Beyond amusing. Just yesterday I read an article stating women should NOT take extra calcium and vitamin D because their risk of kidneys stones outweighs any bone building benefits... So I guess you have a choice, possibly live longer, get kidneys stones,or break bones, or maybe just wait until tomorrow because there may be another study. I think most people are getting tired of a new study every other day that conflicts with another recent research study.
it did NOT advise anyone to take anything. unlike the study you site, seemingly. It reports results. WIth this group of people...Vit D ? with? without (see my perplexed pov post below) mattered.
They also say most of these people had health problems and may not have had adequate intakes of vitamins/D etc so it couldn't be extrapolated to other people
such as you
it is not contradictory. People think scientific advice is always contradictory. Sometimes it is but less so than people think
you have to look at the details, who was studied. Precise details.
The problem is largely with the irregularities in the reporting of science. It is a problem. Because each time something is reported enough context is not given.
They need to say when no recommendations are given. like here!
it's not meant to be advice. IT is a interesting result pointing in a direction. That is what science is like. Things are uncovered study by study.
I think people like perhaps you are ...mistake it for a CONCLUSSION. it is not a conclussion. If as you said the other thing you read had a recommendation THAT IS DIFFERENT
this has no recommendation on what to do.
I think the way science is reported confuses people. Science itself just cranks out its research results until there is enough of a consensus on one topic to reach a conclussion.
I take several vitamins because I have little faith in food value -- and, being in my 70s, would prefer to stay mobile for the rest of my life, and not end up helpless in a nursing home, as I am a busy person and enjoy doing things and feel like my overall health is important... My doctors encourage my taking vitamins and supplements..
I agree. I have been taking Calcium/Vitamin D since my early 40's, on the recommendation of my doctor. My most recent DEXA (bone density) scan showed bone density values equivalent to a woman in her 20's.
carolart--Amazing! However, while you say you've been taking it since your early 40's, you don't say how many years you've been taking it. Many women start losing bone before menopause, but most of the loss seems to be after menopause.
Worry not. this is basically just Data mining, hence the perceived paradox, all the data really shows is that people who take both tend to live longer, it doesn't try to figure out just what mechanism is at work here, thus it sounds contradictory when that might not be the case.
the scientific method starts at an observation... that's what this is... some data point that can be investigated.
Life is the leading cause of death. I too get a bit tired of all the studies that point to one thing, only a few years later to take it back. A few years ago, the antioxidants, C & E sounded so great - now they say those do nothing when taken in larger doses. In my limited knowledge, from reading the articles, it seems Vit D is the last of these "really good things" that hasn't been shown to be useless except that you must have at least a little of it.
I'll keep taking the Vit D and calcium until that next article comes out showing they don't do anything. You just have to go with the best knowledge at the time.
The question should be, can taking these supplements make you healthier - nothing can 'make you live longer' - we all die eventaully regardless of our health, so you can take whatever pills Big Pharma is pushing and still get hit by a bus.
African Americans should consider exposing the back of their calves to the sun to generate vitamin D. (They shouldn't expose their faces, because that might make them darker.)
This is typical poor reporting. Did anybody notice that the vitamin D dosage wasn't mentioned? If the study dosed at a typical 400 IU (current RDA), then the results are mostly worthless. If researchers used 2000 IU and tested blood levels to determine whether D3 levels were normal (about 60-70 ng/ml) then the study might have meaningful results.
It's not all of a sudden, it's been well known for years that vitamin D intake is inadequate. The RDA is going to increase and D3 blood level testing is standard. Low levels of vitamin D are correlated to several diseases including breast cancer.
Optimized vitamin d levels will surely help you live longer. Many health experts believe that vitamin d is important to our health and it is linked in so many diseases. If you want to know more, I suggest you read this article -
SWAG work again!
Beyond amusing. Just yesterday I read an article stating women should NOT take extra calcium and vitamin D because their risk of kidneys stones outweighs any bone building benefits... So I guess you have a choice, possibly live longer, get kidneys stones,or break bones, or maybe just wait until tomorrow because there may be another study. I think most people are getting tired of a new study every other day that conflicts with another recent research study.
did you catch the ages?
you said "women"...
this was a study of the elderly
it did NOT advise anyone to take anything. unlike the study you site, seemingly. It reports results. WIth this group of people...Vit D ? with? without (see my perplexed pov post below) mattered.
They also say most of these people had health problems and may not have had adequate intakes of vitamins/D etc so it couldn't be extrapolated to other people
such as you
it is not contradictory. People think scientific advice is always contradictory. Sometimes it is but less so than people think
you have to look at the details, who was studied. Precise details.
The problem is largely with the irregularities in the reporting of science. It is a problem. Because each time something is reported enough context is not given.
They need to say when no recommendations are given. like here!
it's not meant to be advice. IT is a interesting result pointing in a direction. That is what science is like. Things are uncovered study by study.
I think people like perhaps you are ...mistake it for a CONCLUSSION. it is not a conclussion. If as you said the other thing you read had a recommendation THAT IS DIFFERENT
this has no recommendation on what to do.
I think the way science is reported confuses people. Science itself just cranks out its research results until there is enough of a consensus on one topic to reach a conclussion.
I take several vitamins because I have little faith in food value -- and, being in my 70s, would prefer to stay mobile for the rest of my life, and not end up helpless in a nursing home, as I am a busy person and enjoy doing things and feel like my overall health is important... My doctors encourage my taking vitamins and supplements..
good for you
stay strong, and you will bounce back from injuries, or do so better, then those who don't
I agree. I have been taking Calcium/Vitamin D since my early 40's, on the recommendation of my doctor. My most recent DEXA (bone density) scan showed bone density values equivalent to a woman in her 20's.
carolart--Amazing! However, while you say you've been taking it since your early 40's, you don't say how many years you've been taking it. Many women start losing bone before menopause, but most of the loss seems to be after menopause.
Is it me or is this illogical/contradictory?
"However, they found that taking vitamin D alone had no effect on mortality rates.....
Taking vitamin D, with or without calcium, had a significant effect on mortality rates only after three years;..."
which is it people?
does VIt D alone "without calcium" have a significant effect OR does it have NO effect...on mortality rates.
Truly, I am now left completely perplexed as to what was learned in this research. And no, I don't think it was the scientists.
I hate sloppy science reporting. words matter.
do we need to take calcium with are D? is it useless to take D without calcium according to this research? MSNBC reporting leaves us in the dark
ergh
Worry not. this is basically just Data mining, hence the perceived paradox, all the data really shows is that people who take both tend to live longer, it doesn't try to figure out just what mechanism is at work here, thus it sounds contradictory when that might not be the case.
the scientific method starts at an observation... that's what this is... some data point that can be investigated.
It's a proven fact if you don't die early, you will live longer.
100% of the people I called, agreed with me.
From your peanut factory of knowledge
Life is the leading cause of death. I too get a bit tired of all the studies that point to one thing, only a few years later to take it back. A few years ago, the antioxidants, C & E sounded so great - now they say those do nothing when taken in larger doses. In my limited knowledge, from reading the articles, it seems Vit D is the last of these "really good things" that hasn't been shown to be useless except that you must have at least a little of it.
I'll keep taking the Vit D and calcium until that next article comes out showing they don't do anything. You just have to go with the best knowledge at the time.
The question should be, can taking these supplements make you healthier - nothing can 'make you live longer' - we all die eventaully regardless of our health, so you can take whatever pills Big Pharma is pushing and still get hit by a bus.
African Americans should consider exposing the back of their calves to the sun to generate vitamin D. (They shouldn't expose their faces, because that might make them darker.)
All of a sudden millions of people (including myself) need more Vitamin D.
What's up with that?
This is typical poor reporting. Did anybody notice that the vitamin D dosage wasn't mentioned? If the study dosed at a typical 400 IU (current RDA), then the results are mostly worthless. If researchers used 2000 IU and tested blood levels to determine whether D3 levels were normal (about 60-70 ng/ml) then the study might have meaningful results.
It's not all of a sudden, it's been well known for years that vitamin D intake is inadequate. The RDA is going to increase and D3 blood level testing is standard. Low levels of vitamin D are correlated to several diseases including breast cancer.
Optimized vitamin d levels will surely help you live longer. Many health experts believe that vitamin d is important to our health and it is linked in so many diseases. If you want to know more, I suggest you read this article -