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Subscribe to RSSThe Food and Drug administration is working to put an end to a California' man's free sperm donation operation. Trent Arsenault, who has provided more than 350 donations and fathered 14 children through them, tells KNTV's Traci Grant he's just "helping people in need."
A California man is vowing to continue his do-it-yourself sperm donor operation, despite efforts of federal health officials to crack down on the free service.
Trent C. Arsenault, 36, of Fremont, Calif., told msnbc.com that he has fathered 14 children -- with four more on the way -- and donated sperm to between 60 and 75 families since he started the online operation in 2006.
“Every time I log into Facebook, I’m overwhelmed with all the pictures from the families,” said Arsenault, who regards his donations as a way to help low-income people struggling with infertility.
Last year, federal Food and Drug Administration officials delivered a letter ordering Arsenault to “cease manufacturing,” or halt his service, because the computer security expert had not followed regulations governing safety precautions for transmission of human cells or tissues through donor clinics.
“We have legitimate concerns,” said Shelly Burgess, a spokeswoman for the FDA.
But Arsenault was allowed to continue the operation while the agency decided whether to grant him a hearing on the matter, according to his lawyers.
The lawyers, who work for the nonprofit legal firm Cause of Action in Washington, D.C., argue that Arsenault shouldn’t be held to clinic sperm donor standards because his contracts with recipients are individual intimate partner arrangements allowed under the law.
No hearing has yet been scheduled, Burgess said. Arsenault could face penalties including court action if the agency concludes that his acts were a violation of federal regulations.
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Wow! lol The gift that you can't see for 9 months...or so.
And by the looks of him, one might wish NEVER to see the "gift". I guess I always pictured donors to look more like Adonis.
The 1% didn't get their cut so no sperm for you.
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Does everything have to be regulated by our power hungry nanny state?
How much longer till they regulate everything?
Millions of people are sperm donors every year. They are called Dads.
We have consenting adults here. Everyone knows what they are getting into, just like when people have sex and make kids.
There is simply no difference other than the device used to get the sperm to the egg. Tell me what risk is higher by this guy donating the sperm and just doing it with a lady and donating sperm?
The Federal Gov't doubled in size in the last 10 years. And our country is much worse off because of it. They can't pay their bills and borrow money from China to spend on regulations like this.
It's time we regulate the Gov't.
Please choose wisely next November - we tried big unlimited Gov't and it failed - only a moron doubles down on a losing bet.
UnitedStates1776...what the hell does that have to do with anything?
Wonder how nature transferred human cells when we didn't have the fda or 5000 years ago when we didn't have 'modern' (alopathic) medicine. Next, fda will tell me that me and my wife can not have sex because there is no clinic middleman involved.
Since when is the Food and Drug Administration in control of my bodily secretions? I wasn't aware that my semen had any nutritional value, nor was I aware of its properties as a drug. I know that one of the arguments against the legalization of pot is that it is a non-processed plant which has not been produced by a laboratory under controlled conditions, which is ridiculous, but to ascribe the same standards to my toss-offs is the ultimate height of governmental overreaching. What's next, having to fill out an environmental impact statement every time I pass gas?
eric60watts
UnitedStates1776...what the hell does that have to do with anything?
I would say what he is getting at is the medical community couldn't get a cut of a doner clinic for him. How much does a sperm bank charge for sperm and what do they do for that? How much does the CEO of a sperm clinic charge for something they get for free?
Hmmm.... "individual intimate partner arrangements" suggests that his donation is not being, ahem, injected using any clinical equipment ala in-vitro fertilization... no, no... this sounds like he's using the old fashioned "organic syringe"... No wonder he wants to keep up his operation.
Ha Ha - you said "keep up" his operation
I don't FN believe it ! Don't tell me LOW INCOME people get my tax dollars for in-vetro fertilization now ???!!!! This jerk donates the sperm , but that ain't the expensive part ! If you want more of this or things like this VOTE OBAMA he's every-bodies SUGAR DADDY !!!
But what happens if this guy has physical relations with the wrong individual during his personal time and ends up with an STD? With no regulations of any kind, he is sending out little vials of his personal epidemic starter. What happens to all those happy couples who now have an STD? What if they do not have insurance? Sure, you could argue that it is no different then him sleeping around with all of these women, so who cares? Fair enough. But chances are he would not have that option in real life. In real life he would likely not have fathered 14 kids by sleeping with 14 women. There are perceptions people have about what could be thought of a medical situation -- mostly that it is safe -- that people desperate to have a baby on the cheap wouldn't think much about. Sure, you could say it is their own fault if they contract something this way, so who cares? But I'd argue you heartless if you think that way. This man may or may not be doing this for the "right" reasons, but there plenty of unscrupulous people who will take advantage of desperate people if they are allowed to. Maybe the current regulatory systems need to be revised to accommodate this man's actions (I don't know enough to say this is the case, but am willing to conceed additional information might point in that direction), but there is a reason for such regulations and they should not be done away with entirely.
Isn't it better to have some public/consumer safety guards in place on the front-end, rather than always waiting to clean up the mess after bad things are allowed to happen? No society ever has been without safeguards to protect their members -- it is part of living in a community. Regulations are the way we as a society attempt to protect our members. the system may need work, but don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
I've donated way more than my share.
WMG - In the banking industry it's called direct deposit!
Donating gives you such a good feeling, especially this time of year. Merry Christmas!
Hey saddened, if he contracted an std, the same thing would happen as if he had face to face relations with the women. The only difference would be that it would not have as much of an emotional impact on them. Sometimes taking away people's rights under the guise of protecting them from themselves does more harm than whatever they are being protected from. Take for examples, witchcraft, the inquisition, or the war on drug users; even the war on terror depending on how you feel about the patriot act and other means of removing personal freedoms and the right to a fair trial. Some people feel safer being watched/spied on, while for others this notion is crippling.
Dbl pst
@ KiloByte1339 Not being able to afford the usual method is not the same as being on welfare. In my neck of the woods it cost $10,000 for invitro with your husbands sperm. If you need a donor's sperm the price goes up. and Usually it doesn't take the first time so you have to go through it a few more times and hope that it takes before you run out of money.
I am one of those people who can't afford the usual method and I am not a welfare mom but I do fall in the median range of $50,000 a year. For me I would have to take out a loan or recieve a grant (for which I have applied and am waiting on a reply) to have a baby. A grant only pays for 1 round of treatment. So if it doesn't take I can't apply for another grant.
I suspect that, since he provides it for free, the government has no right to interfere.
Typical government bureaucracy - 'It's not OK until the government says it's OK'.
And, of course, you have to pay lots of fees, fill out tons of paperwork, and have the 'premises' inspected. Life always gets complicated when the government gets involved.
what would be wrong with banning him from doing it because he is adding ot the poverty in america by giving more children to the poor? I sure wish everyone had to apply to be a parent like a foster parent does.
Does everything have to be regulated by our power hungry nanny state?
How much longer till they regulate everything?
Millions of people are sperm donors every year. They are called Dads.
We have consenting adults here. Everyone knows what they are getting into, just like when people have sex and make kids.
There is simply no difference other than the device used to get the sperm to the egg. Tell me what risk is higher by this guy donating the sperm and just doing it with a lady and donating sperm?
The Federal Gov't doubled in size in the last 10 years. And our country is much worse off because of it. They can't pay their bills and borrow money from China to spend on regulations like this.
It's time we regulate the Gov't.
Please choose wisely next November - we tried big unlimited Gov't and it failed - only a moron doubles down on a losing bet.
@ Echols1
If you make $50k a year you are not considered low income.
@Echols1:
It sounds like you have a good head on your shoulders, and you say you make $50k a year, so why don't you adopt? There are thousands of children out there who need a home, through no fault of their own, and if you go through the foster child process, it is often free. If you are simply holding out for a child of your own flesh-and-blood, then you are just being selfish. Are you one of those types of people who complains about paying $1200 for a purebred dog, or are you one that would go to the dog pound and adopt a lifelong friend for $50?
OMG Dont the mothers get to see a picture of the donor.
Its his only chance, I thought he was supposed to go blind not the women.
Ugly people often have beautiful babies. Einstein was no looker, either.
Quite frankly it's none of the govt's buisness. I personally would want proof of recent STD testing, but if he's providing that who cares. And BTW the old fashioned way isn't the only way to do it. I watched a show where they took donated spern and put it into a serringe and injected it into just the right location (obviously they did alot of research) and then had a period of time where she had to lay with her lower half elevated, just as you would in a Dr's office. She then got pregnant. So, no, the govt isn't paying for the proceedure. These people are probably doing it on their own... for free.
Dude could probably circumvent federal oversight by "injecting" the donation directly from his penis into the clients vagina via "consensual" sex; instead of jerking off in a specimen jar. Of course this would introduce an even more intimate situation then he alludes to in the video, but this method would certainly not require "federal regulation."
I guess it could be construed as prostitution, especially if money is involved, but I agree with many commenters that our government is simply out of control (because they want to control everything).
If I had known there might be a market like this for sperm I may have put off my vasectomy!
The only problem is you cant tax FREE. But the federal government can TAX for profit insurers and clinics. Thats the only reason he is being looked at.
Oh and having sex in some states is against the law. If you are not Married Like VA. Maybe we should fix some dumb laws before trying to go after this guy. They wont enforce it here in CA
@joeyfromcali
I get it, but that's a bunch of crap on having pre or extramarital sex.......how draconian.
At my age, and as often as I get to make "deposits" with my spouse nowadays, I would be inclined to do it as a service to my "fellow woman" and not charge anything. :)
@Saddened:
Independence, common sense and a healthy dose of skepticism in regards to the government used to be the hallmark of the American citizen. Every time we allow another regulation to go unchecked, we chip away at the very freedoms our forefathers fought and died for and passed on to us to continue the fight. It is a simple fact that the more power a government has to regulate the day-to-day affairs of its citizens, the less freedom those citizens enjoy.
Europe experimented with socialist programs, which bankrupted them both financially and morally. Look at how the bloated governments of Spain, Greece, Portugal and Ireland have brought the EU to its knees. Or how the sheer numbers of people on the public dole in England have nearly destroyed their economy. Now, as we are heading down that same road in the name of compassion for our poorest citizens, they are both alarmed and amused. Alarmed because we are throwing away the power and influence that a free-market capitalist economy brought us, and amused because we are so short-sighted that we cannot even look at their example of what happens when the government gets too big.
Ryan; guess where the vast majority of government growth has occurred? Security sector ring a bell - still think 9-11 was 15 Muslims waging war against Jesus? The money trail points directly to Cheney and Rumsfeld and their ilk....Private contractors got and still get BILLIONS a year. The government under Bush set up so many agencies that all do the same thing so we couldn't keep track of who is getting what. The government didn't add more social services (been to the MVD lately), they didn't add more child protection (that's been drastically cut), they didn't add new schools and libraries and fire stations. The recent surge in regulations is an attempt to find where all those hidden Bush agencies are hiding and stealing us blind.
Nice hi-jack (again) by the Right - always so angry, they turn every thread into the same 3 complaints.
Can we get Kilo a personality for Christmas.....sperm hater...lol.
The guy looks kind of like a wacko, or maybe a whacker.
NeighborOfTheBeast
When the sperm donor clinics asked Einstein if he would be willing to donate he replied: "I'd rather do it the old fashioned way."
This is just another example of the government trying to protect the profitability of the organizations that they can control. The government- sanctioned fertility clinics are subject to certain "standards" which the gov't dictates. The government is trying to regulate an individual from making a contribution to another without going through the physical act. However, another agency of the gov't supports and encourages people to procreate recklessly by increasing welfare payments, food stamps, child health care, etc. to the baby mommas. They have yet to cap subsudizing indiscriminate free-lance intercourse since it would violate their civil rights.
I can understand how the pay-to-be-a-parent clinics could be concerned. Here is someone providing free services that they are trying to market. This is very similar to a whore trying to ply her trade in a college town - trying to sell services that there are so many willingly giving it away for free.
He didn't learn from his mother that one should not give away what they can sell. When he decides to change his business strategy and start marketing to those that can afford to pay maybe that is when the gov't should have some voice. The samples being donated should not be tested while the samples being sold should.
Just exactly HOW does he give his donations? Article was rather vague about that.
Restored a lot of comments that were kinda political but actually about the article. Not KiloByte1339's. Banned. Just trolling. Terrible comment and suspension history. We probably gave them too many chances.
DIY Sperm Donor? He must have hairy palms!
It's also a miracle that he hasn't gone blind yet!
" Food and Drug Administration officials delivered a letter ordering Arsenault to “cease manufacturing,”....
The FDA can order his balls to cease manufacturing sperm? LOL
Now there's a job you can get a handle on!
When the boss tells you to get a grip he means it!
Get ahold of yourself man! That's exactly what he's doing.
ROTFLMFAOPMP!!!!! Tooooo funny!!! Thanks for making my day, y'all!
ladies...my splotch is also all you can...FREE!!!! but you have to cum and get IT.
Son! I told you to stop doing that, you'll go blind! Um I'm over here dad.
Self Employed...that's an entrepeneur!
I've heard his favorite band is The Offspring.
What hairy palms - he keeps it rubbed off.
Now that he is needing glasses he is cutting back on his donations.
Maybe he should heed gov't advice and get their authorization. By doing so he could file for workers comp because of going blind, tennis elbow, carpal tunnel, and a myriad of other possible job-related injuries.
My first reaction to this was "DIY sperm donation? As opposed to having somebody else do it for you?"
MSDNC: Please excuse me for a sec, while I clean up the beverage I was drinking when I read your post. Dude, it's all over my screen and dripping out my nose.
that was funny. thanks. needed a laugh today.
LOL. I was wondering if this guy was having sex with other men's wives. Now that's marketing!
Bowman: I think that the section of the article I highlighted at comment #1.9 makes it pretty clear what's going on...
Aint' like baseball where you can get a pinch hitter to bat for you.
As the biological donor, he should at least be available should the children want to know who their biological father is. I know I would totally feel incomplete without that knowledge... On a side note however, he should totally work on a payment plan to make sure he stays up to date on those child support payments! Is this what the world is coming to in order for the father to weasel out of his biological obligations to his offspring?
Breaking out the roflcopter. Oh, context, you a funny thing!
"Food and Drug Administration officials delivered a letter ordering Arsenault to “cease manufacturing""
-_-
...how does a guy go about that anyway?
All I can say is that the government has a lot of balls telling others what to do with theirs.
Yep they were the ones who invented and created HIV (Re: Robert Gallo in Youtube.com) and then blamed it on sex with monkeys...and now have the nerve to tell him to STOP??? like they have the morals....go figure....
He claims he is helping low income people, if they are low income they don't need the expense of children not till they become financially responsible, besides he doesn't look very intelligent, probably turn out some questionable offspring. not very good looking ether. I say if he keeps it up neuter him. and he can still play with himself if all he wants to, just won't be polluting the gene pool any farther. all I can say is yuk.
D Buck 2239568
The article says he is a computer expert, that takes some brains. What do you do for a living and how many offspring can you account for?
The FDA can't keep us from getting contaminated food or do a proper job of accesssing the medications we take but they have time to pick on one little dude doing agreements with other consenting adults. Go figure, what a bunch of losers we have in Washington at the moment. Time to clean it out and go back to power to the states.
And FYI, the low income people who can't afford clinics are many because it cost thousands of dollars each try in addition to the very expensive medications one has to take and to get doner sperm can cost thousands more. Adoption isn't in the cards for most because it too costs 15 - 20 THOUSAND dollars. All the while kids suffer in the state custody in foster care. Go figure! I say anything is better leaving the government out of it.
Shaking my head, I think you're missing D Buck's point, which is, if you can't feed 'em and can't breed 'em, you don't need 'em. If these people can't afford a couple grand for fertility treatments or an adoption, how are they going to afford to care for the children they create via Mr. Arsenault? Food stamps? Medicaid? Welfare? Free school lunches? Yeah, that's just what we need in this country, more people suckling from the government teat. What happens when the kid gets sick or breaks an arm and they can't afford the hospital bill? Ever wonder why health care in this country costs so much?
I agree that the government should stay out of the business of two consenting adults; however, "Shakingmyhead" your figures are way off. Donor sperm through a reputable clinic costs about $250 per try if you inject the sperm yourself and about $350 per try if you allow a doctor to inject it. Anyone who can't afford $250 to $350 per month should not be having kids as they cost alot more than that, but I do not blame anyone for wanting to save their money and use sperm freely given.
As for adoption, it only costs 15 to 20 thousand if you adopt privately. There are thousands of great kids just waiting for homes in the foster care system and it is generally free to adopt them. In fact, in many cases, the government pays you to adopt foster kids! I adopted 3 healthy newborns through foster care, and not only did it not cost me a dime, I received over $39,000 in refundable adoption tax credits and will continue to receive free medical insurance and $606 per month per child ($1,818 per month total for 3 children) in adoption assistance payments until they reach age 18. I wish more people would realize what a wonderful option foster care adoption is so that so many kids wouldn't have to wait years (if ever) for a forever family.
So you're cool with this guy selling bodily fluids for profit with no oversight, but you demonize a corporate entity try to do the same thing....
If you're in favor of regs in the medical industry (which this is a part of) then you should be in favor of said regs being applied evenly and enforced appropriately. If not, then continue allowing this guy to sell his semen without any regulation, but you have no leg to stand on when companies do the same thing.
Shacking your head,Three ranging from 31 to 43, I work for GE, I install Jet engines at power plants ( Millwright/Turbine Specialist ) Stop being so serious, the world is over populated and he is not doing mankind any favors by trying to be a one man operation, there is something sick about his operation, and I don't think it is right that he should operate the way he does. right wrong or indifferent we have government controls for a reason. I do share one opinion with you, I believe in small Government. just not people single handily trying to repopulate the world, the guy is a gene freak he wants his gene out there. he does not want the responsibly.
Neighborof...,Hey now, I may not have a few extra grands laying around to utilize artificial insemination or medical procedures of the like thereof, but, that doesn't mean I can't afford to raise my children. Last people I knew to take advantage of such procedures paid about thirty thousand dollars, anyway. Not everyone is rich, but, that doesn't mean they wouldn't be able to afford raising children and it certainly doesn't mean they wouldn't be good parents or Any of your tactful stereotypes.
Tish Robbins - you have to be pretty boneheaded to think that the method of insemination will work for everyone.
@Shannon78:
last time I heard the figures, which was years ago, it was estimated that the cost of raising a child from birth to 18 years was a quarter of a million dollars. Many people will not earn that much in a lifetime, let alone in the two decades a child is under their roof, so who do they turn to when they need more than what they can provide? It used to be exrended family or perhaps their church, but with the majority of families now being classified as disfunctional and the government taking over every aspect of our daily lives, it bears asking the question: Who is going to pay for all of this?
@jlaiz77 Please share with us your research and findings on the FDA's invention of HIV. That is if you can concentrate on typing with those black helicopters flying over your Mom's house. Or maybe your aluminum foil hat is on just a bit too snug.
Neighborofthebeast: Couple Grand my azz! It's 10k for the treatment another 2-3k for the drugs. That's for 1 one uno round of treatment! So that person is out of 12-13k with no guarantee of a positive outcome. In what other industry do you pay that kind of money and don't get what you paid for?
And for your information it's the 99% who can't afford to do this. Many save for years for 1 round of treatment and if that fails they mortgage their houses. Most states don't cover fertility treatments under insurance. Most jobs don't offer it as a part of insurance and most people can't afford it outside of insurance. Fertility grants is like the lottery (there are so many playing that your chances of winning are more like 1 in 100,000).
Be a little more sensitive to the plight of the people who want children and can't have them.
Hey, this guy is giving the sperm for FREE--one of the reasons the FDA is having difficulty wrangling this bull in their arena! If he were selling it, the issue would be launched more easily into their jurisdiction--so to speak.
I would bet the majority of parents out there can't "afford" to have children. We can not possibly be prepared for every potential expense and kids always cost more than we think. Some of this country's greatest contributions have been from individuals of very humble origins.
I love how some of these opinions make the assumption that those seeking this man's "services" are suckling at the welfare teat and are looking for more income! Gimme a break! Many a worthy individual is turned away from fertility treatment due to issues that are of greater consequence to the healthcare providers than the patient. As long as the participants are competent to sign the contract, I don't see why the government should be involved at all. They haven't tried to regulate products of conception between other willing participants outside of a doctor's office. Shades of Demolition Man! I say minimize the use of petri dishes!
@Echols1:
At what point do you stop being "poor"? $50k? $75k? $100k? The poverty line is about half what you make in a year, and yet, after 20+ years in the workforce, I'm still trying to get UP to that level. If you really feel the need to raise a child, adopt one. The only one keeping you from having a child to raise is you and your stubborn insistence on only having one that YOU created.
There are very serious health issues connected to this Do It Yourself by a Loose Cannon (no pun intended). What controls on his DNA or disease info? This is ethically very challenging.
Tisha - Of those thousands in foster homes, how many would you guess were the result of unregulated sperm donations? Why try to regulate this one particular donor?
GeorgeLC - How many other consenting adults are tested before and after copulating? The only ethics to be challenged are those of the involved parties. The government can't control the ethics of its own members and yet they want to control the ethics of others?
He'll have to change his business model and stand on a street corner with a sign: "Stud Service" - will work for free.... god bless.
Well, actually, why couldn't he advertise his service, then avoid the sperm bank and do personal delivery. Traveling sperm bank donation, delivered to your door. Reasonable rates.... hey, that might catch on. Add on's could be wine and nice mood music.
Sure does beat buffing the musket into a cup, eeh?
Then he could charge a stud fee on top of the sperm fee. Hey, works for horse breeders!
Its a possibility that If they are Lesbians they don't want stud service they just want sperm, otherwise they could just go out and pick one. donors are all over the place, where have you people been. Since he is helping the poor have babies does that mean he gets to pay the child support as well.
D Buck: You're absolutely ignorant to infer from this article that the families he contracts his service with receive child support. Being low income does not equal receiving child support. Are you awake when you write this stuff?
Also: "He doesn't look very intelligent." Nice. Real intelligent remark.
StateAtty,
Well let's just say the picture does not make you think of someone like Einstein.
The more weird the person the more they are in there with every weird cause. This is so disturbing, in so many levels.
StateAtty -Better to be a little ignorant than completely stupid. besides you don't know jack about those people, they stand the same chance as anyone in low income to wind up on assistance. just like you.
48% of Americans are now recieving some kind of food assisstance, the same percentage of Americans who pay no federal income taxes at all, yet use up the vast majority of the social welfare programs available today. If they can't even feed themselves, then why should they have kids? A hundred years ago, we needed lots of kids to help out on the farm, but in today's world, having a child is an option, not a necessity.
Now, I love kids, and I think that anyone who wants to raise one and has the means to do so should have that opportunity, but not at my expense. I am childless by choice. I might make a good dad, but I can barely afford to feed myself and my dog.
Americans should think long and hard about the responsibilities of raising a child, morally, financially and every other which way. Too often, kids are the by-product of irresponsible people who can't even care for themselves, or pawns to be used in a disfunctional relationship.
D Buck - That brings back memories of a lesbian contracting firm:
Tongue-n-Groove Construction: Not a stud in the place. We nail ourselves.
The DIY term is quite misleading here; it should have been called multiple sperm donor by one man. Also he wasn't engaging in a sexual nature with these women. He most likely do not have to provide child support for these children.
Hey, if the allegedly anonymous sperm donors at the clinics can be sued for paternity, and they have, then there is no reason to believe that one or more of these mothers will not go after Mr. Arsenault for child support, as well. Especially if he is able to parlay his computer knowledge into a successful career. There's an ambulance-chasing lawyer out there right now reading this story licking his/her chops at the prospect of doing just that, mark my words.
Last I checked (which was several years ago), in California a known sperm donor can be held responsible for child support (and seek visitation or custody) if the sperm was injected into the woman herself at home, but not if done by a doctor in a clinic. So for his protection, I hope all these woman used the services of a doctor to insert the sperm.
Then, Clark, just like every man who cries about having to pay child support, he should have kept it in his pants! If you do that, no unwanted babies/children. Period. I have no sympathy for men paying child support for the children they helped create. It's just a shame it takes the court system to make them take responsibility. I don't care if the evil mother of your child "tricked" you by lying about being on the pill or whatever excuse offered -- if your sperm got into a woman through a voluntary act, you are as responsible for the creation of that child as she is. And if that means paying support even after you've decided you don't like the child or the woman anymore, tough $#!t.
Legitimate, legal sperm donation (with its accompanying legally binding agreements, etc, agreed upon by all parties) is a separate issue here.
Did he actually say there are beds in there?
Hmmm--if he were to have sex with all the women, that would be allowed, but he can't send them sperm?
Bart, did you look at his residence? It's unclean, so is he unclean also? I'd dare say his is.
Plus he even look's creepy.
Allison - You must be very "old school". Since when did a messy house promote STDs? You have to be from the age of "I got pregnant from a dirty toilet seat".
But The Thinker, women are concerned about cleanliness and rightly so.
Agreed. However, that is quite jump from being untidy to contageous.
Low income families NEED more children? What if some of these kids grow up in the same general area, meet 20 years from now and have children of their own? Inbreeding without awareness is still dangerous.
@katydiogenes
My thoughts about low income families needing more children exactly.
My thoughts too Katie. What's to prevent half siblings from this "donor" meeting, falling in love, and procreating? Do they still require blood tests for marriage licenses? Sounds like the Feds will have to screen for couples who have nearly identical DNA.
All low income has to mean in this case is not being able to throw tens of thousands of dollars into this. It could be a couple earning $30,000 a year who want one child. Not unreasonable.
LOL they need to keep the supply of democrat voters up to snuff I guess.
As opposed to inbreeding with awareness
Katy M: Thank you.
The rest of you: If you're concerned with the expanding birth rates amongst our lower income earners (which you should be) why not support sex ed or condom donation programs or birth control? Things DIRECTED at reducing this expansion.
The ability of conservatives to ignore factual evidence astounds me.
Spoken like a true eugenicist. Where is your pedigree?
@Katy M & StateAtty, the article itself states that he is doing this service for "low income families". The ability of liberals to twist facts to suit their own agendas never ceases to amaze me. If low income to you means that they cannot afford a 20k fee for a clinical in-vitro fertilization, then the middle class just got reduced considerably. I wholeheartedly agree with supporting sex ed and condom donation to reduce the ever growing birth rates of our low income citizens, but as long as we continue to operate a welfare state for these people, they will continue to breed prolifically, without need of the services of the young man in question.
katydiogenes,
If you make $30K a year, it would take quite a while to save up $20K for in vitro treatments. And believe me, nobody who knows me considers me liberal.
UncleDad? Is that You? Seriously, we are overpopulated but no want wants to admit it. Oooh I can almost smell the basic human rights comments wafting under the door. I'll try to preempt them:everyone wants rights but not the responsibilities. Like not being able to even afford to raise a child properly but doing it anyway because you believe you absolutely have to. Guess what: no you don't have to. Your life can be just a fulfilling and then some without raising children. But if you should decide to have them, ask yourself if you're really doing it for the right reason. Not something like "my parents want grandchildren" or you believe you need a living accessory just to fit in with society or your friends. Don't take anyones pressure and don't feed into your ego as your ego is just a parasite and not your true self. Good enough. Let the comments fall where they may. This conversation will always end up in a stalemate.
katy & JS - He is "advertising" over the net. I'm guessing that the service reaches farther than his local 'hood. There is still such a remote possibility that they could be related it would not create a great concern. Were you given DNA tests before being allowed to get laid? After all, you could have enjoyed your own cousin!
Ha ha. Good point katydiogenes about meeting each other in 20 years. The thought never occurred to me. Maybe not likely but something to consider.
America. Land of the free. Where consenting adults are forbidden to reproduce as they see fit.
Wow....certainly doesn't look like anyone I'd want to father my child! If you can't have kids "the old fashioned way", you weren't meant to be a parent. Geez, there's already too many people in this screwed up World!
Really? - If you can't have kids the old fashioned way then you weren't meant to be a parent? That's pretty cold. Tell that to all the infertile couples who long to have a child. So I suppose maybe if you can't see well without glasses or contacts you weren't meant to be able to read either!?!
I completely agree with Tired of all the hypocrits...Diane-727874 you are cold to say that. I would never wish the struggle of making a family on anyone if they really want to be parents. My best friend is going through that right now and her and her husband would make great parents.
WOW what an awful statement! Just because you suffer from infertility doesn't mean that you wouldn't be a great parent. Parenting is about teaching children so that they learn about the world and can become productive members of society. Has nothing to do with if your body allows it or not. Case and point- myself. My Mom and Dad tried for 3 years to have me. Finally they went to a clinic where they found out my dad had a UTI he hadn't known about all that time. He got on meds and BOOM shortly after there I was. If they had just given up, I would've never been born.
"If you can't have kids "the old fashioned way", you weren't meant to be a parent" you have to be kidding me, obviously you have no sympathy for couples struggling with infertility! We went through several rounds of fertility drugs to have our two biological children. We then opted to adopt a sibling group of three from the U.S. foster care system. Just because our children were not made "the old fashioned way" doesn't mean we weren't meant to be parents! Nor does it take away our ability to parent! Like I tell my children that I WAS meant to parent, think the next time before you speak and in your case type....
there are hundreds of thousands of people who are NOT meant to be parents, and reproduce once per calendar year. Lets not forget the most famous mom of the year, Casey Anthony. She was meant to be a parent?
So, if your sperm can fertilize an egg - that qualifies you to be a parent?
My husband is unable to genetically have children and we found to many issues with adopting. So, we used a sperm bank. We have a house in the suburbs, 2 dogs and a big yard. We are college educated and both of us have good jobs in the human services industry because we believe in helping mankind. My husband is the best father that I have ever seen. Our daughter is very loved and wanted. (Besides being smart, beautiful and funny.) In fact – I believe that we are pretty good parents. And a big contributor to our skills is how hard we worked for it.
This is a "sick" guy in many area's of his life. #1 GET a girlfriend or get married #2 he'd have to CLEAN his house 1st before he could meet a nice girl. Cluttered house...lord knows how long his sperm has been in a pill bottle. #3 where does he store his sperm in the frig with what else in it? It all makes me as a woman shudder to think about the different possibilities going on there!
Supreme arrogance. He should be ashamed of himself.
That sounds painful.
Well, I'd sure like to hear them, because I'm not understanding why this guy is in trouble.
Well... you know... less people would pay fertility doctors if they could freely get a vial from a close friend they perceive to have good genetics. That's clearly dangerous and we can't allow it! :)
I agree, I was hoping they'd list these "concerns" as the article progressed, but no.
Front page today of my local paper is the story on the feds sticking their noses into ("advising" states to) create legislation to outlaw cell-phone usage, hands-free or not, while driving because it is "too dangerous".
This is one screwed up world right now. At this point, I'm thinking of all the alternatives to voting at all in 2012.
How badly do POOR people need to increase the populations of their families?
Procreation should NOT be a right when you can't pay your own bills with your own money.
BLueDevilBasher
It seems perfectly acceptable in our society for welfare receipants to "have a right to have children". So why shouldn't those working people who can't afford the 10s of thousands for fertility clinics or adoption have the same right?
I find it a bit odd that there are no legal health concerns about people going out into bars and reproducing with people who have been who knows where, but there are health concerns about this.
They said low income. Not poor. There's a difference. A low income family may have a small ranch house, one car, with just one kid, and get by just fine.
BlueDevil - MORALLY POOR people like yourself should not be allowed to proccreate. If we castrated all the men that think like you, we might have human equality, and their WOULD BE no more poor people.
What are their requirements to getting into the "Jizz Biz"
NV dan ...
Exactly. And to think I've been throwing it away all of these years. If I were paid for every 'donation' at a licensed fertility clinic I surely would have been driving a Lamborghini by now! :-)
Peace
The government has absolutely no right to say a word about this. I don't agree with any of it but it is not mine to say. You don't have to have low income or be infurtle. What if you want to have a child but are not interesting in involving a man? Why pay thousands of dollars? It is unbelievable that the government is trying to interfere with anything a person does with their private parts.
Exactly. I don't agree with in vitro because I feel like it's playing God. However, that's my opinion. The government hasn't outlawed it (nor do I even necessarily think they should) and this guy, as far as I can tell, isn't charging any money. It would be perfectly acceptable legally for him to go and sleep with all these women, but not to give them his sperm. It's ridiculous.
Melba Voneye most likely the government is worried about the support of these offspring if this "deal" doesn't work out. This man doesn't look like he could support 50 children.
I think it is amusing that sperm banks in this country are regulated by the FDA. Is sperm a food or a drug?
Guess some people will have to add in "I did not swallow along with I did not inhale"
The answer to your question is, yes. It's both. Studies have shown that women who are regularly exposed to semen have lower levels of depression, and women who regularly ingest semen have lower incidents of breast cancer (fellas, that's a much more compelling argument than the "I have a cure for your sore throat" offers I got in high school). It's also packed with protein and carbohydrates. So it's a drug AND a food. Taa daa!
@ rseimone-2140746
Thank you for that very informative information. BTY, doing anything later?? ;-)
Food if swallowed, drug if otherwise injected?
"... Is sperm a food or a drug?"
Relax, it's a floor wax and a dessert topping! : )
Good question, but then since when does anything in this power hungry government have to make sense.
I'm going to say it's a drug, because this guy is obviously addicted to jerking off!
lmfao!!!!!
What's the difference between sleeping with 14 women, or however many, or giving the women his sperm to create 14 children?
The former sounds like much more fun (as well as more headaches).
I watched a show on this, he was one of the profiled people. This is the MO on most of these private donors. They are found on underground websites usually that match people together, using some catch phrases that indicate there business. The donor and recipient meet discuss terms and a date on which to donate. These donations take place at homes and even businesses. The donor will relieve himself into a cervical cup that is then taken by the recipient and inserted. In this show they said that this was done by one individual at a starbucks bathroom. Crazy I know, the issue with this guy is that he has been given many warnings about his business as it is not ran under a health department permit and various other legalities. After watching this show I am alittle more leary about public restrooms.
So, somewhere is a child called Starbuck?
Cease manufacturing! LOL!
Did you stop to think that its FREE and that sperm bank make money off this>
Beats spilling it on the ground... or in a condom.
The cease manufacturing order does not make sense, it should be a cease distribution order that was issued
Shouldn't there be a limit on the number of donations one person makes?
Every donation increases the chance of incestuous relationships in the future.
Well, dragonslayer, then the Duggars and their likes should be banned from having more children
No more so than closed adoptions - where a boy could end up having sex with and marrying his sister. No law should prevent a child from learning who his/her biological parents and any brothers and sisters are at the age of eighteen or even younger since teens are having sex at much younger ages today.
Many don't want that to happen because some adopted children are from incest with a parent - but - that should not keep everyone from that information.
Is there a limit on how many women you can knock up the old-fashioned way?
Scott- don't even get me started on the Duggars. That is just total lack of common sense. Loved that comment! hahah Lok if this guy is helping not horribly wealthy couples have the kids they want than fine. They are responsible in making the decision. Low income does not mean they are on the dole. Just means maybe they are middle class and don't have loss of extra resources, and the money can go to get ready for the kid and not having lining someone elses pockets. There are alot of young men out there fathering many children and denying them when these young women aer expecting them to pay and help raise the kid. And they are the ones on the dole. Watch Maurry sometime..... and I meet lots of people that are extremely less than intellegent and they breed all the time.
Yes, Katy M its called your wallet.
Oh Dear... Where to begin... "cease manufacturing?" I think that's gonna happen no matter what the feds say-unless Uncle Sam has some tighty whitey's for him. But really DIY Sperm Donor... Isn't that what you call sex??
Apparently one needs much larger pockets to purchase the FDA's approval. Maybe he could consult Monsanto and see how much buying a governmental regulatory agency really costs.
Well there is probably more than the FDA. Seems like the payroll for payoffs gets larger every day!
I don't get it. You are talking about payoffs when the Federal Government is doing the job the previous Administration didn't. Instead of shaking people in business or the rich down for campaign contributions in exchange for entitlement they shake We The People down. I am totally in aw of the way President Obama has allowed Federal watchdog agencies to do their rightful jobs. Unlike the Neoclowns they do not shake businesses down. It prefers to keep them honest and protect USofA. (US OF AMERICA)
Obama is a corperate lawyer Really is everybody sleeping.