte 110 lbs, you will not be healthier than if you eat lots of really good food and weigh 150 lbs. There are other factors, and this study brings that fact out. Of course to be your best, you need to strive to be a healthy weight, eat healthy food, live a clean life, exercise, and many other things probably contribute to health besides strictly weight and nothing else.
Hmmmm ..... I'm 5" 6" and 180 lbs have Type II, gout, mild h'tension, h'cholesterol for 30 yrs. Been struggling with my diet for 20 yrs to get to 170 and never made it. I've spent most of my life around 185-190 ... but NOW I'm heading to Baskin Robins. @60 yrs old ... I need to get to 195 Fast !
I'm going to go out on a limb here. Perhaps the trim people THINK they are in shape and don't exercise? Their genetics are keeping them trim but they may not be healthy at all.
I think it just goes to show that Doctors don't really have a deep understanding of the human body. When in doubt, the medical establishment likes to fall back on "lifestyle" because blaming the illness on the patient is deeply ingrained in Western culture so it's much less likely to be questioned.
For a hundred years Doctors believed all stomach ulcers were caused by stress (i.e lifestyle) until scientists found the bacteria Helicobacter pylori in 1982.
Oh you people of this study are very seriously in trouble now.
That New York and Chicago mayors and her highnest queen Meschel obuma are going to cum at ya with the full force of the far lefties and absolute libral donkey party. If you don't have yo check bones and lowor for rib ribs shown - yo surly ova wai't. EN thats they don't like. They like ta tell ya what ya want to eat
Now you tellen we live longa if ya fat - ! That's easy figun. Iya skinny - ya unemployed and starvin ta death.
If ya fat I guessen ya a fat liberal on The pres bread line an unemployed.
I'm not sure what the point of your rambling, incoherent rant was, but I'm quite sure everyone here is now more stupid for having read it. Thanks a bunch. Now go away.
People, Reading 101 again. The article doesn't say to stay fat (yes, I used the f-word) if you develop diabetes. It merely says that people who were fat when they were diagnosed have a smaller chance of dying than those who were regular-sized when they were diagnosed. As with most stories about statistics, this doesn't show a cause/effect relationship -- it only shows a correlation. The researchers admit they have no idea what the correlation is. Maybe the connection is just that fat people carry more weight around -- like the difference if a slim person carried a backpack with a 100 extra pounds everywhere they went. Maybe the fat people work harder at losing weight and exercising to reduce the effects of the disease. Who knows? As for me, I kind of like the posts that say live your life the way you want. Whether it's Baskin-Robbins or making love, just be happy.
My doctor told me that if i lose weight, my type II diabetes could go away. I wouldn't need to take medicine to control my blood sugar anymore. It appears that he is correct. Keeping the weight off is the challenge.
Kevin . . apparently your Doc was correct. If you Lose the Weight you won"t need the Meds. Because You are More Likely to be Dead!! And the diabetes will be gone too!
Enough already--just CURE DIABETES and be done with it! It is a horrible death, I saw 6 family and friends cut up and gone blind and deaf, lost feeling in hands and feet! Horrible disease---yet Congress, Drug Companies, Doctors just ignore the simple fact---CURE IT! It is a virus--cure it! This country has cured ONE disease since 1950--thats 1950 folks! POLIO! Thats it and Dr Salk only cured it cause Mrs. Dr Salk got polio! We go to Moon, now Mars, build military, pay tremendous wasted money on Congress salaries and bennies--yet ignore deadly disease cures. Pharms and Drs are making huge salaries on diabetic pills, lottsa money so why cure it? The power people get rich and a 10 year old gets diabetes and take pills. Cure diabetes and enough about it!
They really don't know everything about type II diabetes.
My father was an athlete, exercised, maintained his weight and ate healthy all of his life yet he has type II diabetes. Thin people are also diagnosed with type II diabetes. I recall there was an article on this site about it.
I was struggling to loose weight because of diabetes, but according to this new scientific research, this would really be detrimental to my health. Since fat people are outliving the thin people, now I will have that double bacon cheese burger instead of fruit salad. Who would have thought being fat could be so good!!!!!
The problem is defining overweight and obese. Overweight is not necessarily obese. Defining overweight by assigning it an arbitrary value to tell who is normal weight is the problem. Each person is different. You definitely have to go by fat % and distribution. Many athletes and body builders have large BMIs.
Most type II diabetics are overweight/obese, but not all. Diabetes will develop in people with a normal body weight if they eat a poor diet – known as “metabolically obese normal weight” and “non-obese diabetic.” The same might be true for mortality among diabetics; lean diabetics eating a significantly worse diet than obese diabetics would be at increased risk for all-cause mortality (). The fact that they have diabetes at a normal body weight might be an indicator of a poor diet.
People with under-active thyroids tend to be overweight. Once this is discovered, they are put on synthetic hormones to replace those the thyroid is not producing. They usually lose the weight. Then, these same people often develop diabetes because the synthetic hormones are known to raise blood sugar.
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Duh.... Fat protects the body against a lot of things. If it was so bad for us, why do our bodies fight us tooth and nail to KEEP it??
I am a diabetic and I find that 12 to 14 hours of sleep a day keeps me felling pretty good and when I am sleeping I'm not eating so my sugar stays pretty level (normal) I hope this helps me live a lot longer. For what I have no idea? I'm 6'1", 185, don't smoke or drink alcohol. I think I've been out side the house for a total of 24 hours all summer. My doctor wants to know if I've always been in such good shape.
That's great Confussed, but most people in the real world actually have lives and commitments that don't allow us to live sloths where we can sleep for 12-14 hours a day. I really don't get all the sympathy for Type II diabetics. This 'disease' is completely self-inflicted, much like being an alcoholic or drug addict and one of the primary reasons why health care costs in this country are the highest in the world.
Individuals such as this are the primary reason why I'm against any sort of national health care program; because everyone loses any sort of financial incentive to live a healthy lifestyle, and eventually their higher health care costs are passed onto the people that do. Yes I realize that you can say the same regarding people with true pre-existing conditions, but other than that, I don't see any reason why someone why doesn't exercise or refuses to eat healthy should have the same costs as someone who does.
Not always self-inflicted. Some folks just have bad genes. I had a friend diagnosed with type II diabetes at age 32. He is very trim and active. Swam or ran for an hour every day and is a life-long vegetarian with almost no junk food in his diet. Yet he got type II diabetes.
I really don't feel that much sympathy toward your position. Tom Marvolo. While a lack of intelligence, like diabetes or a tendency toward addiction, can be based on heredity - being ignorant is completely self-inflicted.
Not all diabetes II is self-inflicted. I became diabetic in my 50s, but had gestational diabetes when I was pregnant at 30. After my son was born, the diabetes went away. Gestational diabetes does gives a woman more risk of developing diabetes later in life. Diabetes can be hereditary, but no one else in my family has it.
Like 'News98', there's no sense in beating yourself up by trying to figure out what caused the disease to happen in the first place. Being obese doesn't help, but maybe I was wrong...maybe fat staves off some diseases.
I do watch what I eat making sure I eat healthy - lots of vegetables and complex carbs like fruit. I try not to eat so much bread or sugar and mostly chicken and lean meat, but do slip up once in awhile, as I do love french bread and gumdrops. I also get plenty of exercise, since I work at an amusement resort which involves lots of walking, lifting and bending. I currently weigh about 170 after losing quite a bit of weight this summer, which has helped, somewhat, in keeping my blood sugar low. I certainly don't sleep 12-14 hours a day, but do need at least 7 or 8.
I don't know of many diabetics who are looking for sympathy, just understanding and help.
Tom.Marvolo
That's great Confussed, but most people in the real world actually have lives and commitments that don't allow us to live sloths where we can sleep for 12-14 hours a day. I really don't get all the sympathy for Type II diabetics. This 'disease' is completely self-inflicted, much like being an alcoholic or drug addict and one of the primary reasons why health care costs in this country are the highest in the world.
Individuals such as this are the primary reason why I'm against any sort of national health care program; because everyone loses any sort of financial incentive to live a healthy lifestyle, and eventually their higher health care costs are passed onto the people that do. Yes I realize that you can say the same regarding people with true pre-existing conditions, but other than that, I don't see any reason why someone why doesn't exercise or refuses to eat healthy should have the same costs as someone who does.
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Thank God we don't have a consensus mindset like you running our country. We'd have mass drifters, homelessness, and far more death in the world thanks to your cynical attitude.
What nonsense-this article is not convincing at all-obese people are prone to all sort of diseases.
And we fail at reading comprehension. The article states: "despite being at a higher risk of many chronic conditions, obese people seem to be protected from dying of certain diseases,".
Maybe this will help, "higher risk" = prone.
Not convincing, and encourage people to unhealthy lifestyle that in the end are created more problems, chronic diseases and more spending on treating them.
So if you get type 2 diabetes, you'd better start eating & packing on the pounds, right?!
If this were true, why is it that many with type 2 diabetes return to normal insulin levels after loosing weight and watching their diet? Could it be that many heavier diabetics are taking medications which also help reduce heart attacks, while those less fat might not, simply watching their sugar intake which they find stressful? Could it be that stress from dieting could be resolved with stress reduction techniques instead of encouraging remaining obese? Also, since diabetes can result in other organ damage, why was that info not included for a fuller and fairer understanding.
Loose as in less tight, lose as in to misplace. Points off for an otherwise well thought out response. Many medications taken over long periods of time can cause organ damage as well, kidneys, liver, etc.
Please note that the association with increased risk of death was for those who were at normal weight at the time of diagnosis. One hypothesis could be that those people who get type II diabetes even though they are at a normal weight have a strong genetic propensity towards the disease and the disease may follow a more aggressive course in these unfortunate people.
It obviously is not only about the weight. There are other health determinants besides how much you weigh. What you eat does count. If you live on Twinkies and weigh a svelte 110 lbs, you will not be healthier than if you eat lots of really good food and weigh 150 lbs. There are other factors, and this study brings that fact out. Of course to be your best, you need to strive to be a healthy weight, eat healthy food, live a clean life, exercise, and many other things probably contribute to health besides strictly weight and nothing else.
Hmmmm ..... I'm 5" 6" and 180 lbs have Type II, gout, mild h'tension, h'cholesterol for 30 yrs. Been struggling with my diet for 20 yrs to get to 170 and never made it. I've spent most of my life around 185-190 ... but NOW I'm heading to Baskin Robins. @60 yrs old ... I need to get to 195 Fast !
Oh YES, this study must have been FUNDED by Snickers and WRITTEN by Lay's Potato Chips !
I'm going to go out on a limb here. Perhaps the trim people THINK they are in shape and don't exercise? Their genetics are keeping them trim but they may not be healthy at all.
Keep the A1C down and the rest is a cake walk. Statins and COQ10 if the fat is crusing your blood.
Oh screw it. Drink beer and keep making love to your honey until you die. Tomorrow they will say something different...
I think it just goes to show that Doctors don't really have a deep understanding of the human body. When in doubt, the medical establishment likes to fall back on "lifestyle" because blaming the illness on the patient is deeply ingrained in Western culture so it's much less likely to be questioned.
For a hundred years Doctors believed all stomach ulcers were caused by stress (i.e lifestyle) until scientists found the bacteria Helicobacter pylori in 1982.
Skane: Do you have an M.D. degree? Helicobacter pylori is the main cause of duodenal ulcer, not gastric (stomach).
Oh you people of this study are very seriously in trouble now.
That New York and Chicago mayors and her highnest queen Meschel obuma are going to cum at ya with the full force of the far lefties and absolute libral donkey party. If you don't have yo check bones and lowor for rib ribs shown - yo surly ova wai't. EN thats they don't like. They like ta tell ya what ya want to eat
Now you tellen we live longa if ya fat - ! That's easy figun. Iya skinny - ya unemployed and starvin ta death.
If ya fat I guessen ya a fat liberal on The pres bread line an unemployed.
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I'm not sure what the point of your rambling, incoherent rant was, but I'm quite sure everyone here is now more stupid for having read it. Thanks a bunch. Now go away.
People, Reading 101 again. The article doesn't say to stay fat (yes, I used the f-word) if you develop diabetes. It merely says that people who were fat when they were diagnosed have a smaller chance of dying than those who were regular-sized when they were diagnosed. As with most stories about statistics, this doesn't show a cause/effect relationship -- it only shows a correlation. The researchers admit they have no idea what the correlation is. Maybe the connection is just that fat people carry more weight around -- like the difference if a slim person carried a backpack with a 100 extra pounds everywhere they went. Maybe the fat people work harder at losing weight and exercising to reduce the effects of the disease. Who knows? As for me, I kind of like the posts that say live your life the way you want. Whether it's Baskin-Robbins or making love, just be happy.
My doctor told me that if i lose weight, my type II diabetes could go away. I wouldn't need to take medicine to control my blood sugar anymore. It appears that he is correct. Keeping the weight off is the challenge.
More evidence, if more was needed, that the medical authorities really do not know what they are talking about, at least half the time.
So, it's ok if I devour this entire dozen Tim Horton's donuts?
Normal-weight people still live longer than obese people, who are prone to other conditions, especially heart disease.
That's what I always thought but the article says that obese people are protected from heart disease.
Kevin . . apparently your Doc was correct. If you Lose the Weight you won"t need the Meds. Because You are More Likely to be Dead!! And the diabetes will be gone too!
Enough already--just CURE DIABETES and be done with it! It is a horrible death, I saw 6 family and friends cut up and gone blind and deaf, lost feeling in hands and feet! Horrible disease---yet Congress, Drug Companies, Doctors just ignore the simple fact---CURE IT! It is a virus--cure it! This country has cured ONE disease since 1950--thats 1950 folks! POLIO! Thats it and Dr Salk only cured it cause Mrs. Dr Salk got polio! We go to Moon, now Mars, build military, pay tremendous wasted money on Congress salaries and bennies--yet ignore deadly disease cures. Pharms and Drs are making huge salaries on diabetic pills, lottsa money so why cure it? The power people get rich and a 10 year old gets diabetes and take pills. Cure diabetes and enough about it!
A Diabetic.
They really don't know everything about type II diabetes.
My father was an athlete, exercised, maintained his weight and ate healthy all of his life yet he has type II diabetes. Thin people are also diagnosed with type II diabetes. I recall there was an article on this site about it.
Sounds like a call for a Big Mac and large fries with chocolate shake.
I was struggling to loose weight because of diabetes, but according to this new scientific research, this would really be detrimental to my health. Since fat people are outliving the thin people, now I will have that double bacon cheese burger instead of fruit salad. Who would have thought being fat could be so good!!!!!
The problem is defining overweight and obese. Overweight is not necessarily obese. Defining overweight by assigning it an arbitrary value to tell who is normal weight is the problem. Each person is different. You definitely have to go by fat % and distribution. Many athletes and body builders have large BMIs.
This article is misleading,it just confuses people into thinking its okay to be fat..[NOT]
Most type II diabetics are overweight/obese, but not all. Diabetes will develop in people with a normal body weight if they eat a poor diet – known as “metabolically obese normal weight” and “non-obese diabetic.” The same might be true for mortality among diabetics; lean diabetics eating a significantly worse diet than obese diabetics would be at increased risk for all-cause mortality (). The fact that they have diabetes at a normal body weight might be an indicator of a poor diet.
People with under-active thyroids tend to be overweight. Once this is discovered, they are put on synthetic hormones to replace those the thyroid is not producing. They usually lose the weight. Then, these same people often develop diabetes because the synthetic hormones are known to raise blood sugar.