Regular prostate screening reduces deaths, study finds. Now what?

Men who got regular PSA blood tests were 21 percent less likely to die of prostate cancer, according to a European study published in the New England Journal of Medicine Wednesday. The new research probably won’t change the current screening guidelines for American men, but the findings could reopen the controversy -- and confusion -- over prostate cancer screening.

“What am I am supposed to do?” my physician lamented during my most recent physical exam.  “All my male patients are refusing PSA tests.  How do I check for their prostate cancer risk?”

It has become a common concern. Ever since the Food and Drug Administration approved it in 1987, the Prostate-Specific Antigen blood test has been controversial. Many experts condemned it as unnecessary, or even dangerous, for most men. Many medical organizations including the American Cancer Society, the American Medical Association and, most recently, the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force have not recommended it. General practitioners often ordered the test, usually without a discussion of the implications, to most men who came into the office.

Finally, however, many patients have gotten the message and are saying no on their own.

This trend will likely continue despite results from the European Randomized Study of Screening for Prostate Cancer that followed 182,000 men for 11 years. More fundamentally, it renews the question: How can a cheap and painless blood test for a potentially deadly cancer be unnecessary -- or even dangerous?

Prostate cancer differs substantially from most other cancers.  Still, many doctors and patients insist on putting it into their mental box called “cancer” where the response is always “find it early and cut it out.”

Make no mistake, it can be a killer. At least 28,000 men in the U.S. will die from prostate cancer this year.  But 241,000 men in this country will be diagnosed with the disease and most of them  -- whether they are treated or not -- will likely survive to die of something else. 

Prostate cancer comes in at least two forms. One is the killer; the other is a slow-growing type of cell most men get if they live long enough. Studies of men who died of other causes found that 30 percent of those 50 and older and 70 percent of those over 80 have prostate cancer and never know it.  Medical science cannot distinguish between the killer form and the far more common one that can be left alone.

That is where the PSA test comes in. It is not a test for cancer, but for normal prostate tissue, which can be enlarged for several reasons. If the PSA is elevated, the doctor will order a needle biopsy. Because prostate cancer is so ubiquitous, the biopsy will often find some.

Then the patient and his doctor face a dilemma. Whether the treatment is surgery, radiation, hormones or a combination, it often comes with serious side effects including impotence, incontinence and bowel problems. Often men who need no treatment follow this path and end up with the side effects. Millions of American men have. It is difficult to find men who will admit suffering embarrassing side effects that may not even be necessary. In fact, most often they will call themselves lucky to be “a cancer survivor” -- even if it is from a cancer that may never have hurt them.

The latest European study found that to prevent one prostate cancer death, 1,055 men had to be screened and 37 men were diagnosed. That means that 36 men were eligible for treatment that may not have been necessary and may have left the men with distressing side effects.

In addition, a similar study of U.S. men has found no survival advantage from routine screening.  An editorial in the current New England Journal of Medicine where the study appears concludes current guidelines should not change.

As for my physician’s question, he still has the old digital rectal exam to find lumpy spots, which was how prostate cancer was found before PSA.  And scientists are looking hard for some genetic marker that will distinguish the truly dangerous prostate cancer.

Until there is better diagnosis, any man would be advised to have a serious discussion with his physician about whether he wants his blood to be tested for PSA. The test could easily start him down a path he does not want to follow.

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My Dad is 71. He gets tested every year. This year a positive PSA and confirming biopsy detected cancer. My father was terrified and called me at work to inform me to take care of my mother and my sister. I calmed him down and shared current news with him, which the doctor confirmed. If found early enough, it's treatable. It doesn't have to be a death sentence. My father started his radiation treatments last week, and his doctor feels very positive about the potential for a successful treatment after the 9 week stint of radiation. I'm glad my Dad stayed on top of his checkups. I'd advise all men to do the same. I'd rather be informed than surprised.

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#1 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 5:34 PM EDT

I think you need to read this article again, and more carefully this time.

Here's from the study...last sentence is most important..

Results

After a median follow-up of 11 years in the core age group, the relative reduction in the risk of death from prostate cancer in the screening group was 21% (rate ratio, 0.79; 95% confidence interval [CI], 0.68 to 0.91; P=0.001), and 29% after adjustment for noncompliance. The absolute reduction in mortality in the screening group was 0.10 deaths per 1000 person-years or 1.07 deaths per 1000 men who underwent randomization. The rate ratio for death from prostate cancer during follow-up years 10 and 11 was 0.62 (95% CI, 0.45 to 0.85; P=0.003). To prevent one death from prostate cancer at 11 years of follow-up, 1055 men would need to be invited for screening and 37 cancers would need to be detected. There was no significant between-group difference in all-cause mortality.

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#1.1 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 5:52 PM EDT

"Informed rather than surprised" is not a simple issue. Most men suffer a devastating blow to the quality of their lives when PSA scores mean medical intervention with surgery and radiation, often at a time when they don't have many years left either way. Quality of life does matter, and current methods are too destructive to make this a simple issue.

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#1.2 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 6:16 PM EDT

I was just told last week by my family physician that I had a third increasing PSA with a high velicty between the last two. I have been referred to a urologist on the 19th "for a biopsy." I am 68.

1) I will probably change primaries. "Best practices" say that a physician should fully explain the PSA and its consequences amd get informed consent BEFORE doing any PSAs. He did not do this. In fact, very few physicians (including urologists) understand the reprecussions of the test and it would take at least 20-30 minutes to explain them if he did. My physician conducted the PSA tests without my knowledge. Not a good thing to do, especially since I would have refused them had I been given a choice.

2) The PSA test is very controversial because it has a huge amount of false positives AND a huge amount of false negatives. If you give PSA's to 80-year-old men, you will miss half the prostate cancers and misdiagnose 90% of the remainder. This is a test that makes millions for labs and medical rquipoment people and provides "a steady revenue stream" to urologists. It is just a rotten test whose results you could beat by simply rolling dice. It is actually worse than purely random.

3) I will visit the urologist, but will NOT allow a biopsy. A needle biopsy can only detect two of the four forms of cancer. And of the two types that it can detect, it cannot distinguish between the type that is fast and aggressive (around 95%) of the ones that are fast and aggressive (5%). At 68, I am 22 times more likely to die of something else than of prostate cancer if I have the slow type. About 10% of men who have a 12-point needle biopsy will wear diapers the rest of their life. Over half will be impotent.

4) If you read thjis study closely, what you will see is that NO test, NO biopsy, and NO surgery, radiation, chemotherapy, or any combination thereof, changes the death rate. The ONLY difference is that the for-profit medical industry pockets a huge amount of money and a lot of men dies of a heart attack wearing diapers and impotent.

5) Urologists are noted for proposing that "you just can't tell" so they should do surgery "just to be safe." It is a good racket. They end up with exactly the same number of patients dying as anyone else, so they can't be doing any real harm. The only difference is that the ones they operate on die of something else instead of prostate cancer. It is a zero sum equation. The loser is the patient. The "cancer" scare, the medical profiteering, the unnecessary testing, the unnecessary biopsies, the massive ioverdiagnosis and over-treatment all contribute to a very scary situation for a lot of people. But it just isn't necessary.

More and more men are refusing to allow PSAs in accordance with current medical srandards of care. Of people with abnormal PSA's, more and more are refusing biopsies unless there are symptoms in addition to a high PSA number. And even with people who have biopsy-confirmed prostate cancer, many are now choosing to do nothng at all until the hospice situation arises and the majority of them are not dieing of prostate cancer.

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#1.3 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 7:01 PM EDT

It is to be hoped that all men will heed these findings and be tested regularly.

However, they should face the same difficulties in getting screening and care that women face e.g. beginning covered mammograms at 40 is totally unacceptable. Young women are dying for lack of mammograms which, btw, is a major function of Planned Parenthood.

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#1.4 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 7:43 PM EDT

Even tho Medicare says they will pay for the blood work once a year, I have had to decline the test already this year because they say they will not pay for it (the blood work, that is). That's $179. out of my pocket that they have promised to pay and are backing away from. Also having trouble getting medicare to pay for my diabetic test strips. Promised services are NOT being provided. Retired and on severely limited income, just that one test amount is over 2 months of grocerys in cost. If the cancers or the Doctors don't kill us, it appears our government will......

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#1.5 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 8:02 PM EDT

My best friend just did the very same thing. He is 74. He tried to talk me into going the route he did. I have talked to too many men whose lives are ruined by the treatment, and said no way. Now that my friend has had all of the radiation treatments he has spent months going through horrible side effects. He said if he had it to do over again he would not do it. I have no fear of death. I am not going to let fear talk me into a treatment that virtually always leaves you incontinent and impotent. Life is to be enjoyed not just to stay alive at all costs. There are things far worse than death.

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#1.6 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 8:18 PM EDT

I will take a PSA and a digital exam every year. it is a very small inconvenience to have to deal with. My father is 82 and has stage 4 prostate cancer. Because of his, I will never ever let it get that far. No big deal!

    #1.7 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 8:32 PM EDT

    Sort of confusing. PSA is a blood test. That is not the test men don't like. Its the test that follows a positve PSA blood test which is a digital exam. The digital exam is the test men find unconfortable and intursive. The PSA is simple. They take a vile of blood and it is tested at the lab.

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    #1.8 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 8:57 PM EDT

    My doctor does the finger up the butt thing every year. But she's kinda cute so I really don't mind it.

    I'm not sure how I'd react to "You have Prostate Cancer, but your high blood pressure, diabetes, or an enraged Tea Party person will probably kill you before the cancer will, so we're not going to do anything."

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    #1.9 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:12 PM EDT

    I had the misfortune of watching my 69 year old father die five years after he was diagnosed with metastatic prostate cancer. His cancer spread first to his bones, then to his brain. I saw the smartest person I have ever known (PhD Math, career research engineer who could take any engineering problen and reduce it to a solvable mathematical model) reduced to a shell kept comfortable in an IV drug-induced fog.

    This was 25 years ago, before the PSA test was used as a screening tool. Otherwise he was incredibly healthy. Up until a year before he died, he ran 6 miles every day. Aside from the cancer, he probably would have lived well into his 80's.

    I have three brothers. My older brother was diagnosed with stage 1 prostate cancer at age 57, my youngest brother was diagnosed with stage 1 prostate cancer at age 43. Do you think I would ever consider passing up my annual PSA / DRE exam?

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    #1.10 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:16 PM EDT

    Sounds like the new medical standard is "ignorance is bliss!" Getting the test is no big deal. Determining what to do with the results is something else. But only a loony would say that they'd rather not know they have cancer and therefor they are glad that they don't have to make any decisions. If that's the case, then everyone who doesn't want to know shouldn't waste either there's or taxpayers' money to have the test. But to sit there and say that one is better off not knowing is absurd.

      #1.11 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:22 PM EDT

      Quite an interesting article I must say! I've been in the medical profession well over 30 years and spent a great portion of that time in the are of Infectious Diseases. I was diagnosed with advanced stage prostate cancer on a routine physical at age 62. I had always said "no" to the PSA screening because I had no family history of prostate cancer.

      The ultimate question that comes to mind as a result of reading this article is...IF the PSA screening is a "waste of time", WHY then are the majority of insurance companies denying underwriting on PSA screening results of over 5.0 ng/ml ?? As a professional in the field of medical research, I find it disconcerting to say the least that the 28,000 men who will die each year as a result of prostate cancer are being made to look like an anomaly or an outlier of the research data!

        #1.12 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:39 PM EDT

        wow Chris, I read your post and I have to disagree, you're a young guy and unless you have other medical issues I think you're making a mistake.

          #1.13 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:17 PM EDT

          Do prostate exams cause AIDS? I mean it's not too different from what gay men do.

            #1.14 - Thu Mar 15, 2012 12:28 AM EDT

            Ultimately, it's the patients decision as to whether, or not to take a PSA test.

            "He" can make that decision. When I was about 55, I received a note from my doc that indicated an increased level in my PSA [and I had no other symptoms]. I wanted to always have that included, and because of it, I'm cancer free today. I explored the alternatives, and looked at both sides of the equation, and finally decided to surgically remove the prostate. It's been 15 yrs, and I still have the PSA test done, as my doc seems to encourage it.

            Personally, the PSA test saved my life.

            Yes, I had not one, but two biopsies...and abnormal cells were found during the 2nd biopsy, and in only one of the 12 needles that are used for each biopsy. So out of a total of 24 needles, only [1] one indicated a cancer. In short, they found the cancer very, very early.

            Would I consider the biopsies invasive? Sure, but it was worth the risk. Was is painful? Only the last 6 shots, and the pain [or rather... a progressive level of discomfort with each shot] vanished by the time I had to give them my co-payment by check before I left the doctors office.

            In sum, it's YOUR DECISION to have, and not to have the PSA test. I'm glad [and alive] that I had mine!!!!!

              #1.15 - Thu Mar 15, 2012 12:45 AM EDT

              I'm 53 but was 48 when I was diagnosed with prostate cancer. The diagnosis came after two to three years of increasingly difficulty in urination.

              Initially, a rectal exam (examining the prostate by feel through the rectal wall) didn't reveal any abnormalities. With me not responding to initial treatment (treatment for possible low-grade infection, and enlargement), the urologist suggested a PSA (prostatic specific antigen) blood check. He did tell me the idea was the prostate gland produces a specific protein that might increase or become high due to cancer. Zero to four is considered within the normal range, but abnormally quick rises, still within the normal range, might also be cause for concern. He also told me abnormal PSA numbers do not necessarily mean cancer but are one tool toward diagnosis, a flag if you will.

              That first reading was 5.17 leading the urologist to suggest a needle biopsy. After a few days for the tissue to be studied, I was informed I did in fact have prostate cancer.

              The tumor was graded in a couple of categories and armed with that information the Dr. gave me his advice which was surgical removal of the prostate gland. Radiation was also a consideration but if the radiation were to have failed, tissue destruction would have made it nearly impossible to perform surgery later if needed. I've heard of a cryogenic procedure but this was not available at the time, at least through my facilty. So, at my young age and wanting to give myself the best chance for long life, even if my sex life was affected, I chose to be operated on three weeks later.

              The operation was a success and biopsies on the surface of the prostate and in surrounding tissue showed no evidence of spread. The cancer was contained within the gland. Recovery was okay and a couple of months later was doing pretty well. The surgery saved some of the nerves around the prostate so pleasurable sex is still possible although viagra is now important as I'll never get back my complete old self. But that's a small incovenience when compared against having cancer.

              I still need yearly PSA checks, the idea being with no prostate gland the PSA check should be 0.0, but should a cancerous prostate cell have escaped and set up shop somewhere else in the body, then the PSA number would be greater than zero. My last check about six-months ago showed a PSA number of 0.02, which is close enough to call my number a zero. It's been a bit over five years since surgery and the Dr. says at this point the chance of the cancer returning are quite small.

              So, I'm someone who firmly believes in testing, as long as the Dr. is competent and explains everything. It is only information and I can't see how that is bad as long as the patient and doctor use good sense.

              As far as a rectal exam, well that's simple. Yea, it's invasive, I mean how could a finger up the butt not be? But it's quick and painless. Men need to get over the worry or concern about something that's such a non-issue. Five to ten seconds of dignity loss is a small sacrifice in order to save one's life.

              The needle biopsy was no fun, but the Dr. was quick and after the first couple of pokes I don't think I felt the rest. The Dr. said my urine might turn a bit red but I don't recall mine looking anything but normal. Other than the initial, short discomfort, the biopsy didn't affect me at all. If a concern I suggest the patient ask their phsyician about the number of folks who respond less than well after a needle biopsy. For me, the needle biopsy confirmed a problem which led to fixing things, a good deal indeed.

              I tell you one thing, I wouln't pass off advice from a Dr. as just a way to keep the money flowing in. That thinking might cost a man or woman his or her life. A person just needs to be educated. If less than sure, like has been said before, get another opinion.

              I leave by saying don't shy away from the doc and be proactive or active in your health care. A finger up the butt or a blood check is a damn small price to pay in order to be armed with potentially live-saving information.

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              #1.16 - Thu Mar 15, 2012 1:56 AM EDT

              To Larry MacKinnon.

              Your article is almost a mirror image of mine. Our age, what we went through although I was fortunate to have the Robot proceedure which was easier than going to the dentest. My father died 25 years ago from prostate cancer so it was a no brainer for me to make the decision I made. Take the tests, it's not an easy death believe me.

                #1.17 - Thu Mar 15, 2012 4:06 AM EDT

                Yes, take the tests. Just came from the article saying women can wait and have pap smears every 5 years. Another ploy from a panel of men telling me what I should or shouldn't do. I don't believe it and will continue to have a pap smear every year...even if insurance doesn't pay for it and the way things are going, Congress will decide that it should only be paid for every 5 years. Anyone see a deadly pattern here?

                  #1.18 - Thu Mar 15, 2012 5:32 PM EDT

                  Try to order A bone density screen in a Medicare patient--just about every diagnosis one can think of that one would think would qualify for the bone density is REJECTED. A physician has to literally lie and enter OSTEOPOROSIS, even he or she does not even know if the patient has osteoporosis, in order to have the test reimbursed by Medicare--this is a both a joke, as well as frustration as one has to try entering other diagnoses--to no avail.

                    #1.19 - Tue Apr 10, 2012 8:19 PM EDT
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                    High PSA readings do not automatically mean cancer. Many men have high PSA readings for various reasons.

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                    Reply#2 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 5:53 PM EDT

                    Jason@ My PSA tests started at 3 and increased over the year it might not mean cancer but its a god damn good gauge id be dead today if i didn't do this PSA then the biopsy test in 3 months I was a stage 4 prostrate cancer thanks to my 2 great doctors in San Diego Dr Loren Novak NCMC and Dr Christopher Kane UCSD i had the surgery ands home next day and no complications and now in remission Sure there are side effects including impotence, incontinence and bowel problems. But its a hell of a lot better than being dead so my view is do the PSA every year unless change and if change 6 months and if it goes up biopsy and go from their if you do get prostrate cancer and you can do DA Vinci® surgical robot is the only way to go screw that chemo and radiation The DeVinci surgery i was home less than 12 hrs and never had a problem other than that damn catheter (lol)

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                    #2.1 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 8:47 PM EDT

                    My husband was 59 when the first psa test that he had ever had revealed that his prostate was full of cancer. He was an 8 on The Glisan scale. We were told that if he did not have a prostectomy he would be dead from this cancer in about 6 weeks as the biopsy revealed that the tumors were aggressive and fast growing.He had the prostectomy. He lived cancer free for 4 more years then the cancer returned and spread to his bones and his brain.

                    After a few years of radiation and chemo I lost him to what was originally prostate cancer. HAD WE KNOWN ABOUT THE PSA TEST WE WOULD HAVE STARTED GETTING THEM WHEN HE TURNED 50!!! I don't doubt that he would be alive today. I am so very mad that we didn't know about the psa test. I miss him more than words can say and it was a needless death!!

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                    #2.2 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 9:15 PM EDT

                    I was 48 and my Doctor said he wanted bloodwork done, when the nurse came in the room she asked me what screening I was getting and I said "everything", she asked "cancer too?" and I said "sure". 3 days later my Doctor called and said he didn't want the PSA done because typically the insurance companies won't pay for it but he was glad I did, I had a PSA of 15.3 and the biopsy confirmed the most agressive prostate cancer. Stage 1 for Prostate Cancer means that the patient reported no other symptoms and the cancer was discovered by the PSA test. It's a little more complex than that but you get it. The biopsy is absolutely the worse part of it all, not even a complimentary valium or drink but without the biopsy you don't really know where you stand. next comes the bone scan, and that's where it get's serious from a mental perspective, if it's jumped (which Prostate cancer likes to do) to your bones it's a whole new ballgame. Fortunately for me it had not jumped to my bones. I opted for the Robotic surgery and and the largest catheter because I was informed that this produced the best results long term. The second worse part is getting the catheter out, like I said I opted for the larger one because it has shown better recovery from a functional perspective. When it was removed it was kind of like the nurse was starting a lawnmower but, I breathed and lived through it. I can honestly say that I worked hard at recovery but I have it, the only difference between before and after is that I no longer produce any DNA during sex (no muss no fuss). Also if I get drunk (is intoxicated the appropriate word on MSN?) I mean really drunk I have the potential to pee myself a little when laughing (like a woman that's had kids, no sympathy from them lol). So now I get fun drunk when camping and not stupid drunk, I think every one benefits. :) There are a lot of treatment options out there and it will all depend on what you want out of your recovery regardless of your age, but you won't know you need treatment if you don't get a PSA.

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                    #2.3 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:14 PM EDT
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                    As a primary care doc I'd like to add a few points

                    Prostate cancer is the number 2 killer of men. It kills as many men as breast cancer kills women.

                    The digital rectal exam is almost worthless. You can only feel the back of the prostate. The sides and front are not available. The DRE cannot detect any cancers inside the prostate so will miss any prostate cancer at its most treatable stage (once it's outside the capsule your chances for cure drop to less than 10%).

                    So what's left? Watchful waiting. If you're not doing a PSA or biopsy then what Watchful Waiting is a euphemism for "Wait until you show signs of metastatic prostate cancer then die from it".

                    Prostate cancer is a terrible death. It goes to the spine and the treatments are just as bad or worse as the taking the cancer out ahead of time, except the latter cures the patient.

                    While it took slightly over one thousand PSA tests to save one life from prostate cancer, it actually takes 2000 mammograms to save one life from breast ca. No one would say we should stop mammograms for that reason.

                    The canard about men dying of something else than prostate cancer was based on autopsy studies showing that some type of prostate cancer was present after death. What the study failed to mention is that all the men who'd had aggressive prostate cancer had already died. If a study showed women had snippets of breast cancer but died of something else would that be a reason to stop screening for all breast ca? Talk about throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

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                    Reply#3 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 5:54 PM EDT

                    Well, you know the issue better than a layperson, but many physicians disagree. And many men die from other causes long before their "cancer" can harm them in any way. Some logically resist giving up the qualty of their lives (and physicians are less than honest with patients about side effects) to embrace an unknown and would rather bank on having not getting ill for another decade--or perhaps never--before doing so.

                      #3.1 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 6:21 PM EDT

                      @Zarnon,

                      So you are proposing that the lack of difference between all-source death numbers is just a fluke? The choice you are offering is really not a choice of ways to die. Making then sound scary doesn't make you deader. The choice is whether you will have that heart attack playing beach vollyball or have it shopping for Depends.

                      Don't think this is a baby in the bathwater. There is NO data anywhere that men whop have intervention for prostate cancer live any longer than men who do not. There IS a huge amount of data point to unobtained permission for PSAs, damage to quality of life from both biopsies and destructive interventions, and a huge amount of psychological trauma that simply isn't necessary.

                      And I ask you, "Cui bono?"

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                      #3.2 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 7:08 PM EDT

                      A little education goes a long way! Thank God for PSA's! Saved 2 young fathers in my family.

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                      #3.3 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 9:42 PM EDT

                      I agree! I had the digital exam for years and they always said I was fine. PSA was 15.3 & prostate removed in 2010 age 48

                        #3.4 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:24 PM EDT

                        chris you sound really mis-informed and scared. It's your choice to do nothing but you cannot justify that plan for everyone, I'd be dead if I listened to you plain and simple, and instead I am playing with my grandkids every Wednesday and life is good. I had a TIA at 42, a Heart Attack at 43, I have six stents, and at 48 they removed my prostate. I am now 50, I go on because of a PSA test. will I live longer than I would have if I had not had the prosate removed, who knows, I could live another 50 years or just another day but I have to operate under the assumption that I could do the 50. I work out now (that was a 5 year plan from the Heart Attack) for two years, I walk up to 8 miles a day. Quality of life is what you make it unless you have a physical disability that prevents you from taking care of yourself.

                          #3.5 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:38 PM EDT

                          Eric, I have to disagree with your statement, sounds like you're listening to "old wives tails" or "traditional surgery methods" which are being phased out. Recovery is far different than what you make it and you all have to stop thinking that this is an "old mans" problem. it's not.

                            #3.6 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:42 PM EDT

                            Zarnon..I thank you for your post. You are 100% correct in what you wrote. I feel that even though I am not a doctor I know just as much as most doctors do about prostate cancer as I suffered through every minute of my late husbands years of us fighting this horrible monster. I ask every doctor, radioligist, chemo administer, Uroligist, blood transfusion administer,etc. I went on the internet daily exploring any subjuect on prostate cancer that I could find. I read every book on prostate cancer. I suffered with my husband daily. I want to SO BAD to start an awarness program that will get the message out to men about the importance of the p.s.a test. My husband and I held a huge bar-b-que in the parking lot of our restaurant when he was first diagnosed with the cancer. We passed out buttons that said..." hey buddy do you know your psa number"..we had my uncle who was a retired doctor came and talk about this cancer. My husband was a retired longshoreman & our business was across the streets from the docks that he had worked on for 36 years & most of our customers were longshoreman...after that day we had 9 men come in & tell us that they had prsotate cancer but the psa test found it early enough for their survival & had we not had that awareness bar-b-que they would most likely have died eventually from prostate cancer. My husband passed away at age 66. I want the psa test to become comman knowledge as the mammogram is. I want to start The Michael W. Ryan awareness program to equal to The Susan G. Komen awareness program. If we saved 9 men from the needless death of prostate cancer just imagine how many lives would be saved if I could get this type of an awareness program started. I just don't know how to do it, can you give me any idea's on this..thank you, Mrs. Michael W. ryan

                              #3.7 - Fri Mar 23, 2012 2:05 PM EDT

                              My dad is 88 years old and he stage 4 prostate cancer that has metastasized to his seventh rib. His cancer came back after he had undergone radiation and hormonal therapies 12 years ago in 2000.

                              In 1999, when dad was 76 he was diagnosed with prostate cancer after a PSA of 20 and a biopsy exam. A repeated prostate specific antigen revealed it had increased to 26. The urologist he was seeing at the time wanted to do surgical removal. My dad emphatically said no. We then flew him thousands of miles away to Scripps Green Hospital where a biopsy was done and showed positive on both lobes. HIs gleason score was 6/10. The urologist at Scripps Green recommended combined treatment of total adrogen suppression and radiation therapy. He did not recommend watchful waiting. The doctor said he was between stage 3 and 4 cancer. As a result of these therapies, dad developed diabetes which he's successfully controlled over the years and has been off of Metformin since July 2011. His PSA in August 2000 was 0.2.

                              I didn't think dad's prostate cancer would come back. Since May 2011, he's had five PSA tests performed: 8.8 (May), 13,0 (July), 9.2 (Sept.) 15.1 (Jan), 12.65 (March). He had a CT scan without barium in June and several x-rays that didn't reveal a problem even though at the time his PSA level was considered high. After the January PSA result, dad saw an oncologist who ordered a CT scan with barium and a bone scan. Without waiting for these imaging results, the oncologist began cancer treatment on dad using Leuprolide 22.5 mg.

                              Dad got his first injection in March and will get his second and last one in May and August, respectively. The oncologist said that two months after dad's last injection he'll test his PSA again and if it's above 10 then he'll do further treatment. Though the bone scan showed metastasis, the doctor is not recommending Zometa.

                              My dad's father lived to his mid-90s. I suspect dad would live many more years, too. Dad is living his life like he didn't have this problem. If my parents' health problems were managed solely by them, they wouldn't be as healthy, I think. As their child, I manage both my parent's wellness and many times it is difficult because they don't quite understand why they have to undergo so many tests and see the doctor on repeat visits.

                              Each individual's situation is different. For my father, we -- I -- couldn't just do watchful waiting, and we didn't rely just on one doctor's opinion alone.

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                              #3.8 - Sat Mar 31, 2012 1:35 AM EDT
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                              Also

                              "Medical science cannot distinguish between the two types of prostate cancer".

                              Gleason score, look it up.

                              John is right that a high PSA can signify something other than cancer. It can be from prostate hypertrophy or prostatitis. However usually men with BPH will show a gradual upslope in their PSA rather than an abrupt jump. It's not cut and dried although cancer screening usually never is. Turning back to breast cancer if a screening mammogram is positive a woman may go through diagnostic mammogram and/or biopsy. Just as complex as prostate cancer.

                                Reply#4 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 6:02 PM EDT

                                Time to vent: As a prostate cancer survivor my strong advise is to GET THE PSA TEST!! I've been angry at the recent advice to avoid the test and/or that getting the test can even be dangerous, leading you down the wrong road. Well, GET THE DAMNED TEST...then, make an intelligent decision after talking to your doctor. If you are over 40 with an abnormal PSA test, and you ignore it, good luck...you'll need it. You might even die. The test will also give you a Gleason score, which helps determine how fast the cancer may spread. It is true that prostate cancer is usually slow-moving, but I don't base my life and death decisions on "usually". GET THE TEST...then work with a competent urologist to make the decision that is best for you. There are also safe, more non-invasive methods these days to treat the cancer. My prostate was removed using the Da Vinci method, everything still "works", and I won't be getting a terminal cancer diagnosis at 65 because I decided not to get the PSA test at 55. Get the test and know your PSA level; if it's another condition, that's easy enough to diagnose. Those who advocate not doing any testing for men over 40 are idiots, in my opinion. Thanks for letting me vent.

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                                Reply#5 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 6:14 PM EDT

                                I agree totally. If I had not had the test done, and had my doctor not been tracking it until it began to rise more quickly to a level that raised concern, I might well be dead by now. I did not have any symptoms at all. None. Zero. Zilch. No urinary issues. No bone pain. No blood in the urine. No nodules found on DRE. Not a clue there was anything wrong until the PSA test gave one. As I result, I had radical surgery after the needle biopsy confirmed a highly aggressive grade of cancer that was on the underside of the prostate, and thus not palpable by the normal DRE. The post-operative pathology report was even worse than the biopsy, and there was penetration of the cancer outside the prostatic capsule, but not in any other areas such as lymph nodes or seminal vesicles. I did one year of anti-androgen therapy post-op as insurance, and my PSA remained undetectable for years.

                                Seven years later, my PSA began to rise again, and this time there was a palpable nodule in the prostatic bed, which then led to 8 weeks of daily radiation therapy. The therapy appeared to destroy the nodule. But the PSA began to rise not long afterward. I am currently on hormone therapy, and probably will be for the rest of my life, and it is not a walk in the park. However, I am still alive, and still enjoy life almost 9 years later. My PSA is once again undetectable. We keep a close eye on it, and perform regular CT and bone scans as additional precaution. Nobody has any idea how long I will keep going, but I still am around to enjoy the pleasures of life and my family for a while longer, hopefully a long while.

                                So, if you guys want to roll the dice, and not do a cheap and simple test that MIGHT tell you there is something that bears looking into, then don't complain when you are initially diagnosed with bone metastases, lung cancer or brain cancer stemming from an undiagnosed prostate cancer that might have been caught, and if not cured, at least treated before it got to this point. I know guys who had rising PSA, and got concerned, and got the biopsy, and it proved negative for cancer, but they do sleep better knowing that. I know I would have, but that's not the way it played out.

                                I know way too many people, who when it comes to their own health, prefer to follow an ignorance is bliss philosophy, and while that may prove true for some, it by no means will for all. It's your choice. It's also your responsibility when your choice doesn't work out. If you have any intelligence, when confronted with a positive cancer finding, you can usually make the right choice for yourself with your doctor's guidance. Getting second opinions is always an option. Think about it.

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                                #5.1 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 6:37 PM EDT

                                I want to add my support to men getting annual PSA tests. I will be a one year Prostate Cancer survivor next week and I can attribute it to getting annual PSA tests starting in my early 50s. You need to establish a baseline PSA level and track any increases. Then get a thorough biopsy done if you find a slow upward trend over a 2 or 3 year period. Get a good urologist and make an informed decision, don't leave it to chance. My limited side effects from my da Vinci prostectomy is worth every day that I get up to.

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                                #5.2 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 7:16 PM EDT

                                I was diagnosed with PC nearly seven years ago and had my prostate removed. I am now 61 years old and looking towards retirement. I am healthy, strong and cancer free. You will never convince me that I made the wrong decision. I had my prostate removed and now I will die of something other than prostate cancer. Go to healingwell.com and find the prostate cancer blog. It may or may not change your views about having a regular PSA check. I'm glad I had mine.

                                  #5.3 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 7:54 PM EDT
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                                  As a 71 year old I've adopted a plan of annual checkups. It just makes sense to me that its easier to treat something in its early stages instead of waiting.

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                                  Reply#6 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 6:23 PM EDT

                                  The real question is will the RepukliCONS attack this the same way they attack screening for women?

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                                  Reply#7 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 6:38 PM EDT

                                  Congratulations, you are the first idiot to introduce politics into a discussion that should be focused only on health.

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                                  #7.1 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 6:47 PM EDT

                                  No, they won't. And, we'll have to pay for all of these screenings through our insurance premiums, but it's all ok because it's all for men. Every single article I've read about women's health has been filled with nasty and mean comments about how no one should be paying for women's healthcare except for the woman getting the treatment, regardless if she has insurance and pays premiums. Then, it all becomes political, when the article itself has nothing to do with politics. I wonder how fast healthcare in this country would change if it was always men's healthcare under attack. I would love it if I didn't have to pay for prostrate exams and my insurance premiums came down! But, that would NEVER happen.

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                                  #7.2 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 7:27 PM EDT

                                  Beg to differ. The right-wingers have been dragging politics into issues that should be related to personal health for months and years.

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                                  #7.3 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 8:01 PM EDT

                                  @Ourdoc

                                  We could have dne without your not so smart remark!

                                    #7.4 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 8:55 PM EDT

                                    @Ourdoc

                                    I don't know where you get your info from. I AM A RIGHT WINGER and politics has nothing to do with this. Let's keep government out of healthcare as well as your stupid ideology.

                                      #7.5 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 9:24 PM EDT
                                      Comment author avatarMike Borgosvia Facebook

                                      Thats right, keep government out of health care. Medicare & Medicaid. i really DONT THINK YOU WANT TO GET RID OF MEDICARE & MEDICAID DO WE NOW?????????

                                        #7.6 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 9:49 PM EDT

                                        This is life and ultimately possibly death. It does not equate. Not a matter of getting pregnant and not wanting it. Thumbs up renaus.

                                          #7.7 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:31 PM EDT

                                          Agree with your question and I think some of the people that answered you misunderstood the intention of it. The answer is yes. Male screenings could be attacked next. On the same darn page of MSNBC, there is an article saying that cervical cancer screening should now only be done every 5 years and there will be a tradeoff with women dying...said like it is not even a problem. This was stated by a government panel of mostly men that may become insurance gospel going forward into 2014 insurance changes. However, regarding male exams, they recommend "now" that they be done yearly. But when will that change? Or will it, since these things seem to be made by men for men?? Don't get me wrong. I am for health screenings no matter of sex, age, or orientation. However, it seems that insurance companies and those politicians that are lobbied by them are out to reduce life-saving procedures for women and men may be next.

                                            #7.8 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:40 PM EDT

                                            Ourdoc,

                                            It is the current administration that is attacking pre-screening for women. In an article in the same section on msnbc.com, mammograms and pap smears are all being attacked and it appears they will eventually only be permitted every 3-5 years. Tell men to get their PSA cancer screening every 3-5 years as well and let's see what our mostly middle aged congressmen as well as our president will do. I would expect a huge uproar from these men.

                                              #7.9 - Thu Mar 15, 2012 9:03 AM EDT
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                                              I agree with GT6852 but I'm also involved in medical research with a prostate cancer clinical trial that's working with gene expression. The idea is that the only way you can really predict what pc is going to do to an individual is by analyzing their gene expression. The individual's genes will show whether it is aggressive or passive cancer and then you can customize the treatment to the individual instead of performing "one size fits all" treatments. The scientist that came up with the patent for this research is now working with patients who are getting biopsies at the recommendation of their urologists. In addition, we also included a clinical trial that revealed how many of these men brought down their PSAs and Gleason scores and altered their gene expression when they eliminated all meat, dairy products and processed sugar from their diets. The article is right...there are so many people with prostate cancer that will never die of it and the treatment can be much worse than the disease. The DaVinci robotics are amazing and they can minimize the side effects but not with everyone. So, take the PSA test but do your homework and don't just do whatever the doctor tells you out of fear...be your own advocate and get all the facts before you make your decision.

                                                Reply#8 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 6:47 PM EDT

                                                I watched my dad die from prostate cancer at the age of 80. He was originally diagnosed ten years earlier at the age of 70. With a Gleason score of 7 he opted for radiation.The radiation failed early and he was administered hormone treatment. That treatment also failed, and the cancer slowly spead through out his body before killing him in 2009. Three months after I buried my father I was diagnosed with prostate cancer.I can still recall my father telling me "Boy Make Sure That You Get Your Prostate Checked Regularly". That message resonated in my mind and it was one reason that my cancer was detected early. I opted for surgery and dont regret it. I cant roll the dice on my life. Yes I had to deal with some horrendous side effects but I am still here and cancer free today.

                                                  #8.1 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:21 AM EDT
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                                                  Jannie Lenardvia FacebookDeleted

                                                  Prove it!

                                                    Reply#10 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 7:03 PM EDT

                                                    Please don't feel safe because of studies. Use common sense, if you want to be assured you don't have prostate cancer have a PSA test. My husband some years ago had a high reading and had a biopsy, it wasn't cancer and succeeding tests for PSA were all normal. Our nephew always had a PSA test, and yr. and a half ago his follow-up showed he did have cancer. He is in late fifties. He went through a removal of his gland, and is doing fine.

                                                      Reply#11 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 7:03 PM EDT

                                                      they say 15% are misdiagnosed with good PSA levels..so 15% die, where is the positive proof of recovery..simple things like watch your weight & diet & exercise can be Lifesaving..it's true, Cranberry Juice does make urination a Lot more comfortable..the real solution is for men to keep up regular health checks so things don't go too far, meaning a short Life......

                                                        Reply#12 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 7:22 PM EDT

                                                        Oh no you don't. If women are legislated to the back of the bus, so are men. If a pap smear is okay by some "panel" every five years (what a joke), then men's prostate need be checked only as often, too--even less, since men don't actually bear children. After all it's just a prostate, what's that going to do to one's health?

                                                        Some day, the little light is going to come on, and these "panels" and their payors (because we all know that these studies are bought and paid for by someone--probably an insurance company, government agency or religious group) will realize that a little prevention goes a long way. Testing for early discovery and prevention is far less expensive than a long drawn out health battle. Some little beancounter is trying to be be pennywise but poundfoolish.

                                                        Giving frontpage press to these BOGUS studies does nothing to help anyone except get us riled up against such stupidity. Just name me a study you would like to see done, pay me well, and I'll come up with any answer you want, with statistics to back me up. Anyone can do it. It's easy. Just pay big bucks. Until then, please quit printing this foolishness, and wise up.

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                                                        Reply#13 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 7:33 PM EDT

                                                        Sorry, I was so riled up--I should have made it clear that all men and women should have regular health screenings and consult with their family physician on a regular basis. What I'm upset about is that some (anonymous, unconnected, bought and paid for) panel is trying to make our individual and singular healthcare decisions for us (men and women alike), and that's the last thing any of us should want. We are all individuals and each of us has specific singular needs. All of us should be proactive regarding our healthcare.

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                                                        #13.1 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 7:41 PM EDT

                                                        I agree 100%! I earlier commented on how I wouldn't want to to pay for men's healthcare, but really, I all I want is to be able to make my own choices with my doctor, and not be worried that some politician doesn't like me getting a preventive exam simply because I'm a woman. Everyone out there has different medical needs because no one is the same inside and has different issues.

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                                                        #13.2 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 8:00 PM EDT
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                                                        True
                                                        story…. I was 45 years old and after a routine visit to my primary care doctor,
                                                        I was alerted to a very high PSA count. His immediate insistence for me to go
                                                        to the specialist was not just an alert, but more like a 3 station fire alarm.
                                                        I visited the specialist and he conducted a digital exam. (Never had one before…interesting
                                                        thing this digital rectal exam) I was so unnerved by the whole process, I
                                                        forgot wipe off the KY Jelly he used as an insert lubricant. I remember he seemed
                                                        used about half of a tube of lube. I
                                                        also wondered why he threw a box of handy wipes on the examination bed. Anyway,
                                                        I pulled up my pants and started to sit down on a stool. As soon as I sat onto the stool, I slid off of
                                                        the stool onto the floor. Imagine getting your flip flops wet and your feet
                                                        sliding inside your flip flops when you walk. The same thing happened between
                                                        my butt and my pants. Being quite embarrassed, I looked up and pointed at the
                                                        handy wipes and said,”Oh…ok” The specialist said the prostate felt ok…very soft
                                                        and not enlarged. We both had a good
                                                        laugh and I thought everything was fine. Within seconds after I pulled up my
                                                        pants and gained my composure, the nurse came in to deliver the recently faxed blood
                                                        test from my primary care doctor. The specialist looked at the results and said
                                                        “whoa”. Your PSA count is seriously high. We need to schedule a biopsy to see
                                                        what’s going on. Two weeks, which seemed like four weeks went by very slowly. All the time I was wondering if I had cancer. Finally, it was time for the biopsy. I was escorted
                                                        into the examination room and was asked to lie on my side on the examination
                                                        bed. The biopsy tool looked like a flintlock
                                                        pistol.” So…. that’s your tool”? I asked the specialist. “Oh yea” he responded.
                                                        I wasn’t trying to be funny, I was just nervous. After some anesthesia, the
                                                        specialist and his assistant began the biopsy.
                                                        It wasn’t so bad. They talked me through the procedure. Twelve pieces of
                                                        my prostate were taken. I wondered if there was any prostate left over for me to
                                                        use at a later date. They found stones in the prostate, but thankfully, not
                                                        cancer, at least not now. Better safe than sorry! Get checked out. Just remember to wipe off the lubricant.

                                                          Reply#14 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 7:54 PM EDT

                                                          My urologist is a mild-mannered doctor about 70 years old. Educated in Nebraska, many years of experience and keeps up to date almost religiously. Your description of the biopsy brings back unpleasant memories of when he went where no man had gone before. He said not to worry unless I begin liking it. The tool he used to implant the 24k gold markers for the radiation oncologist was just as evil.

                                                            #14.1 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 8:41 PM EDT
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                                                            For another side of this coin one can search "I want my prostate back" .

                                                              Reply#15 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 8:09 PM EDT

                                                              What the hell is soo dangerous about a blood test? They draw blood and test it after its out of the body, it is substantially safer than having yer rectum probed for polyps. Ahh never mind it can lead to unnecessary treatments which result in loss of health. I stupidly assumed the test was way more accurate.

                                                                Reply#16 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 8:29 PM EDT

                                                                Suggest: Confirm elevaled PSA with CEA. My personal experience with psa of 6 to 8 return to

                                                                4.0 after antibiotic treatment ( tetracycline 7days, followed with 7 days furadantin.

                                                                A re their any studies on prostate gland culture for micros ( bact.viruses)?

                                                                Respectfully, Jose Yglesias, CLS (ASCP

                                                                  Reply#17 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 8:30 PM EDT

                                                                  A few notes from one who has been there:

                                                                  1. High PSA almost always signals a problem, could be an infection or prostate cancer.

                                                                  2. Low (normal range) PSA does not guarantee that the man does not have prostate cancer.

                                                                  3. If the PSA begins to creep up and does not respond to treatment for infection. Get a biopsy.

                                                                  4. If a man lives long enough and does not die from something else he will get prostate cancer.

                                                                  5. Find an experienced urologist who was educated and trained at good quality institutions in the U.S.

                                                                  My PSA rose very slowly to 6+, then it jumped to 8+ in weeks. Biopsy showed cancer cells but it had not spread outside the organ. Treatment was 45 sessions of radiation ( 5 times a week for 9 weeks). PSA now at 3.2 but must be monitored regularly.

                                                                    Reply#18 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 8:31 PM EDT

                                                                    The problem is the side effects. Hormone treatment is a medicinal form of castration. I have friends and relatives who have done this. Hormone treatment basically turns you into an impotent, effeminate male. Removal destroys the ability to ejaculate. Radiation has many terrible side effects. All of the above can cause incontinence. The doctors are very less than honest about this because they make huge amounts of money on these treatments. I said it before; there are worse things than dying. It's going to happen anyway, sooner or later. I intend to live to the fullest until it does.

                                                                      Reply#19 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 8:33 PM EDT

                                                                      wow, you absolutely do not have a clue what you're talking about. Radiation is awful, I had them cut it out, no rads at all and full functionality regained after.The robotic surgery is incredible!

                                                                        #19.1 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:58 PM EDT
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                                                                        On a side note i hear people complaining about the new healthcare law will cause the government to ration health care. How is it possible that the people making these complaints do not know that private health insurance companies have been rationing health insurance for decades? They dont ration it for any reason other than to boost their profits, so i consider private health insurance companies to be a direct threat to our ability to access health care.

                                                                          Reply#20 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 8:35 PM EDT

                                                                          I have had prostrate surgery...more specifically brachytherapy. From the first diagnossis using PSA and onward one thought I was going to die immediately and this sense of urgency is often confusing not to mention traumatic. In addition, this sense of urgancy leads one to make impulsive decisions and the whole process is quite stressful. Then after the surgery one is left with the side effects and complications that there are only band-aids to the problem but somehow are suppose to be magic. Depending on the institution doing the procedure --mine was the VAMC-- you can be subjest to the "processes" of ignorance, incompassion and most of all greed and corruption...just because someone wants to save your life. The processes are new and lack peer review. In any attempt to be informed or to continue to be informed is twarted by lack of information on the backend...specifically good medical records thereby eliminating any mal practice-concerns and liabilities for the parties involved. I was lied to but can't prove it and it was life altering. GET A SECOND OPINION and if you have to do the LAPROSCOPY type of procedure.

                                                                            Reply#21 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 8:36 PM EDT

                                                                            not just a second opinion but you really need a non-patient with you at all times preferably a family member. I can tell you that during that time of my life thought process and information storage goes out the window. People would tell me they talked to me and I didn't remember, I was too caught up in the emotion as you describe. Very important to have someone watching your back...

                                                                              #21.1 - Thu Mar 15, 2012 12:06 AM EDT
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                                                                              Just an observation from a 62-yr old guy who has the periodic physical. If you have any sexual activity whatsoever in the week or so before this money-making (for those MD's who try to make a career of fear) PSA test, your results will be "elevated". That's when they seriously suggest that you should allow them to breach the natural security between your beneficial bacteria-laden digestive system and your body cavity by sending multiple biopsy needles into the latter. I refused, abstained a week or so, and had a "reduction" by the next physical. Sorry participating urologists - why not really help people and go into general practice?

                                                                                Reply#22 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 8:37 PM EDT

                                                                                You must have had a bad MD so now your not getting it a PSA Check by a MD you can trust if not

                                                                                good luck it can change fast trust me

                                                                                  #22.1 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 9:00 PM EDT

                                                                                  you shouldn't be mocking you're one of the lucky ones

                                                                                    #22.2 - Thu Mar 15, 2012 12:09 AM EDT
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                                                                                    I am a prostate cancer survivor, 12 years. I opted not to do surgery as it had too many side effects. Instead I went to Loma Linda University Medical Center in Loma Linda , CA for proton radiation therapy, safer than xray radiation, as the proton deposits its radiation in the prostate and not in healthy tissue. Before you do surgery go to www.llu.edu and click on proton radiation facility for more info.

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                                                                                    Reply#23 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 8:47 PM EDT

                                                                                    can you have sex on this type of therapy?

                                                                                      #23.1 - Thu Mar 15, 2012 12:10 AM EDT
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                                                                                      DO THE PSA TEST IF I HADN"T I WOULDN'T BE TYPING THIS

                                                                                      My PSA tests started at 3 and increased over the year it might not mean cancer but its a god damn good gauge id be dead today if i didn't do this PSA then the biopsy test in 3 months I was a stage 4 prostrate cancer thanks to my 2 great doctors in San Diego Dr Loren Novak NCMC and Dr Christopher Kane UCSD i had the surgery ands home next day and no complications and now in remission 3 years Sure there are side effects including impotence, incontinence and bowel problems. But its a hell of a lot better than being dead so my view is do the PSA every year unless change and if change 6 months and if it goes up biopsy and go from their if you do get prostrate cancer and you can do DA Vinci® surgical robot is the only way to go screw that chemo and radiation The DeVinci surgery i was home less than 12 hrs and never had a problem other than that damn catheter (lol)

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                                                                                      Reply#24 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 8:52 PM EDT

                                                                                      I started PSA testing at age 40. Between 49 and 52 there was an elevation in the PSA test from 2.4 to 3.9. Because the linear elevation was greater than 25% I went to see a Urologist. During the DRE he detects a nodule and set me up for a biopsy.

                                                                                      The results came back positive and he recommended I have a prostatectomy using the Da Vinci robot. To me at my age there was no option and opted to have it done as soon as possible. Good thing because there was no margin between the cancer and wall of the prostate.

                                                                                      Keep in mind there is no cure for prostate cancer and unless it's cut out it will continue to grow... either slow or fast depending on the type. I'm now 55, fully functional, and no PSA detected over the past 3 years.

                                                                                      My advice is get a PSA.

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                                                                                      Reply#25 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 9:02 PM EDT

                                                                                      Congrats the only way to go

                                                                                        #25.1 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 9:09 PM EDT
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                                                                                        Everyone here should follow the link to the article and read it. It's not as impressive as is being reported.

                                                                                        Also, read that just about every doctor connected with the study is on the take from big pharma.

                                                                                          Reply#26 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 9:10 PM EDT

                                                                                          Salomi@ All I can say it worked for me its a article about regular prostate screening to reduce deaths

                                                                                            #26.1 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 9:36 PM EDT
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