Komen is done. They've been infiltrated by the religious-right wingnuts.

Progressives are moving their contributions to other organizations that provide similar support for breast cancer.

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First, they will change their story. Next, they will slander the victim. Then they will change their story again, denying they ever said any of the previous stories, even though there are videos of them. By then, the story will have blown over and everyone will have moved on to the next scandal du jour.

its Komen's money - why can't they spend it the way THEY want to?

What am I missing here?

It is a GOOD thing that 'progressives' send their money to who they want to do business with since, after all, when they take my tax money I have no control over how they choose to spend it . . .

"Progressives are moving their contributions to other organizations that provide similar support for breast cancer"

One such group would be Planned Parenthood. Cut out the middle man and send your donations directly to them. They still do cancer screenings, wtih our without Susand G. Komen, et al.

Comanchedriver.... A good chunk of Komen's money comes from those that spend their time garnering donations and walking miles for those donations. Pretty stupid to piss off those that are a source of income.

not a political decision?? BS!

Planned Parenthood sees big spike in donations

Planned Parenthood has already received more in donations than their annual funding from Komen just in the day since news of the funding cut broke.

That didn't work out so well, eh Komen?

@ comanchedriver. Yes, it's their money that others have DONATED...that would be voluntarily. If their going to let politics influence who they spend that money on then the donars will stop donating...plain and simple. Yeah, they can control how and where it's spent but if that's how they make those choices then a lot of people just won't donate to them anymore. As FLYNAVY said..."Pretty stupid to piss off those that are a source of income". I'm a strong proponent of breast cancer research and prevention funding...my 30 year old daughter is a BCa survivor but I'm seriously considering pulling my donations from Komen and giving it to PP directly.

STLMIke: No laws were broken and no one said otherwise: guess it just went sailing right over your head that KOMEN"S largest donor base is WOMEN, and women in general don't share the right wing nut job insistence that government tell women what the will and won't do, regardless of their constitutional rights. It's suddenly not the business of US Senators to say that??? Guess "conservative" values for you have a whole different meaning on your planet.

The Senators don't have a right to tell a charity what to do BUT they do have a right to watch over any charity that may get any government tax breaks--KOMEN does.

The Senator's letter just puts the foundation on alert that they are not pleased so watch what you do closely.

I just LOVE how Planned Parenthood is characterized in this story: s/

Planned Parenthood provides abortion, birth control and other health services to women

Wonder how/why the 3% of what they do got mentioned FIRST??? Hmmm, well, now we know whose side the writer is on!

comanchedriver: SGK is certainly well within their rights to donate to whoever they want to. And they did just that. But they have to accept the consequences of their decision as well. Basically instead of giving a BS answer to the question why, they could have come clean and owned up to it. Now they not only have angered a huge contingent of their own donors, but they look sleazy trying to cover up the real reason.

Comanchedriver

Nobody is saying they cannot do this. It is their money.

People are simply saying to them if you are going to exclude a major respected and established charity based on flimsy made up political reasons then I will take MY money away from you. There are enough people upset by this that Komen will take a major funding hit.

I for one am going to actively rally my friends away from Komen events, and provide our time and money to charities that are not pushing a religious agenda. From my circle of friends alone that will mean thousands of dollars lost in contributions and donated time.

For me, this is strike 2 against Komen. I've done the "race for the cure" and raised money from my family and friends for what I thought was a great cause. Then I discovered that the Komen Foundation spends hundreds of thousands of dollars suing other charitable organizations who've used the "race for the cure slogan. It is my feeling that any sort of horrible disease that needs contributions for research and to screen those at risk should be in this together. I was so disgusted to learn that money that many worked so hard to collect (many cancer sufferers and survivors themselves) was going toward senseless lawsuits. I'm newly and equally disgusted by the cut to PP, a very worthy non profit organization that provides numerous services to low income women, including mammograms. I believe that Komen has truly lost its way. I will definitely give my support to other, more worthy charities, who are more concerned with those they say they want to help.

Hey Comanchedriver (#1.4) don't worry about the progressives are neither spending your tax dollars nor receiving them. The bulk of it is going to the military, intelligence and federal law enforcement.

Of course it's political. The Komen Foundation has destroyed their reputation with this move and now sounds like the religious right that represents the Tea Party.

Joanne - just because someone supports PP means they work for them??? It just sounds to me that you must not be liking the overwhelming support of PP.

Brian, you have it exactly right. Komen can direct their funds wherever they want. They just won't be doing it my money anymore.

Komen initially said that they cut off funding to Planned Parenthood because PP was under investigation. The idea that they would use an obviously politically motivated investigation as an excuse to cut off funding was laughable so now they are trying to change their tune. The reality is that they bowed to political pressure. Anyone with a brain can see that the investigation of Planned Parenthood is being conducted by a political hack for political reasons, not because of anything wrong at PP. I think that Komen is in for a huge shock, and a huge drop in donations as a result of this decision. Those that support abortion rights are a far larger group in this country then those who do not, particularly among women. Komen has just alienated their biggest source of donations and will pay the price. There are plenty of other organizations for people to give to with the same mission who have not surrendered to the extremist political hacks. And just for the record, I am pro-choice, but still feel that abortion should not be used as birth control or for other dubious reasons like selecting the sex of the child, but only in cases of rape, incest, or threat to the health of the mother. I am just evolved enough not to try and force my personal beliefs on others.

Anytime you let somebody else decide how YOUR money gets spent and you dont agree with it; its called politics. Make your own decisions about your own money.

There are a lot more people than PP employees who are upset about this. Every woman I know is. Komen gets no money from me; whatever they got from me now goes to PP. The right wing will support Komen, they don't need the little people.

Planned Parenthood is under investigation. Komen is not.

Abortion for the most part is a choice. Breast cancer is not.

If Komen decides, because Planned Parenthood is under investigation, due to NO fault of Komens, to scrutinize the books on where Planned Parenthood is spending their money and finds out that they are not fulfilling the guidelines to show where and how the money is spent, or being spent incorrectly, how is this a change in their story!

I commend the Board at Komen's and their decision to stand on a subject that it seems is very unpopular!

But, I don't think they care about popularity, they're trying to find a cure for cancer!

This have politics written over it, and that's the sad part. I'm aganist abortion however, i do support the other service that they Planned Parent, provide to women. I sincerely hope that we, as women are paying attention to these sweeping changes of the so called teaparty/gop. called aganist women.

Pretty hypocritical, given that another poster found this information the day the story broke:

KFC is under investigation...Komen takes $ from them
Ford is under investigation...Komen takes $ from them
Bank of America is under investigation...Komen takes $ from them
American Airlines is under investigation...Komen takes $ from them
Caterpillar is under investigation...Komen takes $ from them
Nestle is under investigation...Komen takes $ from them
Egglands Best is under investigation...Komen takes $ from them
Yoplait is under investigation...Komen takes $ from them
Dell is under investigation...Komen takes $ from them
Major League Baseball is under investigation...Komen takes $ from them
Lowes is under investigation...Komen takes $ from them
Merck is under investigation...Komen takes $ from them

AND

ASCO is under investigation...Komen gives $ to them
AACR is under investigation...Komen gives $ to them
WHO is under investigation...Komen gives $ to them

In fact EVERY corporate partner I checked except Hallmark Cards Stores was under some sort of investigation and every organization they gave grants to was as well.

RealAmericanFirst - Good to see Planned Parenthood is going to benefit from Komen's stupidity.

The point is that LOTS of organizations Komen does business with are under investigation. Funny that the only one they decided to cut off was Planned Parenthood.

But of course, it has nothing to do with abortion (wink, wink).

Cutting grants to organizations that benefit women that can not afford to get health care is not a good way to show cancer patients that you care about their health ... the Komen foundation leadership is not interested in womens health ... How much of the charitable donations go to Ms Brinkers $250,000 salary

@kevin88: spending only 17% of the $331,000,000+ they received in donations in 2009 on cancer research definitely doesn't cut it. If anyone should be investigated for how the money is spent it ought to be Komen! The CEO makes $500,000K per year and they spend millions prosecuting lawsuits against other smaller charities that use the "for the cure" tag line. Now how is that responsible spending that shouldn't be investigated? You go right on commending all you want. Meanwhile millions of women across the country are going without breast cancer screening and mammograms because they can't afford them and Komen has just taken away one of their primary care givers' ability to provide these services.

Whether we are talking about abortion, or Komen, or women's rights, or family panning or donations... Pro choice means just that - support of individual choice.

When you deny choice, you become an autocracy or a totalitarian society. My support of freedom of choice allows conservatives to also exercise their freedom of choice. However, conservative denial of choice supports their freedoms but denies mine.

That is the crux of the argument. Komen has lost respect, integrity and donations.

The Komen Foundation finally learned of 'Planned' Parenthood's underlying mandate.; and realized that saving women from breast cancer need not be connected to murdering millions of humans. Think this is right wing radicalism? Study the history, especially of founder Margaret Sanger. Somehow killing babies, is not planned parenthood. Don't want the ' kid?' -adopt it out-don't kill it and then try to 'save' a woman from breast cancer. There are other resources for mammograms in most communities, such as the YWCA, and women's clinics that do not murder human babies. We save the puppies and kill the babies-Whew!

It's strange how the party of "no government regulation" is all for regulating people's private lives......

Comanche,

It is a GOOD thing that 'progressives' send their money to who they want to do business with since, after all, when they take my tax money I have no control over how they choose to spend it . . .

Yeah, I know, those damn progressives taking YOUR money and spending it on things like the Iraq war, the Afghanistan war, border fences, the war on drugs, Bush's prescription drug plan give away tothe pharma industry, the Army, the Navy, the Air Force, enough nukes to destroy the planet 50 times over. Isn't it positively awful how progressives are "taking" and spending YOUR money?

Walk for a cure....to any of the well respected CANCER RESEARCH groups listed on charity navigator that actually live up to their Mission Statement.

Komen is a "business"...and is more inclined to support a political agenda than a health agenda.

All that pink ribbon EXPENSE hardly justifies their sincerity for woman's health when they pull a stinky stunt like this one.

Brinker is an accomplished liar just like all GOP flunky's. She has stated publicly that she wants to see 'Roe vs Wade' overturned. I'm so fed up with these right wingers out to take away the rights of ALL woman to decide what to do with their own bodies. People like Brinker are so transparent with their religious bigotry it makes me sick. I am re routing my donations from Koman to Planned Parenthood.

Sharon ,

The Komen Foundation finally learned of 'Planned' Parenthood's underlying mandate.; and realized that saving women from breast cancer need not be connected to murdering millions of humans.

Stop spewing complete garbage. Approximately 3% of Planned Parenthood's services goes toward abortion. How is that a "mandate"? PP's "mandate" is what the their name says - planning parenthood. Most of PP's services are about preventative care including preventing pregnancy in the first place. So, if you would stop your eyes from spinning round in circles about abortion for just a moment, you could figure out that money spent on Planned Parenthood actually prevents abortions.

You don't want to alienate the liberals when it comes to women's causes. Conservatives notoriously come in two flavors: Very rich and sly and poor and ignorant. The former hoards their cash, the latter has no cash to donate. Liberals tend to be financially stable, well-educated and extremely philanthropic.

Don't let the self righteous hate of the conservative right allow another woman to die from breast cancer.

Cut up your pink ribbons, your pink ribbon magnets, and your pink ribbon pins and send them in to Suzanne G. Komen Foundation with a note indicating you no longer support this organization.

Support breast cancer screening at Planned Parenthood, they have a seperate fund for that, go to plannedparenthoodl.org to find out where to send your donations.

I had a double mastectomy for breast cancer some years ago. I do not support these "walks" or the American Cancer Society or Komen as I feel like a fool knowing that the cancer industry is so big it will never "find a cure." Look at the amount of money that is pumped into this "industry." Why would they ever want to find an actual cure?! They would be out of a job! Prevention and lack of pollution is the answer but we have the chemical company's and rich industrialists in control of our economy so we will continue to rely on drugs and pollute our air, water and earth.

Also, I find it ironic that people are so shocked by the way men control women in the mideast but they don't see the sneaky under handed attempts to control women's rights and right to choose here in this country. We worry about Islamic extremists while we have extreme Christianity trying to take over in this country. Wake up folks!

Sharon, there are over 500K unwanted kids in the foster care system today. Tell you what, when you and all the other pro-lifers start walking the walk and ensure every single one these "live kids" is placed in a loving adopted home, only THEN can you and the others spout off about "adoption" or other "killing babie and not puppies" yet bet you eat EGGS which are chicken fetuses! Ugh the lunacy of your rhetoric has no bounds!

RE-READ THE ARTICLE: Planned Parenthood used these funds to provide FREE MAMMOGRAMS to low income / indigent women for the sole purpose of dectecting cancer!

I hardly doubt the real G. Komen would refuse this funding to Planned Parenthood for providing a service to women that may SAVE A LIFE! What "standards" could this CEO have possibly have changed to deny this service to them?!? Geesh. Guess I will need to change "my donation standards" and will now donate my $100 to a breast cancer organization that actually cares about the early screening, prevention and detection of breast cancer. Dumb, Dumb, Dumb.

@g4mys90: bless you for your strength and courage! Indeed, none of these charity businesses are interested in finding a cure for the plague that is cancer - they make far too much money off of women's suffering and death. Anyone can and does pity the victims of breast cancer but it takes a much bigger person to work toward preventing that suffering in the first place.

As for the war now being waged against the rights of American women, you couldn't be more spot-on. While we're busy worrying about how the rest of the world is treating its mothers, wives, sisters and daughters the rights of our own are being stolen right out from under our noses. Make no mistake: a war has, indeed, been declared and Komen just sided with the enemy.

planned parenthood doesn't cure cancer, all the people who are mad about this are mad because they see it as a criticism of abortion, which is probably why Komen is pulling away from such a political issue and moving money towards one of the million groups, universities, whatever that are actually doing cancer research, you can say what you like, but you're really mad because you think the evil republicans are trying to take away your abortions again. its not about cancer, planned parenthood or Komen. It's about liberals foaming at the mouth because they think they see an opportunity to be self-righteous. All of the free services PP gives to low income women could be easily (and more efficiently) done in free clinics or hospitals, Dem's give that money to PP instead so that it can operate its abortion factories under the guise of free services to the poor (in poor communities, which dem's feel need the most euthanasia, due to all the undesirables), even if abortions are a small percentage of the services PP performs, its the sole reason why they exist, otherwise like i said, all those services for women could be done more easily for free at their doctor, hospital or free clinic, with that same gov money.

Since Komen has now become just an attack arm of the right wing PACs they should be investigated by the IRS and have their charity exemption status revoked.

@Franko: do you have any idea what you're talking about? Komen admitted just a couple of months ago that PP provides breast cancer screening and mammograms to women in many communities in which PP IS THE ONLY PROVIDER AVAILABLE!! These women don't have the luxury to go to a clinic or a hospital because THERE ARE NONE.

We aren't mad about the abortion debate. We are mad because, once again, a political statement is being made on the backs of - or in this case, on the breasts of - the neediest women among us. We are mad because an organization that many of us supported and believed in has revealed itself to be nothing more than an advocate willing to side with the enemy in a war being waged against our rights and we won't stand for it. Not this time.

Michele Bachmann's twin?

Easy solution would be for Komen Foundation to donate the money to local clinics or hospitals for the sole purpose of womens cancer screening, prevention, and detection. The government should NOT be in the business of dictating how charitable funds are distributed. Go ahead and protest or cut up your ribbons or facebook your friends or whatever. If the government was telling Komen that they HAD to donate their money to PP, then you would really be seeing an injustice.

OF COURSE THIS IS POLITICALLY MOTIVATED. Poor Susan Komen, she probably would never have sanctioned any of this. Like the fellow said above. BS, BS, BS. As a cancer survivor myself, will not purchase a thing or run a race or donate to anything Komen-Pink motivated. FIRE THAT REPUBLICAN SNOT, GET RID OF THE RIGHT WINGER SNAKES. They love to divide. And certainly since when did mammograms and breast examinations have anything to do with abortions? Planned Parenthood provides much needed support and care to the much needy - KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK YOU ARE DOING PLANNED PARENTHOOD - You deserve every friggin penny you receive!

The hypocrisy in our society never fails to amaze me. We are in such a state that we don't just contradict each other, we say something then turn around and contradict ourselves. Worse still is that much of the population has for lack of a better term "A D D." Our attention spans are so short that we don't even notice these contradictions for long. I agree this charity has the right to spend their money however they see fit. The thing is this is money that has been donated to them to use in a manner supportive of the stated goal, this being breast cancer prevention. I have a company I started years ago that supports nursing mothers. I have for years bought fabric for nursing covers and burp cloths for the babies. I have always purchased the pink ribbon fabric, where a portion of proceeds go to The Komen foundation. I will now be donating directly to planned parenthood. Many of the mothers I help I have met through PP. I personally don't agree with abortion, that said I do believe we live in a great country where a woman has the right to make the decision that she has to live with and not have the govt. make those decisions for her, this includes abortion as well as child birthing (think China's one child law). To deny a population of women that need the most preventative care (as many will not seek if due to financial hardship) is the wrong way to make a stance. I also think it directly contradicts there stated goal. I hope they change there mind, and I am glad that PP is getting the funds needed still. I hope it continues.

I have just read the breaking news story of Mayor Michael Bloomberg's (NYC) gift of $250,000 to Planned Parenthood, in response to the Komen Organization giving in to Republican anti-choice intimidation and bullying. Thank you Mr. Bloomberg, once again, for your generosity and for your frequent demonstrations of your courage, compassion and humanity.

More and more, day by day, we see bountiful evidence displayed around our country for why compassionate Americans, such as Mayor Bloomberg, find they must leave the Republican party; a political party which has abandoned compassion.

And this latest example of zealous intimidation of Planned Parenthood by a Republican Congressman is another demonstration of just how far the so-called "Religious Right" has strayed from Christ's teachings, as noted in the Book of Matthew.

Ironic, isn't it, that persons of the Jewish faith such as Mr. Bloomberg often remind us all of those teachings by practicing greater "Christian values" than do many on the far Right whom identify themselves as Evangelicals?

Of course Jesus was also a Jew, and a Rabbi. And it is the Religious Right which has strayed most from adherance to Judeo-Christian teachings about humanity, compassion, tolerance and our obligations to our fellow human beings.

The so-called "Christian Right" has 'evolved' to become the oxymoron of our times. They are neither "Christian", nor are they "right."

Jo Ann-666954, You must have hit a nerve, because the Liberals---intollerant of opposing views (as usual), collapsed your site...don't worry, the intelligent have heard your comment loud and clear. In fact, the collapsed comments are the first ones I open up. Tends to thwart MSNBC in their never-ending attempt to blind it's viewers.....

@angie thats exactly what i was talking about, the money given to the abortion factories could go to local clinics/hospitals (which they have everywhere for your information) if that money went to the local clinics instead of the abortion clinics then it wouldn't be as you said, where PP gets that gov money instead of the local alternative. PP was founded by the eugenics movement which believes that there are certain elements of our society that dont really need to replace themselves, they replaced forced sterilization with free abortions and convinced all the morons like you that they're doing it for women. so now thx to gov money over time like you said PP is the best free choice for a young pregnant girl with no money, so she goes and gets her free natal, pap smears and everything else she needs and "oh and one sec, lemme have one of our nurse practitioners sit down for a counsel with you"... "have you thought about how having this baby will affect your life? no more fun, no more friends, no more school, no future, but it just so happens that behind door number 2 we have a much better option for you... step this way"

Real American, THANK YOU for sharing that post. I have (rather blindly I can see now) supported Koman by volunteering, running, walking, and donating. I am finished with them. I will look into another charity, make sure they aren't hypocrites, and put my energy and money there. Planned Parenthood will be getting this year's Komen donation.

Its a shame that this absolutely moronic CEO has let her politics dictate the direction of this once proud foundation. I'm not the least bit surprised though...just another tactic by the far right-wing GOP/TP to enforce their uninformed, mindless agenda. The Komen Board of Directors should relieve this Neandrethal from her duties ASAP. This will result in a total PR firestorm for Komen as an organization. No more support from me or any of my friends and relatives...I will donate directly to Planned Parenthood from this point forward. NO MORE PINK!!!

This is the first time I will be marching for Susan G. Komen, and my wife who lost her sister to breast cancer is walking too for the first time, since in the past her sister would not have approved of funds going to PP, and neither do we. I know of at least 50 others in our small community that will be marching for the first time because funds are not being spent in controversial ways. Komen will now start getting a donation from my meager earnings.

I read just about every post and for the most part each of them are hysterical, and hysterically funny. The right wing doesn't control Komen, and it can't force Planned Parenthood to stop screening women for breast cancer. Komen made a decision to spend the money it gets elsewhere, and some of you amazingly loopy people say you will vote with your feet. This is awesome! This is the way freedom should work.

But please don't continue to argue that the reason you gave money (if you even did) to SGK was to have some of it siphoned off by SGK before they passed some of it along to PP so that poor women could get breast cancer screenings. Geesus that is laughable. Only a liberal could conclude that is smarter than giving the money to PP DIRECTLY.

Now, please go back to posting more of your drivel so I can laugh again.

well said rickd, komen is divesting a relatively small amount of money from a highly controverial and political organization and putting it towards other means of curing cancer, all the rabid vitriol spewed by the liberals here today is a pretty good indication that its a good idea. so, liberals dont walk for breast cancer anymore, dont raise funds for it because this lady made you mad about abortions, fine, and maybe you'll remember to cut a check to PP at some point this year, but i doubt it, Komen has done more for curing breast cancer than PP ever has or ever will, shame on you all, you care more about being outraged than you do about solving the problem at the core of the issue, another good reason to move the money farther away from you and those like you.

So basically Planned Parenthood is operating like the Mob. Komen is, apparently, not ALLOWED to pass on renewing a donation because the thugs from PP will teach them a lesson.

"Nice charity you have there...wouldn't want anything to happen to it..."

Nothing but thuggery. What the left excels at.

Real american,

It is still their money, they can put it towards uses they see best fit. Simple as that. If PP gets more PR and more donations because of Komen, more power to them. It simply means that others feel their money is better spent given to PP.

She will regret playing politics with peoples beliefs.

They were aware that PP performed abortions when they started giving them donations for breast cancer screenings. So what changed?

I don't personally agree with using abortion as a means of birth control, but this is silly!!

She will regret playing politics with peoples beliefs.

Nice threat. My Gangster analogy is looking better and better.

I, for one, am truly glad that SBG is no longer giving money to Planned Parenthood.

Bravo to Komen. Why do all of you care to whom they provide funding?

PP has a history of not providing mammograms, which was exposed. Also, cancer is linked to both abortions and birth control. Do your own research, and then listen to the media.

Franko, PP does not use ANY government money for abortion services. It has opened up its books countless times to prove that fact. Abortion services compromise only 3% of the services it provides. This "investigation" was started by an extreme right wing rep, who is trying to shut them down, and is trying to say they are using government funds improperly. They provide services to wome in many places where they are the only option. If you are so against abortion, go get a vasectomy!

Franko and company...you just don't get it...you are simply too blinded by your moral/religious convictions to absorb what has taken place here! Let me speak S...L...O...W...L...Y so you can understand...this was a POLITICAL decision...period! Capisci!

even if abortions are a small percentage of the services PP performs, its the sole reason why they exist

Franko, it's hard to know where to even start to refute that rambling nonsense. But let's just think about economics for a moment - abortion services ARE, in fact, a very small percentage of what Planned Parenthood provides. So it is by no means the "sole" reason for the organization to exist, nor could Planned Parenthood continue to exist based only on fees obtained for abortions.

Where are you finding all of these "free" clinics you mention? In many areas, Planned Parenthood is the only option available for free or low cost health services. Women who do not have insurance, or independent funds, can get preventive care services for little or no money. And "free" services like a screening mammorgram at a hospital? How would they afford to do that? A hospital may be required to provide life saving services in the ER to patients who can't pay, but not optional services. Or did you want your own healthcare costs to skyrocket to pay for that? (Feel free to fund a mammohram clinic at your local hospital - but I don't want *my* premiums going up even more.)

I am not pro-abortion -- but I am firmly pro-choice. And I am pro-women's health. Just made my donation directly to Planned PArenthood to keep those services available.

Give directly to BCRF and Planned parenthood. Susan G Koman sends nearly all of your money to a telemarketing company that does nothing but pay their execs and telemarket for more money.

Breast Cancer Research Foundation is where to put it directly for research. Planned Paarenthood for diagnosis and treatment.

Susan B Koman to support right wing political causes...You choose.

This will destroy Komen. The timing is suspect, the explanation is hogwash. I have removed all Komen literature from my place of business. I will simply transfer the relatively small donations I make to Komen to Planned Parenthood. We are in the midst of a culture war and the battle is joined! Right wing religious fundamentalists want nothing less that a theocracy and the domination over a woman's reproductive rights! They shall not succeed!!

I'm done supporting Komen. If I could, I'd throw my pink Kitchen Aid mixture back at them. From now on, I'll send my money directly to Planned Parenthood. Done!

Franko and company...you just don't get it...you are simply too blinded by your moral/religious convictions to absorb what has taken place here! Let me speak S...L...O...W...L...Y so you can understand...this was a POLITICAL decision...period! Capisci!

So says you. Komen denies this. There are reasonable reasons why they would decide to put their money elsewhere. Question for you is this: Is Komen compelled to give to PP forever?? Is giving to PP a trap by which you will be castigated for deciding against - for any reason - giving them money?? Sounds liek the Mob to me.

Robert in Oregon, RE: post 1.56

Your post was both truthful and intelligently stated.....Thank You.

I'm done supporting Komen. If I could, I'd throw my pink Kitchen Aid mixture back at them. From now on, I'll send my money directly to Planned Parenthood. Done!

How about this: Let each of these organizations do what they do best. Komen is in the Breast Cancer Cure business. PP in the birth control/abortion business. They need not be linked. They serve different objectives.

Who cares what Komen does with their money? I for one can't stop them and I'm glad they are not giving to Planned Parenthood any further. All those undercover investigations done by Planned Parenthood in the past 3 years sickens me. Counselors telling pimps to lie about their girls ages so they won't get arrested.... Is there anything PP won't do in order to get funds?

All of these problems could be solved by separating the abortion services into one clinic and all the other services into another. Most women would not oppose STD screening, or birth control, etc. The only reason for this controversy is because Planned Parenthood doesn't want to admit that there is more money going towards abortions than is recorded.

I saw several posters claim that just knew Susan G. Komen would not like what her only sister, Nancy G. Brinker was doing with the money raised in Susan's name. I would think that Susan G. Komen's sister would probably know more about what her sister would want than someone who had never met her.

Maybe before you spout off about what Susan G. Komen would want, you should check your facts. Nancy G. Brinker is the only sister of Susan G. Komen and probably knew her very well.

Those self-righteous pious group of people can do no wrong. Oink oink.

Sounds like the left wing narcissistic liberals to me.

Obama in 2009 to Brian Williams on MSNBC: 'If I don't fix this nation in three years, I may very well be a one term administration'

Yep, things are worse now from unemployment to housing to food stamp recipients to the debt that China owns.

Obama in 2012 to America: 'It's still Bush's fault' - (never mind Democrats had both chambers of Congress in a super-majority during Bush's last two years).

Typical Republican hypocrisy...

They yell for smaller government, then demand MORE government in our bodies.

They cry about entitlements and welfare, then push to stop abortion so that the population receiving welfare will increase. Yes, you read that right... they are actively trying to increase the entitlement community they are against. (It is retarded logic, I know)

They scream about government mandates, then push their own mandate.

Republicans are by far the biggest hypocrites on the planet. Not only that, but they have the lowest intelligence of ANY community I have ever seen. Their logic dictates that they actively try to increase the programs they are against. I have never known anyone else to be adamantly against something, and then push for legislation to increase it. Their stupidity is mind-numbing.

The Komen Foundation was founded to help find a cure for breast cancer? Then they start funding grants to Planned Parenthood? Now there's less money so there are less grants? Man, that's too hard to comprehend ! Isn't Ms. Boxer the author of the earmark in the last minimum wage legislation that exempted American Somoa from the new minimum wage because of her husbands' interest in the Tuna Packing Industry? Maybe i'm thinking of Nancy Pelosi. Could someone out there tell me why we don't just let Komen get on with their business at hand? Planned Parenthood seems to have always done well on it's own !

Good grief. Look at the mob mentality on this vine. It always amazes me how such hatred and animosity pours out of people when what was an ongoing GIFT is no longer available. Somehow people think it's something they earned, or are somehow entitled, and it's the same ridiculous, idiotic me-me mentality that makes America so attractive to illegal immigration. Well, I guess Susan G. Komen better get a couple of body guards cuz I"m sure some low brow, idiotic neanderthal will think that assaulting her will be a stroke for the good guys. There are other ways for welfare moms and underpriviledged teens to get mammograms. I mean, that's the only ones that get mammograms at Planned Parenthood...right?

There is substantial research available that links breast cancer to abortion. Right now it is mostly anecdotal, but I bet there is something in the works which is about to come out that makes it conclusive. Planned Parenthood does a large percentage of abortions in this country and to deny that would be pretty insane. We have to ask ourselves why has breast cancer risen so much in the last 40 years. Interestingly, miscarriage does not have the same effect as the hormones necessary to carry to term are deficient and the extra breast cells that begin to develop early in pregnant women are not present. Left undifferentiated after abortion these cells remain in the breast to make cancer more likely to develop, or that is the theory. Can they prove it? Bet it is about to break and Komen Foundation did not want to be caught in the firestorm.

Why does the Reichwing hate women?

Carol, here's an idea. If you aren't prepared to have a child, don't have sex. Oh yeah, I forgot. We are just a bunch of monkeys unable to control our sexual impulses. Well thank God for PP. They have the answer. Free birth control and if that doesn't work, they'll just kill them.

You all spew that 3% statistic like it is something to be proud of. There were over 3500 babies killed today. There will be over 3500 more tomorrow and everyday thereafter. How is that for 3%. It is so good to live in a society where it is ok to kill the unborn so we can live how we wish.

@carol, mucker and cj. i adressed all your points already, i know abortions are a small percentage of the services they perform, ive already said that, i know ppl in those communities dont have many other options, ive already said that too, the reason the gov pays to build a PP clinic instead of a free clinic is because of the reason you, me, and everyone else he is aware of, PP is a clinic that will always give abortions for free to whoever wants one, thats why they build a PP clinic, instead of a free clinic, and thats why you care about PP clinics more than you do about free clinics (which do exist, maybe you can check one out if you ever take your volvo through a poor neighborhood) the point is that gov money can build free clinics, that provide all the same services to women (and more) or they can spend that money on PP. for the record, im not religious and i dont even really have a huge problem with abortion in principle, what bothers me is when people pretend that PP has nothing to do with abortions, and when people try to be dishonest for "the greater good". you really should look into the history of PP and its founders and their principles, you might be surprised to find out how pro-women they really are. i know its hard to comprehend anything that doesnt comform to 30 second liberal talking points, but the true nature and purpose of PP is pretty horrible and disgusting. i know you'll never be able to believe this, but it really is more about eugenics than it is about a womans right to choose, you could close every PP clinic in the US and women would still have the right to get an abortion. You say PP isnt about abortion, but every single reduction in their funding or any kind of restriction on them has you and your allies screaming bloody murder that the right is trying to take away the right to choose, which is it?

'Q22' wrote:

"How about this: Let each of these organizations do what they do best. Komen is in the Breast Cancer Cure business. PP in the birth control/abortion business. They need not be linked. They serve different objectives."

REPLY: 'Q22', yours is a perfectly logical question. However, the reason for the "linkage" is that Susan G. Komen is a fund-raising and distributing foundation. It does not operate the clinics, but rather it provides funds for women's health clinics operated by others (such as for the Breast Cancer screenings provided by Planned Parenthood); and it funds research.

I am amazed at how personal this has become. A charity that has done more for breast cancer research and saved more women's lives than any other organization merely chose not to donate to another charity and, instead, send the money where it will do more good to the cause of cancer research. The hate and vitriol is astonishing! And the sentiment that one would no longer give to cure cancer but instead give to an organization that offers nothing to the eradication of breast cancer is stunning! It is complete madness. Let Komen work for the cure. Let PP do what they do. Don't link them. Just because Komen changed their criteria for dispersing their funds doesn't mean that they have been infiltrated by right wing hobgoblins. They are not - repeat - NOT compelled to give to PP!

vttova - that 3% of what they do (though I'm not sure that's an accurate number) equates to MILLIONS of abortions, which is MILLIONS a babies killed. I certainly think that the killing of unborn babies should be at the top of their resume.

If I'd known Komen supported Planned Parenthood, I never would have supported Komen. Fortunately most of my donations have gone elsewhere though.

STLMike, you criticize Senators Murray and Boxer for expressing their opinion and say that "It is Komen's money and they can spend it any way they please." Well, if you really believe that tell your right-wing politicians to keep their nose out of it (Vittner and others have written letters and put pressure on Komen). But, you probably think it's legit for a Republican to pressure them but not OK for a Democrat to do the same thing. And, it "ain't" Komen's money. Many, many people have donated to Komen to support breast care for women without any political agenda involved. The money belongs to the donors. And, for Komen to take it and use it to satisfy a political agenda of the 'pubs is despicable.

Robert in Oregon

And that means what???? That they HAVE to give to PP? They can't allocate their funds elsewhere? like, maybe to clinics that actually perform mammograms rather than do referrals?

Q22, Planned Parenthood is in many forms of family and women's health care. A tiny fraction is related to birth issues. They actually offer preventative care and counseling. The very point of this whole discussionis that Komen, through their actions, have shown that they are in far more that the breast cancer business. They are in politics as well. And they are merely a funding organization. They do no actual research.

Unhappy, how is it that conservatives claim not to care what Komen does with their money, money donated by citizens, but they are very concerned about what the government does with their money? As for your other claims, where do you get all of this innuendo?

Hey guys, reich means group in German, so when you say Reichwing it means Groupwing and makes no sense. Before you say something, look up the meaning.

Many, many people have donated to Komen to support breast care for women without any political agenda involved.

That is the best reason to NOT give money to Planned Parenthood which is steeped in politics. In fact, there are few organizations in the US that are more political than PP.

its sad that all the liberals on this board collapse every comment they disagree with

I'm starting to think that the NEWSVINE crew are right wing nut jobs.

WHY, You may ask? Ever notice how many people's comments like FormerMarineSgt and others got 'Collapsed by the community' when they have not violated the code of conduct?

I'm sure I'll be banned for pointing this out.

formermarinesgt's comment got collapsed to kill the whole thread, it had too many accurate statements that werent pro-abortion so it had to be silenced, if you dont believe me take a look at the collapsed comments in this thread, they're all people who support komen's decision

You all spew that 3% statistic like it is something to be proud of. There were over 3500 babies killed today. There will be over 3500 more tomorrow and everyday thereafter. How is that for 3%. It is so good to live in a society where it is ok to kill the unborn so we can live how we wish.

M4Ogre,

Are you going to pay for all those unwanted kids? Nope.

Are you going to take care of all those unwanted kids? Nope.

Are you going to give a flying f*** about ANY of those kids after they are born? Nope.

We have over 150,000 unwanted children in this country with no homes... 150 F***ING THOUSAND with no home. What the F*** have YOU done to help them? Nothing... not a God D*** thing.

And NOW you want to ADD MORE to that problem? NOW you want to ADD MORE unwanted kids to an overpopulated world? We can't afford the current people in need, and you want to ADD MORE? There are not enough jobs for the current population, and now you want to ADD MORE? We can't afford current entitlements and welfare, now you want to ADD MORE?

Why don't you start focusing on a solution, instead of ADDING TO THE PROBLEM? People like YOU are trying to make the problem worse. So why don't you focus on a God D*** solution first, then you can talk about adding more to the problem.

I swear to GOD... the only thing the right-wing does is ADD to the problem, and not a single one has a solution. Fix the f***ing problem before you add to it.

Perhaps the news surfers/ranters on here should take the time to look at the allegations against PP and their misappropriation of funds. Since a choice should be made on information, perhaps some people would like to get some info before they decide their choice of words.

'Franko Relaxo' wrote:

"formermarinesgt's comment got collapsed to kill the whole thread, it had too many accurate statements that werent pro-abortion so it had to be silenced, if you dont believe me take a look at the collapsed comments in this thread, they're all people who support komen's decision."

REPLY: Uh huh. Another conspiracy theory hatched (supported only by your own thoughts and paranoia). Couldn't have anything to do with the length of the thread, right?

So, tin-foil hat time, maybe?

By the way, Franko, did it occur to you that your own post and those which have followed are expository evidence that the thread wasn't "silenced", as you claim?

What's that? Logic not your strong suit? Yep, I know, logic just gets in the way of a good conspiracy theory, doesn't it?

g4mys90

I sure wish I could give your post about 10 more votes! Very well said.

Just finished making an online donation to PP; took less time than reading this thread.

@robert, moderately clever but we both know its more likely the reason i gave than the one you did, like i said, take a look at the collapsed comments, the majority are pro-komen and lack any kind of offensive language or violations of terms

Through her career as a businesswoman, consultant, healthcare advocate and philanthropist, Nancy Brinker has received numerous national awards and titles, including:

Presidential Medal of Freedom August 12, 2009, awarded by President Barack Obama[7][40]
Time magazine, 100 Most Influential People in the World[6]
Ladies' Home Journal's 100 Most Important Women of the 20th Century[41]
Biography Magazine's The 25 Most Powerful Women in America[41]
Anti-Defamation League Americanism Award[42]
The Ladies' Home Journal's Top 10 Champions of Women's Health[43]
2009 Porter Prize [44]
2005 Mary Woodard Lasker Public Service Award in Support of Medical Research[41]
The Jefferson Award for Greatest Public Service by a Private Citizen[45]
2007 Trumpet Award[46]
2007 Castle Connolly National Health Leadership Award[47]
The Texas Governor's Award for Outstanding National Service
2007 Pro Cultura Hungarica Medal[48]
American Association for Cancer Research Centennial Medal for Distinguished Public Service in 2007[49]
2007 IARC Medal of Honour[50]
The American Society of Breast Disease 2006[51]
Global Pathfinder Award[51]
2004 Service to America Leadership Award presented by the National Association of Broadcasters Educational Foundation[52]
The Champions of Excellence Award presented by the Centers for Disease Control[41]
ASCO Special Recognition Award[53]
Cancer Research and Treatment Fund, Inc. Cancer Survivors Hall of Fame[2]
Modern Healthcare 2007 Health Care Hall of Fame[54]
The Sword of Ignatius Loyola Award from Saint Louis University[55]
The Healthcare Humanitarian Award presented by the Global Conference Institute
Toastmasters International Top Five Speakers for 2001 Award
The Sisters Network 2001 Lifetime Achievement Award
The 2000 Cino del Duca Award, the James Ewing Layman Award from the Society of Surgical Oncology
The 1999 Caring Award
The Albert Einstein's Sarnoff Volunteer Award[56]
The first Salomon Smith Barney Extraordinary Achievement Award
The Champion of Prevention Award by the National Foundation for the Centers for Disease Control[57]
1995 University of Illinois Alumni Achievement Award[58]
Inducted into the Cancer Research and Treatment Fund, Inc. Cancer Survivors Hall of Fame[2]
The American Society of Breast Surgeons Lifetime Achievement Award—2003

Sorry to rain on your parade, but I don't think she really cares what you irate bloggers write. Try to accomplish one (1) of the things on this list, then maybe you can challenge her character. Besides, who are you to say she isn't telling the truth to begin with.

Komen is, apparently, not ALLOWED to pass on renewing a donation because the thugs from PP will teach them a lesson.

So you're actually saying the people who stop donating to Komen should be forced to continue to donate to them? After this announcement by Komen I have chosen to donate directly to PP. In your eyes that makes me a PP thug?

Says much about your personality.

Mrgagl - thank you and everyone else who donated to Planned Parenthood. directly. I did the same - made my PLANNED PARENTHOOD contribution online last night.

Komen gets nothing from our family this year. I'm not even going to participate in the Race for the Cure.

How about this: Let each of these organizations do what they do best. Komen is in the Breast Cancer Cure business. PP in the birth control/abortion business. They need not be linked. They serve different objectives.

They are absolutely linked. Women's health is women's health, regardless if it is above or below the waist. Komen has made it perfectly clear that they are more into ideologies than the reality that women face about their healthcare every day.

how long do it take to do a investigation? three years and still going on O.o. Should have more then enough evidence to confirm the investigation any long it might be considered along the lines of a "witch hunt".

oh ya, im sure PP and their dem allies are being very helpful and forthcoming with the investigation, if there's on thing you can say about America, its that when the gov gets investigated, its thorough, fast, accurate and just, pfft, i dont think so

The Konen CEO denies that their decision was (T'publicon) political in their decision to defund Planned Parenthood, which does not appear to be the truth.

The original statement by Konen was that they would no longer give funds to orgs that were under investigation...... yet there are many other companies etc that Konen receive donations from or Konen is in business with, who are under investigation - as listed by several folks on this board.

Thus Why would Konen continue to be in business with or accept donations from orgs or companies that are under serious investigation? Wouldn't Konen also be tainted by /or because of their association with these companies.... if they are so high in the instep?

Why would Konen have employed Karen Handel as SENIOR V.P. for PUBLIC POLICY knowing her stance as anti-choice, anti- Planned Parenthood and who had previously noted that she would defund Planned Parenthood - during her run in the Georgia GOP Gubernatorial race?

The initial investigation of Planned Parenthood was initiated by a T'publicon anti-choice congressman, and although the PP information that he requested has been received by him, nothing further has been done about the investigation, per another congresswoman who spoke yesterday to the media.

Was this investigation therefore started to give Konen cover under which Konen could then change policy and use it to defund Planned Parenthood?

So why the investigation and the defunding, if not political?

Konen knew exactly what they were doing regarding defunding Planned Parenthood period, no matter what that former Ambassador CEO states to the contrary that it was not political.

It appears that Konen like Faux is a political arm of the T'publicondinos /anti choice-ers, but in the healthcare arena from the look of things. Hmmm

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it is PP under investigation not the "dem allies"

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I do agree to some degree, hydorfraking, Defense budget doesn't know where 25% of it budget went, Insider trading. Inflation of the house market along with mass amounts of bank loans, oh the list could go on.

endlessly (though its funny that you think its only in the case of issues that liberals are against) and if you dont understand that the dems fund PP i dont know what to say to that, do you really think it wouldn't be an embarrassment to pelosi, boxer, and the other high profile dems who are on record defending (and funding) PP countless times over the years, if it turned out that PP was lying about what they do and how they do it?

funny cause I don't vote democratic most of the time. Funding issues go on both sides of the aisle. The issues I stated effect people on both sides and I fail to see how they are classified as party issues. Only liberals are against not knowing where 25% of the defense budget walked off too? or that parties on both side seem to embrace insider trading as if it was part of their contract with the american people? What if PP has lied and spent funding on abortion that is not suppose be spent on abortions to then yes that needs to be dealt with as long as contraceptives don't count for abortions.

against not knowing = for knowing

Komen is definitely on to something big here. Listen to all the LeftyLibDem's squeal! What fun! And what ignorance. Komen's action certainly has brought out the worst of the LeftyLibDems, though I don't know for sure how one discerns between their best and their worst.

Here's a big LeftyLibDem news flash: ABORTIONS CAUSE BREAST CANCER. Of course causation hasn't been proven, but enough studies have shown correlation. And hey, the LeftyLibDem media doesn't know the difference since they are Journalists and didn't really study all that much in college. Not that they had anything rigorous to study anyway.

Here's another Big LeftyLibDem newsflash...especially for all the non-scientists that adore science and march to their misconceptions of science: HOMOSEXUALITY IS ANTI-EVOLUTION. Can't propagate. No natural selection. Only random mutations and what's the chances of that becoming significant? No matter that if homosexuality ever caught on in a big way, that'd be the end of homosapiens. Including LeftyLibDems! Just goes to show ya...there's a little good in everything!

Have a nice day.

Steve, so the men who have been diagnosed with breast cancer.... had an abortion?

Wow, medical history in the making or have been made. LOL

Peace...... laughter .... release endorphins....lower blood pressure.......

This is a cultural war against sex by the religious right. They are driven insane by the fact that PP provides education to teenagers about birth control. They are further infuriated by the fact that PP provides free contraception to young women. Abortion is only a small part of the right's war on Planned Parenthood. You want to see what happens when parents or schools fail to teach teenagers about sex? Bristol Palin happens.

Steve ~ Komen is on to something big? they reversed their decision.

Let's get to the big issue---all sorts of religious groups in this country are more and more active in partisan politics. It is time to do away with the tax exemption of these organizations and then they can act out whatever political positions they have without any interference.

Is that really true? Do you have references for this? I know there are religion-specific adoption agencies where people go so they know their baby will go to a couple from a specific religion, so this doesn't sound correct to me.

Catholic Charities is NOT banned from assisting adoptions but their adoption services are barred from receiving taxpayer subsidies as long as they refuse to accept gays as adoptive parents. So, they can still arrange all the adoptions they want to, and still discriminate against gays to their hearts delight, they just can't expect taxpayers to subsidize their anti-gay discrimination. That's fair because gays pay taxes too!

If Catholic charities want to place children in ALL acceptable homes, and not just straight, Catholic homes, fine. If they're going to use their religion as an excuse to be bigots, not fine. Not fine at all.

Singe - I agree completely. I watched two Catholic priests tag team someone on his death bed recently, trying to get him to sign multiple petitions on hot-button political topics recently. Time to tax all churches.

How does the left feel about Catholic Charities being banned from assisting adoptions because of their stance on various issues?

Do I care? No.

Bull@!$%# they are positive responses you are getting. I can't speak for others but Komen is not getting a dime from me again until Brinker is replaced and they reverse their decision on Planned Parenthood. Until then, my money will go directly to PP for their breast cancer screenings. This is utterly despicable what Brinker is doing.

Wow! Little Enis lives!! http://obscurecountry.com/enis.html

Carlos, if that isn't your real name, you must be from central Kentucky.

They're not banned from assisting adoptions. They're banned from taking government contracts for adoptions while discriminating against adoptive parents. As long as they're serving in a governmental role, they cannot discriminate illegally. What's so difficult about that?

@Carlos:

Catholic charities are not banned from assisting adoption. They just won't receive federal or state funds for it, because they refuse adoption into gay families.

Indeed, it is the Catholic Church's own bigotry that precludes it from receiving public funds for its role in adoptions - fully and completely their choice and within their control. They decided not to assist with adoptions anymore, and bear full responsibility for their choice.

Pretty general statement! They decided to stop because they did not want to allow gay couples to adopt. So your statement is way to broad. They could still provide the service if they wanted to.

The Catholic Church is not being banned--it is choosing not to participate. We're a country purportedly based on treating all equally. If the Catholic Church has doctrines that go against treating everyone equally why should America change for the Church?

It;s the same as if a charity said they wouldn't allow black couples or jews to adopt. Would you let that charity continue in the adoption process?

Twisting the facts much?

Christian charities refuse funds for adoption services because they will not drop discriminatory practices that excludes millions of people from receiving services. If you want public money, serve the public, not just those you deem worthy.

Planned parenthood is under attack by these same christian entities that want to punish them for providing services that they deem unacceptable.

My heart is torn by the sob stories you bring of Christians persecuted by those nasty liberals who simply refuse to listen to reason and let Christians dictate what is right and wrong in this country.

Yeah, this is sooooo similar!

Govt money comes with govt strings. How do you think social engineering gets done? Social engineering (aka telling other people how to live) is what political power is.

The Catholic church shouldn't get government money if it wants to engage in discriminatory practices. And it shouldn't escape taxation it pushes a political agenda.

Social engineering is what planned parenthood is based upon it is called Eugenics and racism. Us ' radical Christians' can opt out of being forced into betraying our beliefs, just as you can opt out of joining the Elks or Lions or at least for now Islam. Check out the website for aclj.org and click on the link re planned parenthood and listen in- very eye opening.

So Komen is in the business of trying to save the lives of women by curing breast cancer and they dont want to give their money to an organization that is in the busienss of killing millions of future women...I would imagine common sense and not politics is guiding their decision...but either way its their money and who they give it to is their business...if you think its wrong then give your own money to PP

Well, I notice that an aufull lot of progressives feel that SGK is driven by right wing ideology so they are going to "Pull the money they send to SGK and give it to Planned Parenthood instead". Good for you, take all the money you normally donate to SGK and give it to PP. That should be a lot of money!

I hope you will also pull all the money you give to organizations that are driven by left wing ideology too. Send all that to planned parenthood.

With all the money that PP is going to get, they should be able to give every person that wants an abortion one. (I guess they don't do that now?.?.) All those people that they turn away from getting a breast exam will now be able to get one. (I guess they turn away a lot of women looking for a breast exam?.?.)

Sawyer, I am not Cathlolic and am probably a very bad person to defend them...however...if the Catholic Church beleives that homosexual acts are a sin and will lead to hell (a view I disagree with but am no theologian) then placing a children in a homosexual home would equate to damning it to hell...you call it discrimination but to the Church they are protection the soul of a young person...and the job of the church as it sees it, is to save souls...advocating social policies which it believes will save the soul of humans is a religeous function even if the means of carrying out that function is political...would you suggest that since Planned Parenthood or the Red Cross lose their tax exempt status because they engage in politics to advane their agenda?

Lastly the Catholic Church and its charities feeds more poor, treats more sick and cares for more homeless than any non-governmental organization in the world...those who get the generousity of the church may bet a sermon...nothing is ever really free.

While Planned Parenthood certainly holds a needed place in society, I have to admit that they brought this upon themselves. All that is required is for them to seperate themselves into two distinct entities...one that provides abortion services...and one that does not. Among their supporters are many lawyers and accountants that would provide them (free of charge) all the assistance they require in order to make this transition...and then...problem over!

....unless of course...they are shifting funds as is claimed by those backing the investigation!

Hopefully, that is what EVERYONE will do who has any common sense at all. Their tactics only changed when this Sarah Palin crony became Komen's new CEO, and that, hopefully, will be the demise of Ms holier-than-thou. And killing of millions of future women, you are soggy-brained! This is not an abortion issue, quit dragging the red herring around by your soggy nose. IT IS ABOUT BREAST CANCER, MASTECTOMY, CHEMO, RADIATION, AND ALL THE PINK RIBBONED FRILLS THAT STANDS FOR.

really Cindy? Exactly what percent of PP business doing breast exams...your shorts are soggy with the load your selling

singe RE: post 2.1

I totally agree, for far to long these pollitcal movements have masqueraded as Religous organization's thus dodging taxes. It's way past time that they pay taxes just like everyone else........... Besides the extra tax revenue will help reduce the deficit.

Why does the Reichwing hate women?

I guess the discrimination against catholic charities placing babies has been effectively put to bed. Komen will be too. Who want's to give money to a charitable cause that risks the lives of women for political reasons? Lawrence O'Donnell noted last night that he had been a contributor, and characterized his reaction as, "shock." I can't see any other way to react to this. It's as bad as the Red Cross being involved in at least one investigation every 2 years. Shock.

These people can say, "it's my charity, I'll do what I want," but they have no charity without public support, just like a business has no business without a customer base.

They better re-think this, and fast.

right-wing bible thumpers = the American taliban....Hypocrisy at it's best in the republican party and right-winger organizations.....this is what's in store for you by voting republican in November....OBAMA/BIDEN 2012

More right-wing nuts. At least Safeway check-out clerks have stopped asking me to 'round up to the next dollar for breast cancer research.' Ha! What they meant was, contribute a few nickels to support these poor, downtrodden money-raisers who are struggling to get by on 300K!

reposted: FormerMarineSgt

Gee right wing nut jobs changing thier story and covering up thier lies.

who'd of thunk it? 236

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theCavalier, you make a good point...Koman would have no charity were it not for the support of donors...and while there are some on the left who donate to charity they are the minority and that is why Koman is confident that if every left winger who donates to them now sends their money directly to PP it simply wont be a significant drop. By the way that knowledge is also what has fueled the angry response from the left...Koman will no longer be diverting the contributions of right-wing christians to PP and PP will have a lot less money as a result.

I can't see any other way to react to this. It's as bad as the Red Cross being involved in at least one investigation every 2 years. Shock.

You mean like Planned Parenthood, where every year they are under surveillance for lying to people coming into the clinic and telling other underaged people to lie as well?

If Komen wants to stop giving money to Planned Parenthood then so be it. It's not like most of the PP clinics have mammogram machines anyway. I also find it strange that supposedly 14% of the money is on breast cancer screenings ( with no machines) and only 3% is done on abortions? Seems a little bit fishy to me! All Planned Parenthood would have to do is separate the two services, Abortions in one clinic and other services in another. But my impression is that they don't want to because they are actually funnelling more money towards abortions than are recorded!

So Soggy you seem to know everything about PP, are you also aware they also do general health care such as: anemia testing, cholesterol, diabetes, thyroid screening, flu vaccines, tetanus vaccines, high blood pressure screening, quit smoking, physical exams(including employment & sports), STD's , and yes mammograms. Sounds like to me your shorts are the Soggy ones, get informed before posting.

To say this is not political, then why is it that Karen Handel-VP, who main objective is to destroy PP, her own words, well its really sad when you can't even tell the truth about such a good cause or should I say was a good cause. Susan Koman must be very disappointed in all those who are in charge!

No longer a doner or a walker, my money is going to PP!!

great point laura! they definitely couldn't do all those things in a place that wasnt also an abortion clinic. thread 1 was silenced for being interesting! check it out if you dare lol!

Soggy.......it doesn't matter what percentage of PP's business was for breast exams. Komen's money wasn't used for abortions, so if they're against abortions, fine. their donations weren't earmarked for that portion of PP's business. they helped provide breast exams, and now they won't.

for Komen to pull funding for a very valid cause, while spending ridiculous amounts on lawsuits against people using the pink ribbon or the phrase "for the cure" is just shameful. is their job saving womens' lives, or copyright protection?

and just because a few women out there use the availability of abortion as an excuse to be irresponsible, doesn't mean there aren't many more valid reasons someone might decide to get an abortion, or even - gasp! - NEED one.

and as far as Christian adoption agencies getting funding pulled - they were accepting government funds while discriminating based on their religion. If they want to push their beliefs and discriminate, they can't do it with government funding, since federal law prohibits discrimination. They can't use their religion to discriminate against the rest of us.

Finally, as to this jackass senator that initiated the investigation......let me see, they want to determine if public funds were used for abortions. Well, abortions are legal and the federal government grants funding to PP. The feds can't then tell PP not to use that money for abortions, because they are LEGAL so there is no basis to refuse funding for them. So this is all smoke and mirrors anyways, designed to create controversy in an election year and stir up the ultra-conservatives.

I never took the time to research SBK and discover who they were sending funds to. Quite frankly I glad that the organization made public their funding receip(s]. No matter who you support, everyone should know where their money is going. Thanks SBK, I would rather my money be used to support life, and breast cancer patients deserve all the research money they can get. Let's be loving neighbors instead of bitter enemies. Many problems can be resolved that way.

Soggy-2602420: Sorry... PP has already had over $400,000 in the 24 hours after Komen's announcement, and an additional $250,000 pledge from Bloomberg. All that $650,000+ is actually MORE than Komen was giving PP. It's also $650,000+ dollars Komen didn't get, and the fact that they are now going to be discriminating against poor women by refusing to find PP's screenings is bad press. Even those that might have donated, and who don't donate to PP are going to be rethinking donations to Komen because of the political agenda. As for PP's services - abortions are only 17% of the services PP performs. Many PP offices don't even perform ANY abortion services. PP screens for Breast, Uterine, and Cervical cancers, venereal diseases, reproductive diseases, low cost birth control, and even services to men. Komen didn't have a problem with PP UNTIL Handel came on board. Why is that?

My grandfather once told me (in 1963) that the Cathoilic church was nothing but money hungry political action commitees that should be taxed at 50%. I now know what he meant. As for PP,although I am pro-life I will inform you that my wife has gotten her mammogram there for many years for free, not at a cost of up to thousands of $ going to a private medical facility.

Actually all this controversy was stirred up about a year ago and only recently came to light. The reason, undercover surveillance systems about PP action in underaged teens. If you ever watch the Rachel Maddow show then you would know they brought this up about a year ago.

It has nothing to do with an election year.

lol @650k, keep squawking and gloating lefties and the idiot christians will drop millions not just on komen but on anti PP groups as well

Jacqui @2.34. Same here. I never dreamed money I was giving to Komen was then going elsewhere. I don't like that, no matter what group it is. Just a lesson that we all need to be educated about which charities we support.

Maybe it's just me but using vacuum aspiration saws to carve up fetus' seems less than honorable... just sayin'

Jacqui, you DO realize that SGK spends only about 23 cents of every dollar on research, and spends more money on lawsuits going after people who have used "For the cure" in other cancer organizations advertising. Maybe you should look closer into what they are spending your money on. Do YOU have a problem with people who could have been saved from cancer but get it because they aren't properly screened because of lack of funds because they don't have insurance? Perhaps you'd prefer to pay for their disability payments while they are dying from breast cancer?

Unhappy,

PP doesn't seperate their services into different buildings ("one for abortions, one for mammograms") because that would make it easier for the religious whackos to bomb their sites and murder their doctors.

Sad but true.

dirt-303814: Komen doesn't have treatment centers - they only provide funding for screening and pay for lawyers to sue anyone who uses "For the cure" in their own cancer charity programs.

Mixman34: Withholding funds to do screenings for cancer because of someone's political views is even less honorable.

lol @agnomad, not at all true, abortion clinics are all over the US and sadly some have been bombed (something i completely disagree with on every level) but the amount bombed is minute in a country of over 300million people, to say that by separating the clinics would result in people bombing PP (mostly in inner cities, a real hotbed for rightwing extremism lol) just points more to your myopic self-righteousness than anything else, sad but true

It is sad to see so much hate here. When we start comparing our fellow Americans, our neighbors, to people like Hitler, how can we recover as a nation. Very few comments here actually focus on the article and that a group decided to stop sending donations to another group.

For those of you that donate to charities, consider how you would respond if you found out your donations were being used for something completely unrelated and possibly against what you believe? Would you ask for them to stop providing for this group?

I think most people have missed the point and jumped on the women's right band-wagon here. The point is that they pulled back funds, and everyone here is making assumptions. Grow up people and accept that not always are things political, and especially for the liberals here: stop immediately screaming bloody murder when you can somehow relate something to limiting a personal decision (right or wrong).

Mature people understand that every action has a consequence and plan accordingly, immature people just act as they want and expect others to fix their mistakes and keep voting for Obama because he just keeps giving money away to fix mistakes.

I'm sick of paying for ignorance and applaud this group for making a stand, I will continue to donate to them.

How does the left feel about Catholic Charities being banned from assisting adoptions because of their stance on various issues?

I really couldn't give a @!$%#.

kenn the dem - Yes physically separating out PP abortion providers and funding sources would resolve many issues. I think that PP is afraid to do this because one program will be overfunded and the other underfunded.

exactly, they'd have to own up to the fact that gov money didn't pay for the abortion, but it did build/buy the building, and hire the staff, buy the equipment, and retain the doctors, etc, its so obvious i think thats why many have such a big problem with PP, they dont like being lied to. you may have used private funds to pay for that 3% but you used gov fund (taxpayer dollars) to pay for the clinic they were carried out in.

This isn't a question of funding religious charities it is a question of assuring that women who do not have aqueduct insurance receive well women care. I know I was one of these women after I finished my graduate degree and my first job had limited insurance. I received an annual exam and birth control to assure my husband and I didn't have unwanted children when we couldn't afford it. Second the funding for the abortion side of Planned Parenthood has been separate since the Reagan years when they were threatened with all of their funding being cut. In Denver, there is only one PP facility that offers the service and it is separate from the rest. Think of you sister, your daughters, and even mother or grandmother and ask if they did not have the money would I want them to get the care they need from a reputable provider such as Planned Parenthood or die because this wasn't available. If the answer is yes then be upset with Komen if your answer is no then fund Komen. But remember all women deserve well women care in America.

Carlos ~O.o Catholic Charities is not banned from providing adoptions. Catholic Charities has decided not to provide adoptions.

Since when have we been able to dictate what a private organization can make their charitable contributions to? This is a private organization and they shoud be able to contribute to whom they want to.

People also have the right to make those charitable contributions to charities that have mission statements that they can agree with. I don't donate to charities that take my dollar and less then 80 cents of that dollar are going go to direct services. That's me every one is different

Did anyone stop to think that maybe Komen’s donations have gone down since they started supporting Planned Parenthood, so they opted out, knowing they would get more money? For those of you saying "they are not getting my money" there is another person saying "oh wow, NOW I will donate to Komen". When the majority of the country is Christian, they have not lost the majority of their donors through this action. In fact, they may have even increased their donor base. A foundation that has gotten this big based on donations probably knows what they are doing and knows where the donors are. I work for a non profit and we know where and who has the money.

Komen is still doing grants to help women get mammograms and cancer treatments, that SHOULD be the point. Women have more options other than Planned Parenthood to be screened, so how is this really hurting anyone?

Lysistrata, I've tooken your question into consideration. I was thinking ...about my grandmother, my great grandmother.......who was not even born in America..in fact, they were born in a poor 3rd world country. They were able to make it and they sacrificed a lot ...they only bought the necessities. They had 11 kids! When my mother and father came here, they did not have much ...they sacrificed a lot...they only bought the necessities. They were in the poor working class. They still have 4 kids in the US! I think it's all about money management and what is really important and necessary. My parents are lucky there was a Catholic hospital down in Houma, LA operated by some French nuns...and were able to get free medical care...two of us kids were born in there. Also, just a tip, medical bills can be negotiated and there's hospitals that provide financial. There's more out help out there than what others think. PP is just not the way or the ONLY way.

@blondeness because its really about abortion, on both sides, the right wants to defund PP cause they give abortions, so they exaggerate the degree to which they do it, the left wants to keep PP funded because PP is huge pro-abortion lobby, that creates a physical place all over America where abortions will always be funded and guaranteed even if its not mostly what they do, (even if they were made illegal) its a place where they will always do it, no matter what, so the left pretends that PP isnt about abortion, and instead about womens' health services (a lie for the greater good) but they get their pitchforks and start screeching when anyone touches its funding, claiming its about women's services, which those same people never do anything to defend, fund or protect in a context other than PP (abortion)

People... SGK has recently granted $7+ MILLION dollars to Penn State, which IS UNDER INVESTIGATION for allowing a pedophile to operate on campus, with awareness at several levels of leadership and authority. Hmmm, child rape and abuse is ILLEGAL while abortion is LEGAL... so why is SGK funding Penn State?

Also, if you believe abortion is wrong, don't get one. And don't tell me that you shouldn't have to see your tax dollars go to fund something that is against your beliefs, unless you are going to just as energetically support my ability to prevent my tax money from going toward the purchase of weapons for killing human beings ("thou shalt not kill" didn't come with an asterisk or fine print, folks) and for waging war.

I will support your ability to dictate the uses of your tax dollars as soon as you support the same ability for me.

In the meantime, you are only pro-BIRTH, not pro-LIFE, if you bitch and moan and resent your tax dollars being spent on the feeding, housing, clothing, education and healthcare for those children who were born to individuals not fiscally and emotionally prepared to raise and care for them. Oh, and I hope you realize that for every aborted fetus that you are so willing to gnash your teeth over, there is probably at least one unwanted child who is neglected, beaten, cut, molested, sold, burned and otherwise abused. Quite possibly, if advised of their options while still in the womb and given the choice themselves, might just have opted to be aborted and saved months or years of pain, suffering and abuse.

lol @ you thinking kids would choose to be aborted as for the penn state thing i dont think sgk was funding pedophilia, im pretty sure the money was going to cancer researchers at the university who unlike the people at PP actually do work on curing cancer

singe

"Let's get to the big issue---all sorts of religious groups in this country are more and more active in partisan politics. It is time to do away with the tax exemption of these organizations and then they can act out whatever political positions they have without any interference."

Let's do it. Get rid of all deductions for religion and everyone else. Get rid of all government sponsored welfare that replaced religious welfare. Get rid of all forms of welfare. Of course that is not what you want. You just brought up religion when it wasn't a part of the discussion.

However, I do believe that all forms of welfare should be ended, except by those who donate out of the goodness of their heart. Not the government mandated hypocritical prejudice kind which steel from one, thru taxes, to support another, mostly because another doesn't want to earn his (or her in most cases) way. You all know who they are but want to look the other way.

The Komen org brought in 271 million last year and has done more to fight cancer than any leftist organization ever. That it cut off 600k to a questionable health care org means nothing. Most of those complaining probably never donated a dime to either. Those who did, if you have a big problem with charities choosing who and who not to support, then pick up the slack on your own. No one is stopping you.

I used to support United Way until I found out who they were supporting. I will never give them another dime. AARP keeps wanting me to join. They are not a charity but they try to pretend they are. They are an insurance company soaking anyone dumb enough to pay while being behind anti-American politics. But of course some like that.

Disgrace of the Komen legacy:

I have read outstanding points in so many post above and below written my mostly it seems to me by women that are as outraged if not more at this political ceo hack imposing her cultural war ethos into pure health issues for all women. I only speak as a father and grand father of young daughters that this withdrawal of support on the grounds so stated are specious at my most generous this ceo is as phony as her incredulous statements. No regard for the lives of so many women of all ages unbelievable. Where is the Komen family?

Only a brand name now, the Komen Foundation the hell with them, now another front group taken over by the 1% and the Evangelical maniacs, these zealous enthusiast's pushing ever pushing their religulous anti freedom and liberty agenda and imposing their American Sharia laws on the populace. A sad day to see for me very sad to see.

@ POST #2.59 - These anti-Christan ethics as put so bluntly in post #2.59 this is no Christian and spouts the Fascist doctrine of dog eat dog survival of the most fit and it is this type of individual that we can easily dispense with go your way don't look back and never say you were a countryman of mine.

Under investigation??? Really??? This is one right-wing congressmen making accusations. He needs to present his evidence and call for a congressional hearing, or give it up. With the set up we currently have, that being money is politics, Komen and Congress have a vested interest in each other. You know, I'll scratch your back, you scratch mine, and all that.

Right-wing congressman has to pander to fundementalists, Komen needs tax breaks and influences in the legislature, Komen pulls funds from PP in support of congressman, who than looks like a good, Christian Soldier to conservatives. Really, it's so freaking clear it's pathetic.

Furthermore, a woman's bodies and what she chooses to do with it, is her business. Until you can scientifically prove when a human life begins or until someone FORCES you to have an abortion, you have no legal basis to make a stink. And, by the way, none of the following will ever be considered as evidence... The Bible, your morals, your beliefs, God's word, Jesus's word, yada, yada, yada, you get it. You're more than entitled to your beliefs and religion, you are not entitled to my body. And, gentlemen, it is incredibly patranizing to say things like, "Well this is for a women's protection" or anything else similar to that. No, it's not, leave our medical choices to us please.

Continuing, Komen gets tax breaks and has influence in our legislature, ergo, they're is nothing wrong with Senate oversight. No one's telling them what to do with their money, they are telling them, "This looks suspicous and we're watching you." It's incredible that people scream about poor people and "illegals" eating up our tax dollars, but Komen, whom I'm sure gets uber tax cuts, doesn't even need oversight??? That makes no sense.

Finally...

THE HYDE AMENDMENT RESTRICTS TAX PAYER MONEY FROM BEING USED ON ABORTIONS.

Since the collapse cowards hit post # 1:

Don't let the self righteous hate of the conservative right allow another woman to die from breast cancer.

Cut up your pink ribbons, your pink ribbon magnets, and your pink ribbon pins and send them in to Suzanne G. Komen Foundation with a note indicating you no longer support this organization.

Support breast cancer screening at Planned Parenthood, they have a seperate fund for that, go to plannedparenthoodl.org to find out where to send your donations.

i have breast cancer- just 2 weeks left to go with treatment. astra zeneca 'owns' the phrase breast cancer awareness month' sgk 'own's race for the cure, $$ for 'live strong' (lance armstrongs org) goes to 'promotion' not cancer research.

follow the $$

they were not funding peds but Penn is under investigation. So the criteria which komen decided which to defund grants was a pick and choose. That has bias.

not at all, PP is a highly controversial and very political organization that does literally 0 cancer research, penn state is a university that does much cancer research, the controversy around penn has to do with a pedo assisant coach who molested kids and then a few people in the sports dept. and maybe officials (not sure who but i hope they get them all) covered it up. it has nothing to do with the scientists researching cancer in labs that happen to be affiliated with a college that covered up a sex scandal, your analogy would only be accurate if pedophilia was one of penn's stated missions or agendas, rather than an aberration carried out by a few individuals acting on their own for their own selfish interests contrary to the best interests of the college

the grant was not about cancer research but about cancer detection in the case of PP. since only 17% of donations go to cancer research from Komen kind of a straw man argument since no other grants were removed from grantees. However I do see your point with with Penn State.

not really a straw man argument, 17% of a very large amount of money is still more than the 0 dollars that go towards cancer research at PP, my point is that komen shouldnt be forced to give their money to a highly political organization that does no cancer research instead of giving it to people who actually are working on a cure, the gov funds PP, komen shouldnt have to, id rather see their dollars go towards actually curing cancer than to a questionable organization like PP, even if PP does refer people to doctors for mammograms.

Then you would be find for cutting off all grants that don't go to cancer research? Many places that receive grants spend 0 dollars on cancer research ...why because they are set up to do other things, just like PP. Nobody is forcing Komen to do anything. Komen reversed the decision... why? My guess is because they made the decision with bias and if pressed it would have shown to be true. Though they are well with in their rights to change the criteria to fund grants to exclude only PP. They also must deal with the fact that it has possible legal and public image repercussions. My guess is with the about face, that the decision to cut PP grant was loud and strong PR repercussions. Just because you can do something does not always mean you should.

sigh, where to begin, first what are these many places that get grants but dont do research? second, nobody is forcing komen to do anything? are you serious? do you really think they reversed the decision because they sat down and thought about and of course had to come to the decision that you are right? really? thats ridiculous, its because you and a million other harpies like you screamed bloody murder because someone took money away from your precious shrine to abortion. 3rd they didnt amend their criteria specifically to exclude PP, they simply acted in accordance with their rule that says they cant donate to an organization under investigation, and before you bust out the moronic penn state argument again, penn state's cancer researchers are completely separate from the any part of the university which is under investigation, unlike PP which is under investigation as a whole. the problem many people have with PP is that its useful services serve as a shield for its main purpose, i.e. maintaining a physical place where abortions will always be available on demand, as a stopgap against those on the right who might someday try to make abortion illegal with the swipe of a pen, we all know that technically gov dollars dont go towards the abortion procedure itself, but they do buy/rent the building, staff it, buy the equipment, retain the doctors, etc, without those government dollars the small fee for the abortion would not sustain PP, and thats what this is all about. people like you are fully aware of this fact, but you'll deny it to your last breath because you and PP feel that its better to lie and deceive then allow the right to make so much as an inch of progress on this issue. you think their desire to take away a women's god given, fundamental, natural, elemental right is so vile and evil that if PP lies and cheats that doesnt bother you so much

Sigh I guess I just thought since only 17% of the donations that Komen receive actual go towards Cancer research. That they are granting money else where and not just to PP for other services related to cancer.... my bad. Which leaves 83% of donations being eating up in admin costs ...if that not a reason to donate I don't know what is. Again in no way was that money used for abortions it was used to help people be screened for breast cancer. In no way was Komen force they had ever right to continue with there decision and respect only your voice in the choice not to.

I already told you I agreed with your point about Penn state makes senses. Most PP don't actually perform the abortions on site , but refer to a hospital. 97 percent of other services that help women including preventing more abortions. I don't agree with abortion and will never choose it for myself and have even gone and prayed outside clinics( not the ugly poster kind but the peaceful kind). but it is a decision not up to me to make nor should it be up to you, for someone else life. There is no law forcing abortions nobody coming in to your home telling you have to have one done, which by the way I would also "harpy" against. We live in a diverse nation and some don't see life starting at the moment of conception considering a third to half of all pregnancies are miscarried. Some people don't believe in God why should they have to be constrained by your notions. Some people believe life starts at conception, some believe life start as soon as the baby is viable out side the womb, some people believe life starts at birth. You walk your path in accordance with your beliefs, let others do the same.

How many children are currently on a wait list to be adopted in America alone?

by the way you never answered why you think "liberals" are the only ones who want to know where 25% of the defense budget walked off too. I would think that is a issue that affect everyone not just "liberals".

i agree no more support for komen. plant peranthood provides so much more than abortions and yet that is the only thing these idiots will focus on. very sad. yet none of them line up to help support all those kids once they are born.

Nobody has interfered with the "right" to control their own body. Rather who pays for your "r5ights."

And even more accurately, how much you pay for your right...

@ crushedu...abortions ARE NOT subsidized. It is illegal to fund abortions with federal money and PP does not do this. Funding from different sources for different purposes are carefully kept separate. PP uses Federal dollars to educate, provide cancer screenings, perform well-woman exams, provide birth control...all kinds of things other than abortions. Some offices do provide abortion services but most do not. They probably help young women AVOID many more unwanted preganacies that they help abort. But whatever the case, they educate and allow young women the right to make an informed decision about what is best for THEM to do. The right to an abortion is still LEGAL in this country. If they don't like it they should do whatever the can to change the law. Until that happens abortion is still legal and must be upheld.

My point: If you don't believe in abortion don't have one!!

crushedu:

Go tell the Catholic Church about condoms. They're still against those.

alex: yes, we must not forget (from Monty Python's The Meaning of Life) : all together now.......

There are Jews in the world.
There are Buddhists.
There are Hindus and Mormons, and then
There are those that follow Mohammed, but
I've never been one of them.

I'm a Roman Catholic,
And have been since before I was born,
And the one thing they say about Catholics is:
They'll take you as soon as you're warm.

You don't have to be a six-footer.
You don't have to have a great brain.
You don't have to have any clothes on. You're
A Catholic the moment Dad came,

Because

Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.

CHILDREN:
Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.

GIRL:
Let the heathen spill theirs
On the dusty ground.
God shall make them pay for
Each sperm that can't be found.

CHILDREN:
Every sperm is wanted.
Every sperm is good.
Every sperm is needed
In your neighbourhood.

MUM:
Hindu, Taoist, Mormon,
Spill theirs just anywhere,
But God loves those who treat their
Semen with more care.

MEN:
Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
WOMEN:
If a sperm is wasted,...
CHILDREN:
...God get quite irate.

PRIEST:
Every sperm is sacred.
BRIDE and GROOM:
Every sperm is good.
NANNIES:
Every sperm is needed...
CARDINALS:
...In your neighbourhood!

CHILDREN:
Every sperm is useful.
Every sperm is fine.
FUNERAL CORTEGE:
God needs everybody's.
MOURNER #1:
Mine!
MOURNER #2:
And mine!
CORPSE:
And mine!

NUN:
Let the Pagan spill theirs
O'er mountain, hill, and plain.
HOLY STATUES:
God shall strike them down for
Each sperm that's spilt in vain.

EVERYONE:
Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is good.
Every sperm is needed
In your neighbourhood.

Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite iraaaaaate!

I don't see the problem. The Catholic church can have whatever adoption standards they want. If you are a birthparent or an adoptive parent and disagree with their criteria, then go to another adoption agency. The federal government shouldn't be funding a religious organization any more than they should be taxing it. Religious organizations and government often have different agendas, and should not be pushing for an advantage by trying to force the other to pay for it. That's the concept behind separation of church and state: to keep the church from controlling the state, and vice versa. It gets real old hearing anti-religious groups push for "taxing churches," to force them to contribute to the very system that opposes them. Well isn't that just a clever little power play! Whatever happened to live and let live? By the same token, churches shouldn't be sticking their hands in the cookie jar for their funding, if they don't want to answer to that particular funding source.

The advantage of churches (except maybe the Catholic one) is that they can operate on a small community scale, addressing specific needs as they arise and dropping them as they become unnecessary or abused. And they are accountable to their donors, who typically donate to each specific cause, and know where their funds are going. Unlike taxes, in which a lump sum is extracted and used at politicians' discretion, with taxpayers only influencing spending through occasional votes for like-minded representatives or expensive lobbying. The role of charity is much more efficiently executed through private organizations (religious or not) at the community level.

dirp101, thank you for giving me my laugh for the afternoon!

Soggy - no "choice" means I don't stick my nose in your business and you stay out of mine. I am perfectly capable of deciding what is best for my body. I really don't give a damn what you do with yours. Get it? That's choice!

Planned Parenthood continues to get federal funding: about $360 million in 2009, the last year for which statistics are available.

Soggy - no "choice" means I don't stick my nose in your business and you stay out of mine. I am perfectly capable of deciding what is best for my body. I really don't give a damn what you do with yours. Get it? That's choice!

It is sticking your nose in others' business if you ask them to pay for it. Especially when voluntary donations aren't enough, and you go lobby to have the funds extracted from unwilling taxpayers. This article is about FUNDING, not legalization.

My former father in law was a minister (luthern) and guess what I found out when I married his kid??? CHURCH'S PAY TAXES...oh yes they do, there are exemptions, but OH my yes, churches pay taxes...ALL OF THEM....

Seekingsanity, it is my businesss what you do with your body, ummmm.....healthcare costs and that includes all of us with our insurance premiums!

singe and sabine - who is threatening you to contribute or not?

Anyone who thinks tax dollars don't go to providing abortions at Planned Parenthood is an absolute mor0n. Planned Parenthood uses tax money for their infrastructure to provide services...clinics, equipment, staff, etc...without which they would not have the abilty to provide abortions in the first place. It's a con...a shell game...at best and those dumb enough to be duped into believing it should make an appt for an MRI to check if there's anything between their ears but air.

The "right wing witch hunt" investigation is nothing more than a call for an audit...that Planned Parenthood open their books to Congress to prove they are not using the billions of dollars granted to them in violation of the law. If we'd given a billion dollars to ANY charity over the last 3 years and not expected them to operate within the parameters of the law, it would be extremely negligent...why should Planned Parenthood be immune from transparency???

Why was dirp's post collapsed? It is one of the funniest posts I have ever read. My word people, get a sense of humor.

Being banned? The Catholic church does all the "banning" it needs to on it's own! Forget their disagreement with homosexuals adopting, they have just passed laws in some Catholic "Bible Belt" states that allow adoption agencies to to discriminate against religion and political affiliation!? Give me a break, the overreach on this issue is out of hand. Only right wing extremists would murder abortion doctors in the name of JC and ban gay adoption just so they can keep children alive and homeless. I say if you are against abortion then a portion of your income should go to paying for adoption agencies and foster care because I don't and shouldn't have to pay for your ignorance!

God, what's next? Making birth control illegal? Oh wait, my bad... you guys are already on top of that!

THETRUTHBETOLD, You're totally wrong. It is absolutely none of your or anybody elses business what another does with their body. No one is forcing you to buy insurance (yet) so if you don't like your insurance premiums lumped together with mine and everybody else who buys insurance paying for something, drop your insurance. Oh wait, you don't want to do that because if you do something with your body we might not approve of our insurance premiums wouldn't go to cover you. How hypocritical of you and those who are like minded.

As far as abortion goes, I'm a man and will never have to decide if I want or need one so that's not a decision I can make for someone else. If getting and abortion is wrong in God's eyes, then that would be a decision an individual would have to make between themselves and God which is another place I or nobody else has a right to interfere.

SGK can support or not support whatever they want, it's their right, but their donations will be effected by the choice they make and it is their choice alone to make. That being said, outcry from their donors and the public can sway their decision.

Politically speaking, both parties are all about control of the masses. One says you are free to do as you please, as long as we approve. The other says you will like and accept everybody no matter whether their lifestyle or behavior goes against what you as an individual believe. Both are wrong.

What we need IMHO is smaller government with less control over the most private aspects of an individuals life. The proper role of government is to ensure that every individuals rights are protected, period. Not to attempt to protect us from ourselves, which they will never achieve, but would harass and jail thousands in their attempts.

The true meaning of freedom is the ability of each and every individual to live their life however they please, whether anyone else agrees with them or not, so long as they do not infringe on another individuals right to do the same. Freedom is not freedom if it is stated that you are free to do as you please as long as someone else approves.

Free mammograms are part of Planned Parenthood's services. Is there a better way to fight breast cancer?

What is short sighted is that Planned Parenthood is about providing women basic healthcare and also contraception....which will avoid pregnancies.... The short sightedness is the focus on the tiny portion of their organization which provides abortion care.

The only thing that's "tiny" is the minds of those who expect the rest of us to share their fundamentalist definition of life.

Komen doesn't fight breast cancer. Komen raises money, much of which it spends promoting itself, attacking others who are fighting breast cancer, or imposing political agendas.

Bull@!$%#. i am a happily married man and donate to Susdan komen. Never again. I believe breast cancer is a female and MALE issue. I also believe a woman has the right to choose what to do with her own body. I will never donate to Komen again.

Only 3% of PP's funding goes towards abortion services.

97% of PP has nothing to do with abortion service.

97%.

Yet Komen saw fit to fabricate an excuse to withhold grants to PP because of the 3%.

Myopia in action.

Right-wing reactionary myopia.

You are even more ignorant than you appear at first glance if you believe that "liberal morons" are the only ones having abortions. Idiot.

The hilarious thing about the right is that they become such idealogues on certain issues that they completely lose sight of reality.

Reality:

-Whether abortion is legal or not, a certain number of women will try to abort unwanted pregnancies. Prohibition on abortions would result in botched abortions disfiguring or killing the child and/ or the mother.

-Women dealing with sexual abuse may not want to admit to being violated for private reasons when aborting the resulting pregnancy.

-Planned Parenthoods contraceptive services prevents an estimated 600,000 pregnancies annually and it is estimated that nearly half of those pregnancies would have been aborted.

Planned Parent Hood is a great public service that the Right has mobilized against to mobilize their base. Its disgusting that they would attack this group to get people into voting booths...

Uh... abortions always result in the killing of the child, that's sort of the point.

If you have read Planned Parenthood's 990 filings, their stated goal is population control. Not trying to help women, population control. You can go look at the 990 filings yourself if you want. But I'll paste from it here since you probably won't:

THE PURPOSE OF THE FEDERATION IS:
(A) TO PROVIDE LEADERSHIP:
- IN MAKING EFFECTIVE MEANS OF VOLUNTARY FERTILITY REGULATION, INCLUDING CONTRACEPTION, ABORTION, STERILIZATION, AND INFERTILITY SERVICES, AVAILABLE AND FULLY ACCESSIBLE TO ALL AS A CENTRAL ELEMENT TO REPRODUCTIVE HEALTHCARE:
- IN ACHIEVING, THROUGH INFORMED INDIVIDUAL CHOICE, A U.S. POPULATION OF STABLE SIZE IN AN OPTIMUM ENVIRONMENT
- IN STIMULATING AND SPONSORING RELEVANT BIOMEDICAL, SOCIO-ECONOMIC, AND DEMOGRAPHIC RESEARCH;
- IN DEVELOPING APPROPRIATE INFORMATION, EDUCATION, AND TRAINING PROGRAMS.
(B) TO SUPPORT AND ASSIST EFFORTS TO ACHIEVE SIMILAR GOALS IN THE UNITED STATES AND THROUGHOUT THE WORLD.

Note that helping women acquire health care is not in there anywhere.

WaltDis - agree with you 100%, but I want to clarify one thing. It is my understanding that only 3% of services provided by PP are abortions, but 0% of thier funding goes toward them. I believe that abortions are paid for 100% by the recepient. As you said, 97% of their services are other women's and family services that may or may not besubsidized. PP saves so many lives and is a very worthy orgazination!

The stupidity of the right wing posts on this site is unbelievable. Planned Parenthood provides a variety of services to women that are critical for their health. (Covet - convenient how you failed to include most of them in your bigoted post). Abortion counseling accounts for 3% of that. And, no one is pro-abortion. People are pro-choice. Many of us realize we do not have the right to make decisions regarding another woman's reproductive rights for her. The stupidity of the right is totally over the top. Apparently inbreeding is rampant in the GOP!

Is there a better way to fight breast cancer?

Yep, its called RESEARCH and Komen funds it.

Seeking Sanity,

Many of us realize we do not have the right to make decisions regarding another woman's reproductive rights for her.

How about this, if she didn't want to get pregnant why does she have sex? If she does have sex, why does she not use protection? Bringing up Woman's rights confuses the issue, and reduces the need to educate young woman and men on the importance of protected sex.

Brinker's most recent "explanation" for terminating funding of Planned Parenthood is disengenuous and reeks of public relations damage control!! Never again will I support, work for, or contribute to Komen or its affiliates. All of my future support will go to Planned Parenthood, which appears to me to be one of the most honest, direct and apolitical organizations worthy of public support. The "Ambassador" has over stayed her welcome and in one ill conceived action destroyed a substantial amount of public support. Too bad a worthy cause has to be burdened with a political hack as a "leader"!!

Nothing says pro-life like "I hate breasts."

DaBears: Bringing up Woman's rights confuses the issue, and reduces the need to educate young woman and men on the importance of protected sex.

What?! This is EXACTLY what Planned Parenhood does! Educate young women and men! And a woman's decisions about her body ARE her rights!

Yes, Komen supports research .... but it is a relatively small portion of what they make each year that actually goes to research - not a majority or even close to half of their profits go to research.

True, if women don't want to get pregnant they shouldn't get pregnant - but gee, places like planned parenthood help provide education and birth control to help with that since schools can't teach about it anymore.

Komen doesn't need to support abortions, but pulling funding for breast cancer screening isn't going to help save any lives. Where will that money go now? To file more lawsuits against small groups who attempt to use the "for a cure" phrase?

It is all about money and control - not about finding the actual cure and most effective treatments.

I think using the terms right wing nut job or religious fanatic sort of minimalizes part of the point many (not all) are trying to make, which is, that many of us believe that life - indeed ALL LIFE - is a gift from God. And so we believe that we do not have a right to abort that life no matter how much more convenient it makes our life. Our life isn't supposed to be easy - regard the cross of Christ as a reminder of that.

DaBears.. so if you get into a car accident should I leave you on the side of the road. Since you decided to get in the car, you could have walked, stayed home whatever.. There are a number reasons to have an abortion.. the point is that if a woman decides (choice) to have an abortion or just wants to know more about it; then she should be able to do so as safely as possible.

And to the folks that are trying to characterize abortion as murder. thats a stretch to me.. how do you feel about the death penalty, war, deadly force? Where is your pro-life mumbo jumbo then..

And to all your fake Christians, God is pro-choice. I don't believe God forces us to believe in him. That is our......wait for it ........wait for it........choice!

"I think using the terms right wing nut job or religious fanatic sort of minimalizes part of the point many (not all) are trying to make, which is, that many of us believe that life - indeed ALL LIFE - is a gift from God. And so we believe that we do not have a right to abort that life no matter how much more convenient it makes our life. Our life isn't supposed to be easy - regard the cross of Christ as a reminder of that."

Maybe you shouldn't be undermining your cause by cheering on wars with the middle east. If I had a dollar for every "pro-lifer" that was a gung-ho war cheerleader I'd have at least as much money as Gingrich.

Tom wrote:

I also believe a woman has the right to choose what to do with her own body.

Do you believe that a woman has the right to shoot heroin?

DarnThat Dream - post 4.24... I wouldn't promote it for anyone, but it is still their choice.

Darnthatdream- Abortion is legal, Heroine isnt, anything else.

AdSol - I think calling names and using insults like libtard and liberal thug as well as right wing nut job and religious fanatic all work against having a civil discussion.

However, if you believe that "...we do not have a right to abort that life no matter how much more convenient it makes our life. Our life isn't supposed to be easy - regard the cross of Christ as a reminder of that," that's fine for you and you are free to choose NOT to have an abortion should the question ever arise. But not everyone shares your belief, and I question why you and so many others think it is okay to impose a personal belief on those who do not share it.

american, I agree but I still wonder whether Tom is consistent on this. Maybe he is. Certainly I hope so.

Drew, sorry for the late response.

Rights exist whether governments honor them or not. So, given that you claim to support a woman's right to control her own body, do you support a woman's right to shoot heroin? I do.

They can donate to whom ever they choose. I just won't be supporting them in the future.

northlite-Calling me a liar, vile, ignorant, a Nazi, a Fascist and self-righteous really shows your true colors. If name calling is all you have then you can keep it. If you want to have a real conversation and exchange ideas then you'll need to leave the Democrat party. Thanks for spewing your nonsense.

The "left" is using the same right and freedom to donate to who they choose... it just won't be Komen anymore. Of course those who donate to a charity can try to influence what that charity does with its money! While protecting the "freedom" of Komen to donate to whomever, your statement at the same time denigrates the freedoms of those who donate to Komen. It's a lose-lose argument you're making, but I suspect you know that.

The left has done no such thing! Komen has decided to redirect their funds, and in response the left has decided to also redirect their funds. What is the problem?

How dare the left step in? How do you think this got started in the first place, Mr. Lack of Perception? The right stepped in--the morality police and christian crazies, a bunch of middle-aged white people who INSIST that poor African Women have babies they don't want and can't properly care for. Disgusting, short-sighted, hypocritical people who need to worry about themselves and STOP MEDDLING in everyone else's life.

I haven't read anyone who is telling them what they can and can't do with their money. What I do hear is a lot of people who say they will not give Komen any money, or support their activities anymore.

You hired a new VP and got her politics. Good luck with your Charity. You've just lost about 60% of your potential donors.

This is not a left/right issue. Women on the right get abortions, too, and you are fooling yourself if you think otherwise.

Lukewarm,

Liberals are perfectly willing to let Kohmen decide how to spend its money. We're just saying that our money will henceforth no longer become their money. How dare the right step in and tell liberals how to spend our money?

Cal USA, so why tell everybody about it? Just do it quietly and let the chips fall where they may. Calling out your intentions is just a call to action for what you want. Get with it!

They do have the right to donate their money in any way they choose. So do I, and it won't go for any pink ribbons next year. I work for a government agency and every year the fundraiser for this particular charity is one of our largest. I won't be participating when it happens this year.

And, how about now the President has said that religious organizations MUST include contraception, abortions, etc in their employee health insurance package. You people who are beating up on Komen for being "political" don't think Obama made a "political" move with this piece of crap. WHAT HAPPENED TO FREEDOM OF RELIGION, Obama"?

Because the can not control where the donations go . The majority of the left is some of the biggest crooks on earth. The want not only to control all things, they also want to controlo all money. And those on the left who are tryuly working for the people have to wear the disgrace for their party. This also goes for the right side also. Some of them have not really worked for the people, they ave worked for themselves. How do we stop it? We stop it by all Americans working to together to clean out those who are bringing shame and the collapse of this great country. Get out and vote, but check on all you are voting for. Time to end this party thing and vote for who will do the most ofr the country and reclaiming our Constitutional rights. Otherwise, just don't complain. But then your grandchildren may not like you as much when they find you are part of the cause for the huge debt they are left to pay.

bad bob..where do you get that 60% from? My understanding is that the majority of Americans are Christian. Now, if people want to state that it's Christians doing this, I would think Komen's donations will now go up....Christians and wealthy churches, such as the Catholic church, will be supporting them. I work for a non profit and I will bet my next paycheck that Komen knows exactly what they are doing and where their big donations are coming from. You would be surprised what info can be obtained about you and what non profits have access to. They base many of their donation marketing decisions on the info they can have access to. The non profit I work for uses a company called Kintera.com for this info. It is absolutely incredible what personal financial information we have access to ACROSS THE NATION from this company. If the small, insignificant, non profit I work for has access to this info, imagine what Komen has access to. They know what they are doing and the little threats on this message board of "I am not giving to them any longer" will not make them change their position.

And of course, PP will now get new donors based on what Komen is doing; so I doubt that they will suffer due to this decision. If nothing else, they are getting lots of free publicity from this and they certainly have their own database of the personal wealth of US citizens that they will be able to market their needs to. This all a bunch of media tripe.

Just because he's biased doesn't mean he's wrong about the misappropriations of funds. Why would Komen continue to give PP money when they're being investigated for misappropriating money? That would be crazy.

First, because the investigation is not bipartisan, and therefore doesn't have any credibility whatsoever until it is. Second, because they're continuing their association with many other entities that are under investigation, including some of their biggest donors. If the impression of impropriety is of concern, then they must necessarily cut of all contact with all those under investigation - especially those under bipartisan or administrative investigation.

So true Impatient Girl. If it weren't tied to politics, the decision to stop providing funds to an organization that is under investigation would be considered the right thing to do. Doesn't matter whether it is a legitimate investigation or a frivolous witch hunt. Until proven a witch hunt, the right thing to do is suspend funding. However, this is politics and concepts like logic, morals, or facts aren't welcome.

WaltDis, how are those other organizations being investigated. The only thing questionable about what Komen did was the timing of their decision to enact the rule of not funding organizations under investigation. Now, it would also be interesting to see how "under investigation" was defined. They could very well run out of organizations to help fund if they weren't bright enough to take the time and clearly define scenarios.

@zoroaster I'll go out on a limb and say that when the investigation is concluded, there will be no charges or conclusions of impropriety on the part of Planned Parenthood. Nevertheless, PP will be slandered and their reputation will be denigrated, which is the whole point anyway. And when all is said and done, Komen will not resume funding to PP. Also the point.

The process worked so well with ACORN that the right is now extending it to Planned Parenthood. First you make allegations, back them up with manufactured evidence, or sometimes with just claims that are "not intended to be a statement of facts", and voila, you've buried another liberal organization.

WaltDis, how are those other organizations being investigated

I don't know, but I do know that Penn State, another Komen grant recipient, is being investigated by the federal government. Komen is apparently trying to re-craft their policy change now, since it appears that their first (or was it their second) statement about why they pulled funding from PP would also apply to Penn State.

@impatient girl If I read your comment correctly, an allegation of wrongdoing is grounds enough to withdraw funding? Should an employee be fired if they are simply accused of doing something wrong? Waiting until the facts are determined would not be appropriate? I'll bet you're not a big fan of the "innocent until proven guilty" concept. Too complicated and messy,eh?

You are absolutely right - and pro-womens-health advocates have the right to not send money to Komen - who pay entirely too much in administrative costs. Cut out the middle man and give to the charity of your choice.

It is their right to cut off Planned Parenthood and it is the right of those who oppose what they are doing to stop sending them money, to advocate for other people to stop and to advocate for money to be sent to organizations that they feel do a better job of offering services to women. This is how the cookie crumbles, you make new friends with the right wing, the left moves on to another way of accomplishing their agenda.

Actually that is not so. PP provides services that would prevent pregnancies and also provide basic health care for women who would not have access to any.

hey Amos, you're a dope when you write, "There we have these crazed, pro-abortion feminists running around crying foul play. It's not their money and maybe a few lives will be saved when Planned Parenthood doesn't have enough money for their evil deeds. I hope so."

Crazed? Pro-abortion? What misogynistic cave did you crawl out from? No one is "pro-abortion", what people are is pro-choice!

And as far a a few lives being saved, I don't think so, in fact more lives will be lost due to women have less access to breast exams - the very thing that Susan Komen Foundation is trying to prevent. This decision is a political decision that will result in more poor women dying from breast cancer due to lack of access to affordable breast exams. Shame on Susan Komen! Shame on you, Amos!

Amos, Komen is not using its funding to "prevent and cure cancer". Komen uses its funds to educate concerning breast cancer. No funds are used for cancer research. High executive salaries and lawsuits against small charities cost large amounts of resources.

Evil deeds? Planned Parenthood saved my life a year ago. I was a senior in college with health insurance that did not cover the colospy test in order to determine if my irregular cervical cells were cancerous. I was able to pay what I could afford (which was not a lot) and they were able to do the necessary testing. And guess what? I did have cancerous cells! If it was not for planned parenthood, I would not have been able to get the healthcare I needed, and who knows where I would be today?

To say planned parenthood is evil because a small percentage of their funding goes towards abortions is insane! I do not personally believe in abortions but I am pro-choice. No organization or government should be able to dictate what healthcare women get!

When people donate to foundations, they direct to which fund they would like their donation to support, so the money is not Komens to do what they want, they must follow the will of their donors. If not the audit will determine if funds were as directed per their donors.

What a fantasy. Your "crazed pro abortion feminists" must help you believe that only nasty dirty liberals have abortions. You couldn't be more wrong. And Planned Parenthood is not an abortion mill. Most of their services are related to preventing an abortion and tending to other women's health issues.

@ Breezer200...sorry I'm late with this comment but I had to correct you on something. You said:

Komen is not using its funding to "prevent and cure cancer". Komen uses its funds to educate concerning breast cancer. No funds are used for cancer research.

This is absolutely NOT true. I work in a large cancer research hospital. We get quite a HUGE amount of funding for breast cancer research from Komen. It is used to research causes and cures of breast cancer. Please, whatever your opinion is, do not mis-state things like this. Hopefully this was said in ignorance and not on purpose.

Pro-choice is letting people decide for themselves without government interference. I don't need some douchebag like Santorum telling me that the pregnancy as a result of my rape is a "gift" nor do I need self-righteous people like you to do that either.

It sounds more like Koman is the criminal enterprise now. Since now they stopped funding an organization that protects woman's health.

If you are a male commenting on this issue - you have no relevance.

an ongoing criminal enterprise

Abortion is still legal buddy.

Get a life, pal--stop worrying about how other people lead their lives.

Ha ha ha. You believe this guy!? I think we all know how he likes his coffee --> BITTER.

Personally I think that men should have no say in a woman's reproductive choices or what may or may not affect her health or the decisions surrounding it. Men contribute one cell to a baby and many then walk away, big deal. I doubt men would allow such control by women.
Woman have suffered for centuries as a result of men wanting to control the genetics of babies. And it is all about male ego and pride and money. Bloodlines and power and inheritance.
Historically, it is men who have controlled women and their money and their bodies. And it still goes on today in many countries where women are stoned or subject to 'honor' killings or forceable rapes. Women have only been able to vote for less than 100 years in this country and we should not forget how fragile that is.
There are good and kind men in this world, but my experience is that they are still outnumbered by those who still wish to control women and their bodies even if they won't say so aloud. They want to turn back the clock.
That being said, I wish every child conceived is loved and wanted. That people would return to self-control and women especially would get more common sense and values their bodies more.

~jrae-1215199

"If you are a male commenting on this issue - you have no relevance."

Uh, hate to point this out, but men get breast cancer too, and Planned Parenthood also provide services to men - 100% abortion free too.

1st-men also suffer form breast cancer, albeit much less so. 2nd, family planning is and should be a joint decision. Birth control should be a joint decision, and men are affected by abortion also. To say men have no right to comment is simply wrong.

jrae & wisepati... It's absolutely absurd that you say men should have no say abortions. I was given up for adoption by my biological parents immediately after I was born in 1980. They were in highschool and could have chosen and abortion, but didn't. Additionally, an ex-girl friend of mine found out after we split up that she was pregnant. She had an abortion against my choice. This was even after I offered to fully pay for all her medical care and adopt the baby once it was born and she would not have to worry about taking care of it or financially supporting myself or the baby at all. I told her that but killing the baby was easier for her than carrying my child for nine months. Men should have some rights in situations like this.

But did you use a condom?

Yup Yup! Yup! Got dat rite, Bubba!

Do you think allowing women to die from breast cancer because of a deliberate choice on SGK's part to deny them care could be considered murder? Why don't you and others care about life once it's born? That's what I always don't understand!

I don't think SGK is denying anybody cancer screenings, if all the people are so worried about their fellow females/males, take them to the doctor and pay for their exam, I have. It seems many people only care about others when able to with other peoples money, that is what is such a travesty here!

coloradorob1

Do you think allowing women to die from breast cancer because of a deliberate choice on SGK's part to deny them care could be considered murder? Why don't you and others care about life once it's born? That's what I always don't understand!

Uh, Komen is not deciding to deny them care. They are breaking ties with PP. They give PP a $700,000 earmark. PP will still do breast screening and all of the other things they do, because they get around $360 million each year from the federal government. Plus, as so many here are saying, their donations will now go up! So how do you get that Komen is "allowing women to die from breast cancer"? Breast cancer research is what Komen supports and what Komen DOES. They are not stopping that.

You could say the same about everyone who is saying they will pull their donation because of this. What if that donation was the one that helped find the cure?

Your statement is just incredible and makes absolutely no sense!

jrae...what about the men losing mothers, sisters, wives, daughters to breast cancer? Can they have a say.

1 But know this, that in the last days grievous times will be upon us. 2 For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, braggarts, arrogant, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 without natural feeling, unyielding, slanderers, without self-control, savage, haters of good, 4 betrayers, reckless, puffed up, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, (2 Timothy 3:1-4)

Planned Parenthood should be shut down! No Tax $ for Planned Parenthood! Planned Parenthood founded by Margaret Sanger who inspired the Nazis to create the Extermination Camps in Europe! Planned Parenthood practices genocide!

Wolf53, I think you are puffed up. And Sanger did not inspire the Nazis to do extermination camps in Germany. It was Goebell and Hitler, if you look at the history, which you obviously didn't. Genocide, by the way, is not what PP practices, Wolf. Genocide means wiping out a whole people, like they tried to wipe out Jews in Europe.

Just what we need, another self righteous, bible quoting, talking points speaking idiot who thinks they have the right to force their beliefs on everyone else. In other words, another Faux News Republican. You have the right to make a fool of yourself in this country by spouting whatever silliness you want and you have certainly exercised that right! However, do you have any idea how rediculous your posting sounds?

HS @10.2. Sanger did, however, promote Eugenics along with our old Progressive President Woodrow Wilson. Sanger's promotion of birth control was directed at "certain" populations and her motive wasn't to control the size of white families! She believed in forced sterilization for 'certain" populations. No, she wasn't a Nazi but she strongly believed and promoted methods the Nazis found desirable because they could control the growth of the "undesirables'. Anybody who thinks Margaret Sanger was some kind of saint and out for women's rights needs to read about her work. And, do a little more reading about Eugenics in the US around the early 1900s. You will be SICK to believe our country would participate in that.

@ Wolf53 you just described Newt and Cain LOL

SGK will not receive my support any more!

interesting dirt...i'll have to read up on her sometime. Thanks for the info! Honestly, she sounds like she's got some hatred there. =X

dirt--

Read? Why would half the people here want to read? They might learn something. Can't have that!

Linda exactly, just as Komen will survive because now others who support their "stance" will donate to them.

97% of Planned Parenthood funding has nothing to do with abortion services.

97%

Ninety-seven percent.

I have a sneaking suspision that Yus was being sarastic.

There really ought to be a "sarcasm" font...

3% of PP services are abortions. 15% of it's funding is for abortions. Fact check before posting please.

Please provide source of your data. Also, even if true, no federal money or Komen money pays for abortions.

I was corrected elsewhere in the thread. 0% of PP grant funding is for abortions. 3% of their operating funds, but that's made up by revenues, so it consumes none of their endowment.

+1

Nonsense. Why should an organization dedicated to saving women's lives give money to an organization that kills women?

Bill C-97% of PP's services don't have anything to do with abortion.

+ another

In 1957 my grandmother(maternal) died of cancer. Our family doctor said "just around the corner is a cure for this horrible disease." Of the 500 plus types, 370 of which are typed, the "vehicle" of movement has never been identified. No closer to cure, but prognosis is better.

Romeny donated that money to the Mormon "Church", that is NOT charity.

Lukewarm, you've been snowed under by right-wing reactionary deception. Biden's charitable donations were $5,350 last year. Still, quite a bit low, given his salary, but nowhere near the deception that you've been told and you're now peddling. Biden's days of donating $369 a year are long long gone.

bulldogboy - you hit the nail on the head: Romney's money went to his church, to promulgate his religion. Biden donates to causes to help those in need.

From what I can see, those who want to stop abortions, stop there. They don't give a darn once the baby is born. They don't care if the mom is a teen with no support or if the child is a result of rape or incest. Nope...once the child is born then well that's it. No financial support or caring. They don't support the so-called 'liberal' programs like welfare or food stamps or education. Apparently once the child is born it doesn't matter what happens. Just so the child is born. So what if the child is malnurished or abused or unwanted, at least they are alive, right? I find this to be a very twisted and small minded way of thinking, are we not to love one another?
Again my wish would be that every single baby conceived is wanted and conceived in love by parents who are totally committed to raising the child and doing whatever it takes. But that has never been and never will be as long as there is rape and incest and humans who view sex as a recreational activity.

Very well said, WisePati...and exactly what I have explained to people who ask why I have an issue with the anti-choice crowd.

so you can give more than the $400,000 "liberals" gave to PP less than 24 hrs after this decision was made public? I assume you've put that check in the mail.

humans who view sex as a recreational activity.

If we didn't ENJOY sex, we would have died out long ago.

Umm- it is a recreational activity. Sex is especially a recreational activity t o those who can't have children of their own. So what? You're going to tell married childless couples to not have that kind of recreational activity if they can't have children? WisePati, maybe you should change your online name.

This is NOT about abortion. It is IS about women dying from breast cancer. For years Kormen has shared gifts with Planned Parent to help poor women get breast exam and medical care for breast cancer. Don't let your opinion of abortion get in the way of what this is truly about...BREAST CANCER PREVENTION AND TREAMENT!!!!

WisePati~ you hit the nail on the head!! As a foster parent I'm saddened not only by the outrageous number of kids in need, but also by the seemingly underwhelming support the foster system has from the Pro-Lifers. Step up and walk-the-walk: if you're bent on telling a women she HAS to give birth even when she cannot or should not be a parent, then step up and help care for THAT child. There should be a longer list of those willing to help than of those in need.

And as many have posted before, my support for Komen has ended. There are plenty of other charities who support cancer research and treatment that I can and will support.

Alan, it is about abortion. How would you know where the money goes? Abortion is an option at PP and since most of these women going to PP are mostly likely younger than 40...they're mostly likely not getting mammograms.

Amen

I don't know why some people view PP as evil for performing a service that is not only legal, but is available to women with insurance or money at almost any other health facility. They make it sound as if PP is the only place where they are performed. Is every Ob/Gyn that works in a hospital where abortions are normal practice as well also evil? I would be willing to be that PP doesn't even perform a fraction of the total abortions in a given year. So, again, why is it just PP that is viewed as evil? Is it that you believe poor women don't deserve the same rights and services as more affluent people? BTW while it seems as though this particular incident has political implications, I don't believe that this is as much of a political issue as most people believe. There are people of all political backgrounds to have different views on this subject. But, until there is a law repealing Roe v. Wade, it is every woman's choice as to what to do with their body, given whatever circumstances, no matter waht their party affiliation.