Opinion: Youth hockey injuries border on child abuse

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Some parents are reconsidering whether to let their kids play youth hockey because of the risk of serious injuries. Bioethicist Art Caplan says they have a point.

The NHL hockey playoffs are under way. The contact is fierce and the fans love it. I do, too. But there is big trouble brewing for the future of hockey, football and other contact sports -- concussions. If hockey does not change, it has a dim future. Not because of the injuries being suffered by professional players but because of parents trying to do the right thing by keeping their kids away from a dangerous sport.

The rates of injury in youth hockey, especially concussions, are frightening. Among some 9,000 11- and 12-year-old players in Alberta, Canada, there are some 700 concussions in a season, as the New York Times reported in 2010. They are so bad, it is hard to imagine a parent letting a kid play contact hockey. 

Given what is being learned about the long-term damage caused by concussions, how long will parents be willing to let their kids play hockey? Not long, I think.

The number of kids playing contact hockey in Canada is, according to recent studies, dropping. It is easy to see why. With high-profile stars such as Sidney Crosby, Chris Pronger, Claude Giroux, Zbynek Michalek, Jeff Skinner and Mike Richards all sidelined this season for long stints because of concussions, what is a parent to think about encouraging a child to play? The Canadian Medical Association in a just-published article asks a question that parents will dread and the NHL won’t like: “Hockey concussion: Is it child abuse?” The answer for many parents seems to be: yes.

If you listen to sports talk radio, the airwaves are full of hosts and callers decrying the "wussification" of hockey -- and football, too.  "You cannot take the big hits out of these games without destroying them," the lamentation goes. 

Perhaps. But how many parents are going to let their kids play a game trying to emulate their heroes when the icons are regularly getting their bells rung? It is one thing to face the risk of brain damage as an adult to get a big paycheck. It is another thing for a parent to watch a school-age son get smacked in the head with a stick or have his head knocked into the boards. Parents increasingly are going to feel they ought not let their kids play. 

Think I am wrong? Shift over to football.

Not so long ago, I had a chance to talk to former NFL pro middle linebacker Harry Carson, who played with distinction for the New York Giants. I asked him if he would want his son to play college or pro football.  He said no, that the game is far too dangerous. The risk of concussion in the game now makes encouraging a kid to play football irresponsible.

Parents are in a horrific bind. Their kids want to play contact sports but their coaches want them to emulate the pros. Oversight groups make noises about a safer game, but the concussion rate grows and grows. Parents want their kids to play sports to keep them out of trouble and to encourage habits and virtues that will help them later in life. But they certainly don't want to see them with headaches, memory loss and learning difficulties later on, either.

The industry that is contact sports in North America is not going away any time soon. But it is in trouble, even if few are willing to say so. If the NHL and NFL cannot make their games safer, those who insist on the big hits will find fewer pros available to play because more parents will chose safety over risk. As evidence grows about the toll concussions take on the pros, the chance that a parent will let a child take those risks gets smaller every day.

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Arthur Caplan, Ph.D., is a professor in the Department of Medical Ethics and Health Policy at the University of Pennsylvania.

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This guy is an idiot.

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#1 - Fri Apr 13, 2012 2:20 PM EDT

Right, might as well lock your kid in a padded room so nothing can ever happen to them. In my opinion, over protection of kids is child abuse as well. Life is for living, not cowering in a corner afraid of everything.

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#1.1 - Fri Apr 13, 2012 2:38 PM EDT

Hockey is in decline because of the cost, nothing more, nothing less. I should know, I estimate I spent about 50k in the 12 years my son played. Parents just can't afford it right now and coaches get too crazy with the travel. To say it has anything to do with the hitting sounds like it comes from an overbearing mom who is afraid little Timmy doesn't have the sack to compete. $800 sounds a lot better for bills than for a pair of skates, and $200 a stick when they break 4 or 5 a year starts to add up.

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#1.2 - Fri Apr 13, 2012 3:26 PM EDT

I didn't recommend it but I let my son play high school football because he wanted to even with the warning about injuries that could plague him the rest of his life.

  • 5 votes
#1.3 - Fri Apr 13, 2012 6:57 PM EDT

I enthusiastically second the opinion that this guy is an idiot. I can only begin to imagine what he thinks of tree houses, bicycles, mini bikes, go karts, roller coasters, swimming in the ocean, climbing on anything, dog pile, king of the hill, running. . . basically anything fun for a kid. Everything has risk. What an a**hole.

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#1.4 - Fri Apr 13, 2012 10:41 PM EDT
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He is not an idiot. There is a big difference between stopping your kid from riding a bike because they might fall and get scratched and playing a sport with a concussion rate of 7/90. Only the simple minded think keeping children from this dangerous sport is equivalent to keeping kids from doing anything with any risk. Its called moderation. Its called intelligent decision making.

But go on thinking that avoiding something with a high rate of serious head injuries is for wusses. Unless hockey for kids can get a lot safer it should be avoided.

  • 23 votes
#1.5 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 6:00 AM EDT

Concussions across all sports are still being studied and no one knows the true long term impacts yet. Some studies are showing that kids can potentially suffer more concussions during sports than their adult counterparts. It's counterintuitive but, even though they don't get hit so hard by their opponents as adults do, their weaker neck muscles don't support their head as well (similar reaction as a bobble-head). VA Tech has done studies using youth football helmets equiped with multiple impact sensors that provide the supporting data. I'm sure they aren't they only university doing so.

  • 5 votes
#1.6 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 6:11 AM EDT
Comment author avatarChris DugasExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Insinuating that putting my child in youth hockey is tantamount to abusing them. Why don't you stick to medical ethics and leave parental ethics to parents you arrogant prick.

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#1.7 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 8:43 AM EDT

Child abuse? Far from it! I have coached hockey for several years and my son has played for over fifteen years! The name of the game is teamwork, not headhunting! Hockey players have most protective equipment than any other sport. Dr. Kaplan, if you want to have a field day for your next child abuse report, go after video gaming industry! Now that's abuse!

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#1.8 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 8:55 AM EDT

I am not sure about the stats since it can be twisted in any which way you want. However, to compare climbing a tree or riding a bike to contact sport is lame. A closer comparison could be if and when you let your kid to slam his head against the tree for sport. This "wuss" argument is far worse, you are presuming that kids that play other sports are not as tough or tougher.

Look to make the sport safer without making it uninteresting. "Wuss" kids may in fact be more independent than a vegetable later in their life.

  • 12 votes
#1.9 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 9:05 AM EDT

What next - no bicycles because your delicate little china pieces could fall off - or worse - get their new jeans caught in the chain?? Give me a break you spineless piece of fecal matter...You're all that is wrong with raising kids today. These sports are great for kids - the $$ cost of playing them isn't. Still, kids today could be doing much worse...and many of them are.

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#1.10 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 9:07 AM EDT

I'd love to play against this doofus on the ice and plant him into the glass for being such a big pussah.

As a youth coach, player, and on ice official, for anyone to suggest youth hockey is any more dangerous than any other contact sport is ridiculous at best. Kids get hurt in soccer from collisions. Kids get hurt in football. Kids get hurt in baseball. Kids get hurt at practically anything you want to throw out there.

Arthur, you're an idiot.

  • 3 votes
#1.11 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 9:19 AM EDT

I think the real point here is that kids have been playing youth hockey for years. The human race has survived.

This reminds me of that story saying kids were going to die from salmonella because the refrigerators where they kept their lunch at school weren't cold enough. Kids have been doing that forever, everyone's still alive.

  • 4 votes
#1.12 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 9:42 AM EDT

This author brings up a good point and is not an idiot. Just because you disagree doesn't make him an idiot. In my town it now seems like everyone is getting a concussion, but there is risk of concussions in any contact sport. It doesn't seem like people are just getting concussions from hockey and football. I've seen concussions from pole vaulting, field hockey, and baseball.

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#1.13 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 10:05 AM EDT

J in Ohio, I agree 100%, I have had 2 sons who played since they were 5, yes the cost was high, but the experience and discipline they learned was worth it. Now in college, one still plays and serious injuries or concussions, none.

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#1.14 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 10:09 AM EDT

Typically a "can't see the forest for the trees" opinion from someone who chooses to only consider one aspect of the problem. My son participated in youth hockey from beginner to prep high school hockey. These kids are protected from head to toe like no other sport. Most of the injuries that I saw were due to ill fitting or substandard equipment purchases by parents trying to save some money in an admittedly expensive youth sport. I have seen knee caps split because the parent tried to get another year out of way too small knee/shin pads or concussions caused by taking the foam out of a helmet because they didnt want to buy a larger one for the season.

When played as a teamwork sport, it is a fantastic experience for the youths. It is when the coaches turn to encouraging aggression when skills are below par is when injuries increase. Parents yelling encouragement for their kid to slam or hurt the opponent is common. My son participated in youth hockey without any injury except for a sprain or bruise occasionally. His only major sport injury was a concussion caused by a baseball thrown at his head in a little league game.

I contend that youth hockey players experience fewer and less sever injuries than those playing soccer, basketball, la cross and football.

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#1.15 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 10:18 AM EDT

I'm definitely against over protecting children against every bump and bruise out there. Heck, mine takes karate and is currently competing in a tournament as I type this. It builds character, teaches them team building, keeps them in shape and helps toughen them up for what is awaiting them in adulthood.

However, when you're talking about multiple concussions, this is where the brain is involved. If I got my biology correct, that's kind of an important organ. We're not talking bumps, bruises and the occasional bloody nose here.

I'm not saying that I would never let my kid play hockey but in a league where the coaches wants to turn the rink into a war zone, there is a line in the sand between sport a "win at all cost" mentality.

Even back in the prehistoric days when I was coming up and playing sports and PR wasn't even discovered yet, we still had rules of sportsman-like conduct we were expected to follow.

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#1.16 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 10:47 AM EDT

Another martial arts mom here weighing in and I agree with Carolyn G. My boys are now adults and have no headaches or other negative symptoms. If anything their academic performance was improved due to the self discipline and physical activity. The major consideration is that you not just dump your kid off and hope the coach / instructor is doing what you want.

If we do not let and even encourage our kids to play sports what do they do? Video games. Tell me how some fat pimple faced kid (resulting from eating junk food and sitting all day) is emotionally better off. Then add the fact video games stimulate the mind but do nothing for the body. Inevitably kids are better behaved and more focused when they run off their excess energy instead of building up stress hormones fighting pretend monster / soldiers while glued to a video game screen. In addition, I think the cause and effect lessons learned in contact sports are far more useful that the consequenceless violence of video games.

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#1.17 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 11:08 AM EDT

Yup, looks to me like the kids are playing the game like the adults. They, too, get into fights and injure each other.

    #1.18 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 11:22 AM EDT

    @mycorner :

    A closer comparison could be if and when you let your kid to slam his head against the tree for sport.

    I couldn't agree with you more - I grew up in a hockey state, from 1-12th grade I had more concussions from downhill skiing (once directly into a tree) than any of the boys playing hockey - some even went pro. I was a great skier but small, an idiot who couldn't handle the ice and was going to fast smashed into me and skied over my head (concussion #2)....(hitting the tree was because I was busy talking to my friend and not looking where I was going).

    I also worked at the local ice rink, I never had to call an ambulance for the pee wee's or anyone 18 and under, it was the 35 year old guys that played every Sunday - for them I kept an ambulance on standby (not joking) - not for concussions but breaking teeth, blood on ice stuff etc.... and they all lived to brag about it. I think any team sport is good for a child and I do think that the coaches care for the welfare of the children.

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    #1.19 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 11:37 AM EDT

    The person who wrote this article is named "Art."

    Enough said.

      #1.20 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:16 PM EDT

      Hockey is dangerous? But heading a soccer ball isn't? More high school cheerleaders are injured every year than any sport they cheer for!

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      #1.21 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:18 PM EDT

      Being an ER/ICU Registered Nurse for 34 years, and having my son play hockey from aged 3 to 22, I am well aware of what the author is trying to say. I LOVE Hockey, and Football, and Rugby, and my son played them all. We were lucky he never suffered a concussion, that we knew of, but he did suffer a broken shoulder, and a few broken arms. The sport is pure art and joy. However like all wonderful things, there are way too many a__-hole parents and coaches who, living vicariously through their children, have the kids play too rough, and there isn't any way to stop them. My son's broken shoulder was a pure 'assination attempt' by a goon-of-a-kid, who was sent out purely to hurt him, and you know what the kid got? A 10-Minute Game Misconduct. Oh, and this was after he already had broken another of my son's teammates collar bone! My son just had surgery on this shoulder last January to clean out scar tissue that has still bothered him to this day. Is that worth 10 Minutes? The emphasis of the game, especially when they are young, needs to be on the skills, not on hitting. I think that full-on-scale Checking shouldn't be allowed until the kids are all of a more similar size, like High School age. When they are younger, there is too much in differences of musculo-skeletal development, and this is from a parent who's son was 6-feet tall in the 7th grade. But, one of his best friends, who didn't grow until he was in the 10th grade, loved hockey and was really good @ it, quit in the 7th grade, because he remained small. I think that all of the dirty tricks that are taught & played, should be punished w/ susensions, and if a team has too many, the coach should be suspended also. There should be a way of tracking those kids who hurt others purposefully, like the kid who broke my son's shoulder (a good friend, who son played on the other team told me that this kid was known to "break about one arm a game"). Aside from the severity of concussions, there are other injuries that will carry on for a lifetime with those injured, like knee, ankle, shoulders, back inuries. The serious checking and fighting should not be allowed until they are more stronger and older. Oh, and in the NHL, like the stupid attack on Zetterberg by Shane Weber? I think Weber should have been thrown out for the rest of that series of playoff. It was purposeful, that was obvious, and uncalled for. The science is showing that repeated, even small hits to the head, can cause progressive brain damage, to adults (though small children and women who have similar-sized brains in a smaller bony frame of the head, are more prone to the severity of hitting their heads). Please, all you sport-loving adults, don't 'loose your heads', and keep the focus on keeping our athletes healthy and fit, keep the focus on the positive aspects of sports, like teamwork, cameraderie, friendship, achieving goals, and leave the Assination and Goon-like play out of the sports. Truth is, at the youth levels, 99.8% of those kids are never going pro, or even to play @ college. Let's keep it real!

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      #1.22 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:31 PM EDT

      Yesterday a 12 year old boy was killed when warming up for a baseball game in Oswego Illinois. He was warming up standing near where two other boys were warming up throwing the baseball back and forth. The ball hit him in the neck.

      Let's ban baseball!(sarcasm) Tragedies happen. As do injuries.

        #1.23 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 1:09 PM EDT

        Was it your twelve year old son? ....... Didn't think so ..... Everyone has opinions don't they? The author is trying to make the point its all fun and games untill someone loses a life, not trying to get people to show thier butts just like Devil's Son did ...... BTW I did lose my son after 12 years of Ice Hockey, not to a concusion, but to a car accident. Did concussions have any thing to do with it, I'll never know there was'nt a autopsy because of the head injuries he sustained.

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        #1.24 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 2:12 PM EDT

        This guy is not an idiot. Your brain is it... you can loose a finger, a hand, and even a leg and still be you. You damage the brain significantly, and you may end up not being you. I played contact sports from 8 years old and suffered several injuries... if its a matter of bruises and bones, well, not so bad. But when you are talking about the brain, that is something different.

        Please think about this. What are the coaches motivated by? Nice things... right? Winning games, teaching some skills, instilling some values... right? Now, what are these doctors motivated by? Increasing health and saving lives... Please don't be so quick dismiss them. I'm not sure why people don't think they have your kid's best interest at heart.

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        #1.25 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 2:17 PM EDT

        Good point Bob, let's not forget the NCAA was formed at the beginning of the last century to curb deaths on collegiate football fields. That's right, deaths!

        Cogito, I think at this point coaches are motivated by the NFL and NBA. Public schools may pay the coach's checks, but they're really working for the pros. Somehow our schools have become recruiting and training centers for a private entertainment industry that is exempt from anti-trust legislation. Professional sports are the closest thing to socialism we have in this country. Essentially every student in the country is recruited.

        We had coaches come to our 8th grade class to solicit boys to join the football team before we even set foot in high school. We were not solicited to join any other extra-curricular activity except football.

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        #1.26 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 2:35 PM EDT

        There are a lot of other things a child can do to learn these virtues. There is always Cub Scouts and Girl Scouts. Jigsaw Puzzles are a great way to teach patience and doing it as a group can teach many more attributes. Fishing also teaches us many things and I haven't meet to many kids that don't like to fish, it seems the fish are not the only thing that gets hooked. Don't forget target practice, which can be done with all sorts of materials even foam darts. If you really want to teach them values in life buy them a piece of land so they have something to call their own. Land can be purchased for as little as a $1 + doc fees. The youngest land owner in my family is 4. What ever you do to teach them, have fun. Enjoy your kids before they turn into the monsters that want to destroy you. Show them how to enjoy life without putting a price on it they may not be able to afford.

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        #1.27 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 2:36 PM EDT

        His argument is debunked with one word. Money...

          #1.28 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 4:21 PM EDT
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          My only question... how do you "loose" a finger?

            #1.30 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 4:53 PM EDT

            Didn't we all read an article recently on head gear for crawling kids? This pampered generation of 'special' and 'gifted' kids is in for a rude awakening when real ole LIFE slaps them in the face. death is everywhere...ooooooohhhh....lets run and hide.

            • 3 votes
            #1.31 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 7:48 PM EDT

            "... leave parental ethics to parents you arrogant prick."

            There's a Kodak moment.

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            #1.32 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 8:49 PM EDT

            '...and this is from a parent who's son was 6-feet tall in the 7th grade."

            The game is always 'fair' for that family.

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            #1.33 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 8:54 PM EDT

            RE-GODDAMN-DICULOUS. Teach the kids how to hit properly when they're just learning the contact aspect of hockey, that's literally all it takes. Methinks this guy has never laced 'em up.

              #1.34 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 10:23 PM EDT

              cheetah your an iddiot because they never said it was always fair, quite the opposite as a matter of fact.

              But you must be one of those who believes everyone is a winner if you dont keep score.

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              #1.35 - Sun Apr 15, 2012 12:47 AM EDT

              What they should do is play international rules in youth hockey. Under international rules, checking is not allowed. This makes the game about skating, passing, and shooting skills - which is what it should be about to start with. Pro hockey has become far too much about pounding people into the boards and trying to take out the opposing team's top players. Hockey needs to go back to being about skill and not about brute force with teams having enforcers whose only skill is their ability to slam someone into the boards with great force. Every team has those players who are marginal skater and piss poor passers and shooters who are only on the team because of their size and ability to deliver hard hits. This is not what hockey should be about.

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              #1.36 - Sun Apr 15, 2012 1:13 AM EDT

              The physical aspect of hockey is important at higher levels. There is no need to shelter kids from it, the important thing is to teach them respect for the game and their opponents at a young age as well as teaching them to the right way to give and take a hit when they are older.

                #1.37 - Sun Apr 15, 2012 1:07 PM EDT

                I am ashamed to hear such name calling from parents, it is no wonder some children are playing to win no matter what the injury to an opponent! In reading his article, Dr. Caplan is merely giving something for parents to think about! Hockey injuries are not only about concussions--read about the serious youth hockey player injuries in MN this past season; Jack Jablonski, Jenna Privette, and Dan Leinemann. We need to see changes in the rules and penalties to bring theses games back to good sportsmanship!

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                #1.38 - Mon Apr 16, 2012 11:10 PM EDT

                I love hockey. I grew up watching "Hockey Night in Canada", played recreational (non-checking)hockey as an adult (poorly), my son played for a couple of years and I helped coach youth hockey for a couple of years. I can see both sides of this issue. Checking is not allowed in the youngest age groups (incidentally, few things in life are more entertaining than watching a bunch of 4 year-olds play organized hockey). The age at which checking is allowed should probably be raised. Coaches and parents need to emphasize that the purpose of a check to to take the opponent off the puck, and not to intimidate or injure. Better, more effective equipment, especially helmets, need to be developed. The ice is hard, and falling and smacking your head on it is at least as likely to cause a concussion as a hard check into the boards.

                Professional hockey also has to change, since this is the standard to which young hockey players aspire to and emulate. As one who grew up when the NHL was composed of 6 teams, I believe professional hockey took a turn for the worse when it expanded into markets where there was no history of recreational hockey as a winter sport. What do people in Phoenix and Florida know about hockey? Fans showed up wanting to see fights, leading to the birth of goon hockey, which was tolerated by the league for monetary reasons. If you doubt this, listen to the crowd roar the next time a fight breaks out. When I was a kid professional players didn't even wear helmets, and although I haven't done the research to prove it, my impression is that there were fewer serious injuries back then, although fewer teeth were in evidence. I've heard of present-day team management threatening to fire any player who wears a face-protecting cage such as those required in college hockey. They claim that it is because with a cage the fans can't see the players' faces but the reality is that a cage makes the hockey fight obsolete.

                Hockey is a great sport, exciting to watch and fun to play. Let's all work to get it back to being about skill and sportsmanship. When was the last time you saw a bench-clearing brawl in a professional hockey game? They use to be commonplace, but the penalties became so severe for coming off the bench that they disappeared. Similarly, rule changes could drastically reduce the number of hockey concussions at all levels of the sport if we, as fans of the game, demand it.

                  #1.39 - Tue Apr 17, 2012 1:23 PM EDT

                  The whole concussion thing is a little out of hand. Having one or even two concussions playing sports throughout your lifetime isn't the problem, it's getting repeated concussions, like having more then one in a season, or having four, five, six throughout your lifetime is getting dangerous. But think about boxing, and how often those guys get hit in the head, you can't even compare that to Hockey or Football. I think parents should let there kids play sports but if they get to many injuries then the parent needs to explain to the kid what the risks going forward and that you might pull him from sports.

                    #1.40 - Fri Apr 20, 2012 10:34 AM EDT

                    Hockey is in decline because it not HOCKEY anymore it's a boxing match.

                    Penalize the players for dropping their gloves and sluggin' it out, as they would be penalized in ANY OTHER SPORT, and Hockey MAY begin to see a revival.

                    Hockey fans are INSANE!

                    I think they would cheer if starving children were thrown into the ring with some raw meat and lions..........

                      #1.41 - Wed May 30, 2012 4:09 PM EDT

                      Speaking of idiots, there are a lot of them on here. Let me start with a little education.

                      First, a helmet, at best is only marginally helpful in preventing concussions. Concussions are caused by the brain slamming into the wall of the skull. All a helmet does is attempt to slow down the deceleration or accelaration caused by the hit. It is this acelaration and deceleration that causes the brain to strike the wall of the skull and even the best helmet is only marginally affective at doing so. In my career in law enforcement I drug a couple of dead bodies out of cars that had minimal obvious injuries. They died from massive brain trauma even though there were few or no signs of injury. Dale Earnhardt is a shining example of this.

                      Second, I would bet many of the coaches on here are in fact part of the problem. Every time I see a coach talking about wussifying a sport I see a bad coach, period. A real coach stresses all the good aspects of the sport without calling someone looking to reduce injuries a wuss.

                      Third, how does the extremely rare incident of a child being killed in baseball annul the very real danger of hockey or football? Hint, it doesn't except in the mind of those unable to think rationally. Baseball is much, much safer than hockey or football, period. BTW, the kid struck in the neck by the ball died a few years back not just yesterday. It was tragic.

                      Fourth, hockey is out of control when it comes to violence. We have junior league hockey in our city that has a controlled fight every half. You know it is controlled because the officials stand back and let them go at it for about 10 seconds before they try to break it up. It is ridiculous. Only a neanderthal would think that is a sport. That is why hockey is declining since the decline started before the economic crash. My wife is a northerner who raved about hockey as a kid and regals our son with tales of afternoons spent prepping the pond rink for pick up games. She loves to tell how she played before the boys got too big to play with and of her brothers exploits as a local hockey star. We used to take our girls to professional games in Europe. However, when she went to the junior hockey game here as a mother she was shocked and has since swore it off as a sport as it is currently promoted in the USA and Canada.

                      Our son is a soccer player and as parents we have spent thousands hauling almost all over the country to play club soccer. He is being recruited to play soccer at the college level but probably won't since of the few schools offering his chosen career field very few offer male soccer (gotta love Title IX). In short, we are not anti sport or even anti hockey or football. We are, however, anti the many nuts coaching the sports here in the US and advocating for things to remain as they are....

                        #1.42 - Tue Dec 4, 2012 1:03 PM EST
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                        I played hockey this a.m. - I'm 56 years old - my son started at 4 and ultimately played Junior Hockey and in college - I have seen hundreds of games and in that time he had two teammates have a concussion and I saw an adult players get one in a pickup game - And sure there may have been a couple missed. Do I think some of what I see in the NHL is out of control? Yes. But we have instituted rules for hitting from behind, helmets are better etc. I'm sorry maybe Neil Armstrong and his crew shouldn't have gone to the moon because it was dangerous, and Lewis and Clark were certainly foolish - and Ben Franklin could have got zapped messing with the electric stuff and maybe Edison too. Seriously stop this crap - there are enough responsible adults along with helicopter parents around to police things.

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                        Reply#2 - Fri Apr 13, 2012 2:45 PM EDT

                        "...there are enough responsible adults along with helicopter parents around to police things.

                        Yes, every now and then they attack a coach or ref, berate a child or brawl on the field. And why are violent sports mandatory in public school? They certainly don't inspire students to create or discover something significant,,, like electricity.

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                        #2.1 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 7:07 AM EDT

                        Violent sports are not mandatory in public schools. I don't know where you got that idea. I went to public schools all through my education, and I've never played a sport that could be qualified as "violent." The mandatory PE classes consisted of softball, badmitton (sp?), track, golf, calisthenics, that kind of thing. We never played a contact sport in a mandatory class because that would be begging for a lawsuit. Heck, kids aren't even allowed to play dodgeball at recess of their own volition. Those who want to play any remotely "violent" sport have to sign all kinds of waivers and get physicals. I can't imagine a school in this country forcing a child into violent contact sports.

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                        #2.2 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 8:37 AM EDT

                        I had football in P.E. all four years of high school. We had wrestling all four years as well. Nothing like mat burns and nausea to start the school day. I was top of my weight class for the first two years so I had to wrestle every day. I hated it but I'd win. Then I started cutting class junior year and am glad I did.

                        Four years of mandatory P.E. yet I couldn't get my hands on some clay until senior year. Not much of a high school education for a sculptor.

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                        #2.3 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 9:00 AM EDT

                        @RevSpinnaker

                        Your school must have been in the minority. I've never heard of a school forcing kids to play contact sports during P.E. and I think any school who does do that is in the wrong.

                        However, I don't think kids should be stopped from playing contact sports if they so choose. I wouldn't trade anything for my experiences playing high school football and basketball.

                          #2.4 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 9:49 AM EDT

                          Sorry Rev - but here is the deal - this is not a mandatory sport it is a voluntary activity - and to pick out incidents that happen not regularly but rarely is silly. If you want to talk child abuse - let's do it - because for for the record I have been in social work my entire adult life - I have worked with a really abused children and adult who were abused as children. Anytime you want to compare a sample of 1000 people from the general public and 1000 hockey parents on the dimension of abuse and violence be my guest.

                            #2.5 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 10:21 AM EDT

                            I hear what you're saying, Patrick. I played sports all my life and have endured many injuries. I even played hockey for a few years and took a puck to unpadded areas. As a matter of fact, talking about it now makes me want to dig out my sticks again. I still have many of the scars from these sports but I wouldn't have it any other way. I can't imagine how the children of these helicopter parents are going to manage as adults when mommy is no longer there to shelter them from every little thing. They'll be scared of their own shadows.

                            However, even back before helicopter parents, before mandatory helmets, pads, the watering down of many sports, the "every kid is a winner" mentality, and PR, there were always a code of conduct you needed to follow on the field, if you didn't, you were warming the benches.

                            I think that's the main element missing from today's sports and this is what's ultimately killing it.

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                            #2.6 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 11:01 AM EDT

                            The problem is not hockey itself or with adults who play hockey. And Dr. Kaplan admitted readily to being a hockey fan. This was not an attack on hockey.

                            But kids are a much different consideration than adults. Kids' bodies and brains are still developing. Until around age 26 for men and 24 for women, there is a lot of development going on. A concussion in an adult has a chance of healing a great deal because of the brain's ability to "re-wire" itself. A concussion in a 9-year-old could easily stop developmental processes in such a way that the brain could not compensate. There would be no re-wiring because the brain was not fully wired in the first place.

                            In addition, kid's bodies are still developing and are very much more vulnerable to injuries, especially broken bones and damage to cartilege and tendons than an adult.

                            I used to coach Little League baseball. And I came to believe that a very significant number of parents want their kids in sports as a surrogate for their own youthful non-participation of failures in sports. I have watched parents spank kids for fielding errors. I watched one time in a T-Ball game where the kid hit the ball but ran to third base instead of first. His mother took his batting helmet and beat the crap out of him for the error. I had any number of parents threaten, cajole, and try to convince me that their kid should be played for full games knowing that it would mean that another kid would not get to play.

                            The kids love sports -- but anyone who has ever coached kids knows that "winning" takes a distant seat in terms of what kids enjoy. They enjoy learning new skills. They enjoy the comraderie. They love the activity and being outdoors. They enjoy the structure. But mostly they wish their parents would never go to a game. And the concept of competitiveness simply eludes kids younger than about 13-14 years old.

                            I believe that kids should have the opportunity to play sports if they so desire. But the kid should sincerely want to play the sport, not just to please the parents. And there should be lots of non-competitive opportunities that can develop skills without so much risk of permanent injury. I see too many parents still who were dismal failures at sports in their youth, so they drag the sulking kids to games that they hate.

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                            #2.7 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:02 PM EDT

                            "A concussion in a 9-year-old could easily stop developmental processes" explains the GOP.

                            Hockey if taught and played by the rules is as safe as any contact sport. One reason we have a obese youth population is they don't play sports. Kids learn from example, Youth Hockey is not played the same as Pro Hockey when you keep the parents out of the game.

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                            #2.8 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:25 PM EDT

                            @chris..... "... but anyone who has ever coached kids knows that winning takes a distant seat in terms of what kids enjoy." I call B.S. It has been my experience that although no official score is recorded the majority of kids keep score themselves anyway. The only reason it seems some kids don't care about winning is because "winning" has been removed as the reason to play the game. If the goal isn't to win then why bother having leagues and playing games? Just throw a bunch of balls out and let the kids play catch and/or bat at will. I suppose you coach in leagues where every one bats each inning, there are no outs, the score is not kept and at the end of the season everyone gets the same trophy. While that might make the less talented kids, and their parents, happy it ruins the sport for everyone else. But in today's PC world anything that might cause a child to realize they are not perfect is taboo. What we are ending up with are entire generations of people with false self esteem and over inflated ego's who are unable to deal with or even acknowlege failure as adults. Nor do they accept responsibility for their failures. It is always someone elses fault.

                              #2.9 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 1:02 PM EDT

                              I have 4 kids that have played competitive sports through there childhood, 3 played soccer and 1 plays ice hockey. We have had and seen far more serious injuries on the soccer field than in the rink. USA Hockey is working diligently to increase awareness and create a safer game while still teaching all aspects of the game. To suggest that it is child abuse is ridiculous and embarrassing...I refuse to wrap my child in bubble-wrap and stick him in front of a video game where he can simulate a real life experience! Get the facts...

                                #2.10 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 1:07 PM EDT

                                I would also add that in some ways, the additional safety is actually detrimental. There was a recent report related to kids and NFL, particularly that because padding is so much better than it used to be, kids are taught to use their head for impact, rather than their shoulder. What you end up with are kids that rely heavy on their padding, rather than their own common sense.
                                Personally, I think they should have less or even no padding. The sport should be a way for kids to learn their limits, not to make them human wrecking machines.

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                                #2.11 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 1:18 PM EDT
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                                HOCKEY ROCKS! BEST SPORT EVER. Seriously- it takes skill to play this game. That said:

                                This is the stupidest thing I have ever read! Seriously- put your boys in a Tutu and turn them into girls. OH wait- I know a male ballerina who got his nose broken when the girl he lifted came down and hit him with her elbow... BAN BALLET TOO!

                                Boys are rough and tough! I have a couple of boys and they are always playing rough no matter what the game is- why not give them some padding and let them learn a skill and good sportsmanship with it?

                                Parents now are too pansy-assed for their kids own good!

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                                Reply#3 - Fri Apr 13, 2012 2:53 PM EDT

                                Hate to interrupt, but I just needed to say something. My Daughter played hockey in elementary school. She went on to major in opera, got married and has a beautiful daughter. So please don't use the "tutu" bit when boys aren't beating each other up on the ice. Oh and YES my son did play hockey from the age of 5 through 16 - They were taught to play clean and had a great time.

                                Boys (and girls) can be taught how to play, just as easily as they can be to to bully and abuse. They learn from the adults around them.

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                                #3.1 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 8:06 AM EDT

                                Yeah, seriously. I played street hockey all through my childhood with the neighborhood boys. Our parents didn't supervise us much because we were in a very safe development where we could be sure that our other neighbors were keeping an eye on us. There was a lot of shoving and shin whacking. We'd all come home with bruises on our legs. The only reason we stopped is because we grew up and got busy with other things like high school and moving away. My mom still has our old beat up sticks in her garage.

                                And guess what? I'm a girl.

                                  #3.2 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 8:46 AM EDT

                                  Larz, I agree with the belief that there is too much alarmism regarding injuries in hockey, but the "tutu" remarks (Don Cherry much?) doesn't contribute anything of value to the discussion. This isn't an either-or, "alley hockey-or-ballet" dichotomy; this is about teaching proper techniques and policing for clearly unneeded head-hits in the sport. Note in DGW's post above that the bruises were to the shins, not the head; the problem isn't solved buy taking away contact, it's in taking away hits to the head. Or do you believe (like so many other idiots out there that think physical hockey involves head-hunting and stickwork) that the head is a legitimate target for checks?...

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                                  #3.3 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 9:25 AM EDT

                                  Nice blanket statement, larz. There are 2 girls on my son's hockey team who are among the toughest players in the league. I am thrilled they are on OUR team! Hockey is a sport for everyone. That said, in my son's league there is a NO checking rule. And that rule is definitely enforced. I believe that is the case for at least up to 12 years old, if not older (my son is 7). I also thought that the no checking rule was pretty widespread in North America. It seems to be so in my state, which covers a very large area. Could be wrong on that though.

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                                  #3.4 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 10:17 AM EDT

                                  Guess what people. I come from a hockey playing family and my brother almost lost an eye to the game. His cheek was broken by a stick and if they hadn't done surgery his eye would have fallen thru his cheek.. So- I know and support the no-head check rule. Never said I didn't in my post!

                                  More power to girls who play- but the article was geared towards boys and the NHL (right or wrong) is only for MEN.

                                  My point was ANY SPORT- INCLUDING BALLET CAN BE DANGEROUS. Like I said "let them learn a skill and good sportsmanship with it" So go pick on someone else..

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                                  #3.5 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 10:04 PM EDT
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                                  The problem is that Concussion and Post-Concussion syndrome are the buzz-words of the day. It used to be "bonked your head? Suck it up and go play." Now it's "bonked your head? OMG! Wrap it in bubble wrap and sit on the sidelines for a year!" The pendulum has swung WAY too far in the other direction. Things will calm down as it comes back to center, but for now, everyone is totally up in arms about concussions. I play a sport where hitting you head is fairly common (judo) and never knew of more than a handful of people who had concussions. Now, every time someone bangs their head on the mat there is some medic crying concussion and trying to pull them out for 6-8 weeks.

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                                  Reply#4 - Fri Apr 13, 2012 3:16 PM EDT

                                  When I started playing freshman football, our coach was VERY specific on how to tackle. He said NEVER lead with the head!! ALWAYS lead with your shoulder, aiming your head to one side of the opponents body or the other. His mantra was " hit, wrap, lift" I spend a lot of time at cornerback (because I was very quick) but I was only 5'2", 130. And I can tell you how many times iI took down other players, almost all bigger than me, using that technique, I was even taking some of the varsity backs down pretty easily> (With the ball in my hands, I used to run around them almost at will, which they didnt like very much :P )

                                  I dont know why this technique isnt being taught anymore. It's probly the size and especially the strength of today's players. But I see college/pro players constantly leading with the head. NO WONDER there are so many concussions. Dont allow your sons to play football unless this kind of technique, that protects the head, is being taught and used! I did OK later on using that technique. Let the kids have fun-- but PROTECT THEM!

                                  PS, In my 3 years playing, our team went 23-1-2

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                                  Reply#5 - Fri Apr 13, 2012 4:10 PM EDT

                                  It's the same in hockey. There are distinct techniques involved in delivering the various types of checks--shoulder check, hip check, take-out checks--that were beings taught long ago. I wouldn't be surprised to find that injuries went up as players got away from proper technique and just started using shoulders and elbows as battering rams and bayonets...

                                  And as far as football, apparently no one teaches proper tackling techniques like you have been, because at all levels we simply see helmeted and padded morons acting on the belief that f you only hit hard enough, the opponent will go down. Which, ironically, results in more than a few ESPN moments when the opponent doesn't...

                                    #5.1 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 9:20 AM EDT

                                    Exactly Cat, Concussions are up because no one not even most NHLers were ever taught how to throw a hip check. Today's players ram each other in head on collisions. Arms, elbows and sticks come up in self defense. Today's huge hard plastic shoulder pads have a lot to do with it. Seen a set of elbow pads lately? You could drive a railroad spike with them. In football the face mask has made using you head as a weapon safer for the spear. Some facemasks are almost a solid shield now with very small openings. Football players are taught to just drill the opponent not to hit and wrap up when they tackle. Look at the cr@p the Saints were pulling.

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                                    #5.2 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:32 PM EDT
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                                    Reducing the number of concussions is easy...Remove the helmet. Helmets give the wearer the mistaken impression that nothing bad can happen if they use their heads as battering rams. When I was a young kid in grade school (a one roomer - with NO recess supervision - we had NO concussions when we played "Tackle Cattle" a rough form of gang up and pile on)...There were far fewer head injuries in football in HS when we had leather helmets. Hockey is another story...Great game for the dentists.

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                                    Reply#6 - Fri Apr 13, 2012 4:19 PM EDT

                                    This is just media fodder. If you're a dad, you want to see your kid play hockey and football. I played organized football and baseball as a kid, all the way to college.

                                    Any sport, has contact to it..you just gotta get in there, and if you wanna play, you gotta take your chances. Most parents nowadays are wussies (if you want the real word, substitute the w with a p)..

                                    If your kid wants to play, let him play...something could happen, but then again, something couldnt.

                                    And by the way NEA Exec..we didnt call it "Tackle Cattle" we called it "Smear the Queer"..same game I think.

                                      #6.1 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 11:10 AM EDT
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                                      So less hockey players has nothing to do with the economy? Does this guy know that youth hockey has extremely different rules in place in regards to safety and conduct, orr is this just another attempt to create fear using nonsense journalism?

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                                      Reply#7 - Fri Apr 13, 2012 5:22 PM EDT

                                      Having coached youth hockey, lacrosse, and soccer for over 15 years I have to stongly disagree with this article. Any good youth sports organization stresses the importance of understanding concussions and most coaches receive special training on how to recognize concussions and to always hold out players if there is any doubt of a concussion. The writer of this article probably thinks this is a good idea:

                                      As for NEA Exec. - I have never seen a youth hockey player injure a tooth during hockey - kids under 18 are required to wear full faceguards and mouthguards under both USA Hockey and Hockey Canada rules.

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                                      Reply#8 - Fri Apr 13, 2012 5:59 PM EDT

                                      This is one of the most sensationalist and misinformed articles written about sports concussions. And to equate allowing a child to play hockey (or football) with the criminal act of child abuse is absurd and trivializes the very real and serious nature of child abuse. Shame on you. Now, with respect to concussions in sports – will data show that the incidence of concussions have increased over previous decades – undoubtedly yes. Why ? – because we have improved techniques and more sophisticated equipment which allows for better recognition and diagnosis of concussions. Additionally, athletes are generally bigger, faster and stronger then their historic counterparts. But is this a rational reason to malign the great sport of hockey or call for parents to stop their children from participating in hockey or other contact sports ? Absolutely not ! A study published in the American Journal of Sports Medicine (Trends in Concussion Incidence in High School Sports : A Prospective 11-year Study) tracked nearly 11 million athlete contact injuries. Not surprisingly, football was the boy’s sport with the highest incidence of concussions. However, soccer was the girls’ sport with the highest incidence. Moreover, regardless of the sport or activity (football, hockey, soccer, lacrosse, basketball, baseball, field hockey, gymnastics or cheerleading) there was a risk of concussion. Rather then engage in sensationalism or generating hysteria by equating playing contact sports with child abuse, let’s use our heads and make sure our children have the proper equipment, know and understand the rules of their sport and are taught how to properly execute the moves required for their sport – including how to properly give and receive body contact. Fear mongering won’t keep our kids safe – education and common sense will.

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                                      Reply#9 - Fri Apr 13, 2012 7:03 PM EDT

                                      Dr. Caplan, child abuse? Would you prefer that we protect our children by placing them out of harms way in front of the TV, or hand them an Ipad loaded with video games, give them a high fructose corn syrup laced beverage with enough caffeine to light up NYC and a bowl full of partially hydrogenated, reduced fat, fried potato paste, so that they can spend their childhood preparing to become concussion free, obese, pre-diabetics, with a high probability of heart disease? I would suggest the latter is child abuse.

                                      If there is a decline in participation in sports such as hockey, I am certain that the decline is directly correlated to the economics of participating in the sport, rather than to the parental concern of significant injury. I would suggest you look at the participation data for a non contact sport such as skiing/snowboarding to see the impact of cost on participation levels.

                                      As for me, I'd rather give my children the opportunity to experience life, with all the bumps and bruises that come with it, then to have over protected them, and left them to wonder what it would be like to play. Life is all about your experiences isn't it?

                                      Come on Dr, strap on some blades, foil up, grab some lumber and get out there and hit somebody. It'll do you some good!

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                                      Reply#10 - Fri Apr 13, 2012 10:57 PM EDT

                                      It's better then video games or fast food. the kids are active and at least they are not surfing Facebook.

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                                      Reply#11 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 5:51 AM EDT

                                      Yep. Idiot. And I haven't seen anyone write that when it comes to this article, there is decades of evidence that concussions in the sport are anything but an epidemic. He gives no evidence whatsoever. Will kids get hurt, yep. Just like anything else they may do .. playgrounds, baseball, bike riding. But he completely ignores all that. The only reason this article was posted is because he has a title. If I had wrote this, the editor would have called me a nitwit. This article blew.

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                                      Reply#12 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 5:52 AM EDT

                                      Dear author, you are entitled to your opinion. My opinion is that your opinion is ridiculous. There is no such thing as 100% security in any thing we do to prevent injury or death. Its a part of life. Tired of this nanny state ideology

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                                      Reply#13 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 5:53 AM EDT

                                      Uh, oh...Doc...do you realize that you are using data and facts in your argument? Amerikkkans have been taught NOT to listen to science, facts, and data since 2000 and from the pulpit forever.

                                      So do not be surprised at the flood of negative responses to your study here as the hairs on their palms will be standing straight up in anger. In fact I would not be surprised if an in utero league is being formed as we speak just to show you who knows better.

                                      Actually letting their kids bang heads is actually selective Darwinism at its finest. So, please, enroll your kids ASAP. I for one love it.

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                                      Reply#14 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 6:05 AM EDT

                                      seriously?!? He only has one fact in this article 700 out of 9000...because it sounds way worse than 7.8%. Which by the way is fewer than the percentage of licensed 16yr olds who get into car accidents.

                                      The reason I used this age group is because it's the same age group as contact hockey...I'm not aware of any leagues that allow 8yr olds to go out and bash each other into the boards. Contact hockey starts in the teen years...but I'm sure that you knew that before tossing out your holier than thou in utero witticism.

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                                      #14.1 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 7:14 AM EDT

                                      Aterrimus I played contect hockey when i was 9 years old youth hockey for the town i lived in. but at that age we did not have the power to do much harm never had or new about concussion's only thing that got hurt was my feeling's when we did not win

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                                      #14.2 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 8:51 AM EDT

                                      Then you either played a half-century ago, or your league wasn't sanctioned, f_m...

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                                      #14.3 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 9:13 AM EDT

                                      Not shure what you ment about sanction but it was a youth hockey league my mother would help at the bingo every weak went to canada twice at about 3 years in played neighbouring town's teems so i believe you mite be a little misinformed and no it was only about 30 years ago close to a half century but not quite.But this was in a time when a kid could be a kid

                                        #14.4 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 4:25 PM EDT
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                                        I don't think you should wrap your kids in bubble wrap, however I think a lot of you do not understand the long term consequences of concussions. I do, been there done that and I can't imagine what it would be like for a child

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                                        Reply#15 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 6:27 AM EDT

                                        Why stop at contact sports? Cheerleading isn't a contact sport and there are far my SERIOUS injuries in that sport than hockey and football combined. Hell let's just ban all sports all together. I've played hockey for over 30 years and only seen 2 concussion (one by a psycho that should never have been given a hockey stick to begin with) and maybe a few teeth knocked out.

                                        The problem isn't the sport. The problem is parents with no knowledge of the technical side of the game being coaches...we need good coaches who teach proper technique when hitting. If you do it right the hits look just as big but leave far less lasting damage.

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                                        Reply#16 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 6:53 AM EDT

                                        oops...I meant more serious not my serious...

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                                        #16.1 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 7:21 AM EDT
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                                        Comment author avatarShawn Piercevia Facebook

                                        Youth hockey is no more a form of child abuse than the steady diet of sugar and preservatives parents feed their kids everyday. Hockey teaches discipline, teamwork and work ethic like no other sport out there. As for cost, it is out of control. However, if my child independently decides they want to play hockey then I will figure out a way to get him or her out on the ice. The pros far out weigh the risks.

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                                        Reply#17 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 7:22 AM EDT

                                        I'm not sure how I survived my youth riding bikes without helmets, playing on playground equipment that was actually fun or playing youth football.

                                        The lawyers, politicians and liberals have taken the fun out of everything.

                                        My son and daughter still play hockey. The main issue is that it's a rather expensive sport to play.

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                                        Reply#18 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 7:25 AM EDT

                                        Biff, why the sheol does everything have to be a liberal/conservative thing for you? There are plenty of liberals like me who think Kaplan and others like him are way off the mark on this issue (mostly because they don't know anything about the structure/rules of the established, sanctioned leagues), but since you're determined to paint all of us with the same broad brush...

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                                        #18.1 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 9:28 AM EDT
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                                        Slow week for serious topics???

                                        How was this even approved by the Editor???

                                        MSNBC... this one ranks right up there.... it never ceases to amaze me how many of these articles get uploaded.

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                                        Reply#19 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 7:28 AM EDT

                                        Ross - you are just another scam artist. If you knew how to make 19K a month you wouldn't be telling us. Crawl back under your rock.

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                                        #19.2 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 8:50 AM EDT

                                        Concur...why does MSNBC cover this? The Korean rocket launch wasnt enough? Trayvon Martin case getting old?

                                        What else?

                                          #19.3 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 11:15 AM EDT
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                                          Excellent comemnts. Our kids played too, from Captain to Goalie. Yes, it was a ton of money for 3 kids to play. Yes, we lived out of suitcases and hockey bags. Yes, spent a small fortune eating and lodging while traveling. But it was some of the most constructive enjoyment that our kids still talk about some 16+ years later. For all the bumps and bruises that came along with it, so did sportsmanship, team building, self discipline, respect and alot of other things. Not one bit sorry for one minute of it.

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                                          Reply#20 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 7:54 AM EDT

                                          I'm not sure but would guess the good Doctor is a southerner. Hockey is life. If the kiddies weren't out playing hockey we'd have our BIGGEST problem getting even bigger with maybe another 14,000 a year or so dying obsese and with heart disease (but no concussions!!!!) with an Xbox controller in their dead hands. Kids don't need MORE reasons not to exercise doctor.

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                                          Reply#21 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 7:54 AM EDT

                                          This is where my fellow socially left-leaning travelers go off the deep end- let's just keep our children in padded cages and away from anything that happens on Earth, and they'll live forever (of course that's no different from the rednecks home schooling their idiot children, with similar results, but I digress).....until they become 18, leave the cage, and immediately walk out into the street and get hit by a car. There's only one way to learn, and it's not by having idiots like this, who have never laced up a pair of skates, tell us about hockey. I do agree with one thing, though- I think the SIZE of the equipment- not necessarily the helmets, but definitely the shoulder pads, for one example, needs to be reduced, and softened a bit. If you know it's literally going to "hurt you as much as it hurts them" if you hit someone like a freight train, you just might back off a little bit. I don't know about going helmetless, but I think a reduction in the body armor might do wonders.

                                          Another thing, at the major league level, that would solve some of this problem is getting rid of the inane instigator rule- if you know there will be a big fist coming at you in exchange for your dirty play, you'll stop doing it. Enough said...

                                            Reply#22 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 7:57 AM EDT

                                            DB, this isn't a conservative/liberal thing--believe it or not, there are a few things left in life that don't fall out on ideological lines! To wit: Kaplan clearly has no idea about youth hockey, because, as others here have stated, checking isn't allowed in either USA Hockey or Hockey Canada-sanctioned play until at least age 15. As for the socially-left thing--you do remember the old aphorism about what happens when you assume, don't you? Because I'm pretty socially-left myself and agree that Kaplan is way off the mark on this one...

                                            There is no need for hard-shell shoulder pads or--especially--elbow pads, because this just makes protective equipment into battering rams. I understand the point others make about going helmetless, but I still believe--maybe foolishly--that we can change the culture in the sport (and football too) that sees the head as a legitimate target for hits, which in itself would reduce the number of concussions. And as for the instigator rule--well, you also know what they say about good intentions and roads to Hell...

                                              #22.1 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 9:10 AM EDT

                                              I grew up on the left wing, both politically and the position I played through college -- was on a D3 National Championship team. Both of my daughters skate as well. Dr. Kaplan simply provides a very narrow, very incomplete view of the picture, and for the MSNBC editors to call it child abuse in the headline is preposterous. I still think of myself as a hockey player -- all the lessons and values I learned still apply to my life: hard work, team work, preparation, performance, unselfishness, overcoming adversity celebrating victory.

                                              People from any side of the political equation can appreciate that.

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                                              #22.2 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 9:22 AM EDT
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                                              I played hockey up through college, including being on traveling youth teams and a pretty good high school team. I suffered two concussions related to playing the game. If I had known now about the effects of concussions on the brain and their potential long term effects, I don't think I would have wanted my parents to start me in the sport. I have a son and haven't started him in the sport, based on my experiences. The glory of the game isn't worth the negative mental effects (e.g., depression, dementia) you may have to experience for the rest of your life. It isn't worth it.

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                                              Reply#23 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 7:57 AM EDT

                                              A person can be injured stepping off the curb. USA Hockey continually strives to make hockey safer without removing the "fun". Currently checking isn't allowed till the Bantam level (middle school) and there are rules about how and when it can happen. Our kids wear tons of protective equipment, and our coaches are always preaching safety. My son fell in love with this sport and I will support him as long as he wants to play. Hockey takes balance and coordination. It also develops teamwork and fast thinking. I'd rather my son play hockey than football...but of course I'd support him in that too.

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                                              Reply#24 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 8:13 AM EDT

                                              LOL!

                                                Reply#26 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 8:22 AM EDT
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